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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 18 2008, 04:42 PM (563 Views) | |
| Avsfreak | Oct 18 2008, 04:42 PM Post #1 |
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so who'll it be. barack attack obiden or McCain and McMilf? vote and then post why. lets have a good discussion! and no i don't really think she is hot.... |
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| SsaSnakebite | Oct 18 2008, 05:19 PM Post #2 |
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In my opinion, it's not a choice of who is good to be a president. For me, it is a choosing the lesser of two evils, the lesser being Obama and Biden. McCain said in a recent debate, If you wanted to run against Bush, you should have ran 4 years ago, because Obama keeps bringing up how McCain has the same ideas and policies of Bush. Regardless if he isn't Bush, it's the same Republican party, and it's will probably be similar policies, and see where those have gotten us? I simply think that Obama is the better choice. Not a good choice, but a better one. |
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| Matt | Oct 18 2008, 05:33 PM Post #3 |
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| Avsfreak | Oct 18 2008, 07:37 PM Post #4 |
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why matt? |
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| McNednarb | Oct 19 2008, 01:48 AM Post #5 |
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I don't see voting for a liberal supermajority as the better choice. Now before anybody jumps on me, I believe that any party dominating Washington is a problem. I'll be using my vote to try and maintain restraining power. Obviously I'm voting for Sen. McCain, let me tell you why besides my reason above. I agree that change is necessary in Washington, but it needs to be a moderate change. I fail to see how change will be brought along by a man who has voted with his liberal party 96% of the time during his term. The "McCain has voted with Pres. Bush 90% of the time" has gotten old quick. The facts: McCain has voted along party lines 81% of the time during the Bush administration. Now lord knows I'm not saying McCain will bring change... I'll just throw out the facts when people say we're looking at more of the same with McCain at the helm. If McCain loses the election, it will be because of the nomination of Gov. Palin for the Vice Presidential bid. I don't think she was a horrible choice, just not the right choice now with the turn the economy has taken. Romney would have been a good pick, but I preferred Lieberman. A McCain-Lieberman ticket would have been tremendous, thank the conservative base for it not happening. :coffee2: |
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| Matt | Oct 19 2008, 02:37 AM Post #6 |
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Halo, you are correct. When George Washington left the office he gave a great farewell address that the other founders of America should have really listened to. On the political party system: He warns that "It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another." He also warned against an over-powerful military establishment which we most definitely have. I think we should abolish the party system totally and have a Republic like in Ancient Rome. Or at least have more than 2-party system. Edited by Matt, Oct 19 2008, 03:15 AM.
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| Avsfreak | Oct 19 2008, 04:13 AM Post #7 |
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Halo- Would you agree to the statment that Bush hasn't been a good president? Matt- I agree that we need to abolish partisism. It only distracts from the true values of the individual canidates. The early Roman republic had numerous flaws however. One of the biggest being taxation without representation. The plebians (Roman middle class) had no one to represent them in the government (the two censors were Patricians (Roman wealthy class) and the senate and the Assembly of 300 was made up of Patricians) however the Plebs still had to pay taxes. A major flaw with the later day Roman Republic was the fact that specific classes of society had control of the military, which led to Rome becoming an empire and abolishing the republic ideals all together. |
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| Matt | Oct 19 2008, 05:42 AM Post #8 |
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I wouldn't mind seeing another empire. And maybe we should destroy all of our guns and explosives and nukes and crap and go back to the cool way of fighting.............on giant elephants with spears and swords. Edited by Matt, Oct 19 2008, 05:43 AM.
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| McNednarb | Oct 19 2008, 02:27 PM Post #9 |
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Of course I would agree that Pres. Bush hasn't the best of jobs. That doesn't mean I'm going to jump on the "I blame Bush for everything" wagon. Poor decisions were made throughout Washington, just not in the White House. It is my opinion that the people of this country, by their greed and lack of accountability, have led us down these bad paths. A reform at the top also calls for a reform at the bottom. |
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| Sholto Pinly | Oct 19 2008, 09:35 PM Post #10 |
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ugh... i dislike politics... bush didnt do well, cheney didnt do well, so many other people didnt do well. partisanship sucks, but we do need some basis for concrete differential opinions, and people will always try to affiliate themselves with a group. there will always be some concept of parties, but in my, admittedly ignorant, opinion, what we need is a bit more compromise. Democrats vote left, republicans vote right, and (most likely biased) statistics help the hypocritical parties yell at each other for it. is 81% that far away from 90%? does it really matter? i concede on the fact that mccain's smarter than bush, though. i respect him for being a candid speaker, making his point clear, pundit, and speaking to his audience. in the simplest terms, though, he just reminds me why i'm not a republican. personally, i believe palin has hurt his chances of making it to the white house, as she has displayed, on a number of occasions, ignorance that certainly wont help the nation should mccain kick the bucket. (speaking of, did anyone see snl last night? i missed it...) Obama annoys me for the same reason i respect mccain. the eloquence with which he spins his words is undeniable, and on occasion, one can tell when he's hiding behind empty rhetoric. I havent been following the policies themselves as much as i should have, but it seems Obama seriously lacks some consistancy. Biden, though, i believe a very strong vp choice. ah well. Personally, i'd rather we become an Obama-nation than be run by the Maverick and the Milf. But unfortunately, i have to wait for two years till i'm old enough to vote. :-/ |
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| Devildog | Oct 19 2008, 10:46 PM Post #11 |
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Obama cause my vote doesn't count :] |
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| Deleted User | Oct 20 2008, 02:22 AM Post #12 |
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I'm a Obama and I think its hilarious since when I posted this I saw a McCain-Pailin ad. I'm for him cause I beleive he has the right ideas. I'd like to bring up the point that Obama is for Gay Marriage and Abortion which I am both for. People may not agree with me but I also beleive that Bush wasn't the best president or even a good one. He made mistakes and every human does but not as many as George Bush We NEED a president that actually understand what he is saying and knows what he will do with the country. McCain is, correct me if I'm wrong, seventy-one years old and I believe his age will catch up with him. This brings me to his Vice-President choice Palin. I was born in Alaska and people assume I am for her. I am not. I beleive she will drive this country into a war-economy after she lets everyone have guns. It is not right right now. Last but not least a funny quip. I believe Joe the Plumber should be on there seeing that he is now very famous after one night. |
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| Matt | Oct 20 2008, 02:45 AM Post #13 |
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Honestly, what's going on right now is much more important than gay marriage and abortion. The next president isn't/shouldn't be focusing on those kind of issues because world war and possible depression are a little more important at the moment. Your second point implies that McCain has no idea what he's talking about, which is of course completely false. Also, thinking that we would become a war-economy is just dumb, I'm sorry, but it really is. First of all it would never happen because Palin won't ever be president, and second, a law providing guns to everyone would never, ever be passed by Congress. |
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| Matt | Oct 20 2008, 03:34 AM Post #14 |
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Oh and to be clear, I support McCain. (And I live in New York)
Edited by Matt, Oct 20 2008, 03:34 AM.
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| Canopr1ngles | Oct 20 2008, 03:47 AM Post #15 |
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If I could vote in this years election, I wouldn't. Neither party is fit enough to hold a good office. Honestly, in my opinion, the third party candidate is better suited than anyone. |
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