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How Good Could Our Run Game Be?
Topic Started: Jul 11 2016, 08:53 PM (54 Views)
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How good could our run game be if we were able to throw the ball down the field?

Many fans do not understand this simple reality. When you throw the ball successfully down the field, you force the defense to not play the safety up in the box to stop the run. You pull the nickel or safety off of the hash, creating a huge running lane.

If we could be more successful throwing the ball, our run game would be explosive. Too many fans are caught up in the QB keeping for 6-7 yards and an occasional 15 yard run. That is like pissing away dollars for pennies.
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Tux...what you just posted is football 101. I would hope most fans understand that. 100% of UT fans that I know or have spoken with wants us to be able to stretch the field more. I've heard Butch say the same thing for 3 years.....Whether it happens remains to be seen.
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Jul 11 2016, 10:04 PM
Tux...what you just posted is football 101. I would hope most fans understand that. 100% of UT fans that I know or have spoken with wants us to be able to stretch the field more. I've heard Butch say the same thing for 3 years.....Whether it happens remains to be seen.
You understand that because you have played and coached the game. However, a ton of our fans don't understand this. I'd say a majority f them do not understand this.
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Butch/Debord/whoever stretches the field horizontally, rather than vertically, and throws in a ton of misdirection to create creases for the run game. A vertical passing threat would help, sure...but it's not really the design of the offense. A vertical passing game wont open things up for the butch spread in the same way it opened up running lanes for Randy Sanders' ISO > ISO > 9 route offense.

What just absolutely shocks the shit out of me is, with the running game we have & the design of our offense...how in the HELL do we not ever have a receiver open deep? I dont question the passing game effecting the run game...I question why the running game ISNT effecting the passing game. I think our route tree just goes 1-6, no 7-9 or something.
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Jul 12 2016, 06:52 AM
Butch/Debord/whoever stretches the field horizontally, rather than vertically, and throws in a ton of misdirection to create creases for the run game. A vertical passing threat would help, sure...but it's not really the design of the offense. A vertical passing game wont open things up for the butch spread in the same way it opened up running lanes for Randy Sanders' ISO > ISO > 9 route offense.

What just absolutely shocks the shit out of me is, with the running game we have & the design of our offense...how in the HELL do we not ever have a receiver open deep? I dont question the passing game effecting the run game...I question why the running game ISNT effecting the passing game. I think our route tree just goes 1-6, no 7-9 or something.
A good passing scheme should not be based off of misdirection. It is good to have a misdirection pass play , but you don'tt use it to set up your pass game.
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Further, if you base your passing offense on a misdirection run game, you have found a reason why your pass protection sucks. It will always suck if you are using direction as your base on which you throw the majority f times. In midsection, it is not just the backs who used in misdirection, it is the OL moving as well.

That said, you could have the NFL's All-Pro line and you could not protect your QB if you are basing your passing game off of misdirection.
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Jul 12 2016, 06:52 AM
Butch/Debord/whoever stretches the field horizontally, rather than vertically, and throws in a ton of misdirection to create creases for the run game. A vertical passing threat would help, sure...but it's not really the design of the offense. A vertical passing game wont open things up for the butch spread in the same way it opened up running lanes for Randy Sanders' ISO > ISO > 9 route offense.

What just absolutely shocks the shit out of me is, with the running game we have & the design of our offense...how in the HELL do we not ever have a receiver open deep? I dont question the passing game effecting the run game...I question why the running game ISNT effecting the passing game. I think our route tree just goes 1-6, no 7-9 or something.
A good passing scheme should not be based off of misdirection. It is good to have a misdirection pass play , but you don'tt use it to set up your pass game.
Considering our base offense is an option run game...yeah, the passing offense pretty much has to be built off of play action passes and misdirection. It would be silly to not do that...unless, of course, you can talk BJ into completely changing his offensive philosophy & offensive system entirely*. This is not a 5 step drop offense, especially not with Dobbs @ QB....which is why our passing tree is all digs & below. We can (& do) run some 3 step drop plays, but it's not even remotely close to a strength of the offense even if/when we do it well.

*for the record, I'm good with that. It's just not going to happen.
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Jul 11 2016, 08:53 PM
How good could our run game be if we were able to throw the ball down the field?

Many fans do not understand this simple reality. When you throw the ball successfully down the field, you force the defense to not play the safety up in the box to stop the run. You pull the nickel or safety off of the hash, creating a huge running lane.

If we could be more successful throwing the ball, our run game would be explosive. Too many fans are caught up in the QB keeping for 6-7 yards and an occasional 15 yard run. That is like pissing away dollars for pennies.
Being a former OLman, you don't understand that without time to throw the ball deep and not getting our QB killed, that it is tough to get the ball downfield.

We had 254 yds rushing against UF while throwing the ball 19 times b/c, imo, Dobbs damn near got killed twice in the 1st half and DeBord had to shut the deep passing game down.

Dobbs needs to be more accurate. The WRs need to get off