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Tennessee loaded with top-level recruits — but they’re leaving the state
Topic Started: Aug 1 2016, 05:37 PM (207 Views)
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You have to start winning big this year
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This is a make or break season....More ways than one.
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we are struggling too get recruits in our own state. A lot of these kids coming to Nashville, come from other places, where they grew up fans of another school.

It is of the utmost importance that the Vols win big and that the coaching staff adapts their recruiting to these kids. Not every kid grows up a UT fan. In fact, why should any current kid from middle Tennessee want to brag about being a UT fan in their lifetime? That is what this staff has to start doing-turning them into UT fans at a younger age and have them wanting to play for the Vols, like it used to be for kids.
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Aug 1 2016, 05:45 PM
This is a make or break season....More ways than one.
Butch is going to solidify his place at UT or he is going to lose a hell of a lot of support if he does not win big this season. We lost at least 2 games last season because of Butch's poor in-game decision making. His conservative play calling with a lead has to end or else we lose more games.

Butch Jones will not be fired after this season, unless he goes 6-6 or 5-7. However, his seat warms up immensely with anything less than winning the SEC East.
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Then what? Another coach! We're going to look real stable for those Middle Tenn kids changing coaches ever few years. The coach at Va Tech had four or five bad years but they stuck with him and he turned out pretty good. Then if we get a loser for a coach, we will be like North Carolina State 40 years. You're too quick changing coaches.
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Aug 1 2016, 05:37 PM
No that is a fact

Truthiness is a part of tootsie.

2015 39 - is the number -39 in the entire state of Tennessee.

Right there with a couple other hot bed states - Indinana & Washington.

FWIW Floridia - 227 Florida HS recruits went OOS 39 vs 227 - not saying of those 227 would be SEC quality - nor does anyone think the 39 from Tennesse are, collectively difference makers/game changers in the the SEC.

Tooterpooter has some unfounded belief that middle Tennesse/Nashville is the well spring for Tennessee - think of it in other terms - other programs cherry picking.
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Tnphil
Aug 1 2016, 05:45 PM
This is a make or break season....More ways than one.
Butch is going to solidify his place at UT or he is going to lose a hell of a lot of support if he does not win big this season. We lost at least 2 games last season because of Butch's poor in-game decision making. His conservative play calling with a lead has to end or else we lose more games.

Butch Jones will not be fired after this season, unless he goes 6-6 or 5-7. However, his seat warms up immensely with anything less than winning the SEC East.
WTF?

BJ isn't going to win just recruiting middle Tennessee - regardless of what you might think.

BJ has shown recruiting Tennessee/SEC isn't some huge hurdle that some want to make it out to be - Tennessee is a brand name - as is the SEC regardless of wins or losses.

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Aug 1 2016, 05:45 PM
This is a make or break season....More ways than one.


Yep, this is the year that most folks have been pointing to. 2 new coaches in the East, a veteran team, a SR QB and talented depth at most positions. This is our chance to win the East.
Edited by el diablo, Aug 2 2016, 09:18 AM.
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Aug 1 2016, 10:36 PM
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Aug 1 2016, 07:02 PM
Tnphil
Aug 1 2016, 05:45 PM
This is a make or break season....More ways than one.
Butch is going to solidify his place at UT or he is going to lose a hell of a lot of support if he does not win big this season. We lost at least 2 games last season because of Butch's poor in-game decision making. His conservative play calling with a lead has to end or else we lose more games.

Butch Jones will not be fired after this season, unless he goes 6-6 or 5-7. However, his seat warms up immensely with anything less than winning the SEC East.
WTF?

BJ isn't going to win just recruiting middle Tennessee - regardless of what you might think.

BJ has shown recruiting Tennessee/SEC isn't some huge hurdle that some want to make it out to be - Tennessee is a brand name - as is the SEC regardless of wins or losses.

Obviously you have not paid attention to the emphasis that your own texas university Longhorns have placed on recruiting the best talent in their own state.

It is important to have a solid pipeline to your own state's source for it's top players.
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Aug 1 2016, 10:36 PM
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Aug 1 2016, 05:45 PM
This is a make or break season....More ways than one.
Butch is going to solidify his place at UT or he is going to lose a hell of a lot of support if he does not win big this season. We lost at least 2 games last season because of Butch's poor in-game decision making. His conservative play calling with a lead has to end or else we lose more games.

Butch Jones will not be fired after this season, unless he goes 6-6 or 5-7. However, his seat warms up immensely with anything less than winning the SEC East.
WTF?

BJ isn't going to win just recruiting middle Tennessee - regardless of what you might think.

BJ has shown recruiting Tennessee/SEC isn't some huge hurdle that some want to make it out to be - Tennessee is a brand name - as is the SEC regardless of wins or losses.

Obviously you have not paid attention to the emphasis that your own texas university Longhorns have placed on recruiting the best talent in their own state.

It is important to have a solid pipeline to your own state's source for it's top players.
#1 tooterpooter - the numbers are readily available - including those broken down to the so called "blue chips"

While your opinion is the state of Tennessee is loaded with football - the comparison to the mentioned states is valid. You also project that some time in the near future your area will be a so called hot bed for recruiting - well so be it. An side note 5 HS's within a "drive across town" like say Nashville churned out as many FBS recuits as the entire state of Tennessee.

Yes - the in state blue chips should consider the flagship university - even though the move to a unified "SEC" has, IMO, weakened that appeal. A Tennessee blue chip will be recruited by just about every school in the conference. Toss in 3 or 4 schools from the ACC - then add Meyer & Harbaugh. If your expectation is for BJ to focus on the instate blue chips - IIRC there are 11 or 12 chips in the 17 class - "if" Tennessee were to sign them all - it wouldn't be enough.

Winning does matter - and that is where Tennessee is in 2016. Seems the view by many is its making it to the SECCG or bust. I'm sure there are a number of recuits taking the "wait and see" approach regarding Tennessee, and several other schools in similar situations.

Anyway Butch Jones won't be fired "if" the Vols have a 7 or 8 win season in 2016. As to losing the mythical "support" from folks like yourself - IMV - that wouldn't be much of a loss, he'll you have the Titans to support.
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Aug 2 2016, 11:48 AM
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Aug 1 2016, 10:36 PM
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Aug 1 2016, 07:02 PM
Tnphil
Aug 1 2016, 05:45 PM
This is a make or break season....More ways than one.
Butch is going to solidify his place at UT or he is going to lose a hell of a lot of support if he does not win big this season. We lost at least 2 games last season because of Butch's poor in-game decision making. His conservative play calling with a lead has to end or else we lose more games.

Butch Jones will not be fired after this season, unless he goes 6-6 or 5-7. However, his seat warms up immensely with anything less than winning the SEC East.
WTF?

BJ isn't going to win just recruiting middle Tennessee - regardless of what you might think.

BJ has shown recruiting Tennessee/SEC isn't some huge hurdle that some want to make it out to be - Tennessee is a brand name - as is the SEC regardless of wins or losses.

Obviously you have not paid attention to the emphasis that your own texas university Longhorns have placed on recruiting the best talent in their own state.

It is important to have a solid pipeline to your own state's source for it's top players.
#1 tooterpooter - the numbers are readily available - including those broken down to the so called "blue chips"

While your opinion is the state of Tennessee is loaded with football - the comparison to the mentioned states is valid. You also project that some time in the near future your area will be a so called hot bed for recruiting - well so be it. An side note 5 HS's within a "drive across town" like say Nashville churned out as many FBS recuits as the entire state of Tennessee.

Yes - the in state blue chips should consider the flagship university - even though the move to a unified "SEC" has, IMO, weakened that appeal. A Tennessee blue chip will be recruited by just about every school in the conference. Toss in 3 or 4 schools from the ACC - then add Meyer & Harbaugh. If your expectation is for BJ to focus on the instate blue chips - IIRC there are 11 or 12 chips in the 17 class - "if" Tennessee were to sign them all - it wouldn't be enough.

Winning does matter - and that is where Tennessee is in 2016. Seems the view by many is its making it to the SECCG or bust. I'm sure there are a number of recuits taking the "wait and see" approach regarding Tennessee, and several other schools in similar situations.

Anyway Butch Jones won't be fired "if" the Vols have a 7 or 8 win season in 2016. As to losing the mythical "support" from folks like yourself - IMV - that wouldn't be much of a loss, he'll you have the Titans to support.
Again, as usual, you have no understanding of the importance of Nashville and middle Tennessee to UT recruiting.

If you draw a circle around Knoxville that extends 3-4 hours away from Knoxville, you have three of the most booming cities in the US. Atlanta, Charlotte, and Nashville. Nashville is in the state f Tennessee and the University f Tennessee is the state's flagship university and the only real major football program in the state. It is of the utmost importance that UT gets the best prospects out of the state of Tennessee. Obviously you have no understanding of that since you are a texas university fan.

Right now, UT is just another school to many of these kids. None of these kids were old enough to remember the Vols being good during their formative years. That is why it is I'm,portent for the Vols to win big this year. The Vols have to give the young kids of the growing and gracious vibrant city of Nashville a reason to want to be a University of Tennessee Volunteer.
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So Tennessee is not producing top talent , says Texie….

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FWIW, the state Tennessee has 7 Top 100 kids in the first Class of 2019...

Just another example of how the talentvlevel has exploded in this state. Tennessee's 2019 commitment Kendrall Scurry is #83. The#33 overall player is from TN but committed to LSU as of now.

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So Tennessee is not producing top talent , says Texie….

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FWIW, the state Tennessee has 7 Top 100 kids in the first Class of 2019...

Just another example of how the talentvlevel has exploded in this state. Tennessee's 2019 commitment Kendrall Scurry is #83. The#33 overall player is from TN but committed to LSU as of now.

Sooooo tooterpooter 2019 is your target year? Wonder if things change, ranking wise between now and then.

Again there are projections about rankings two recruiting cycles from now - and then there are recruiting numbers.

Tennessee's numbers are there 2016 - 39 total - including 4 JUCO's and several prep peers.

FWIW - Florida's numbers are down compared to 2015 - 364 in 16 vs 380.

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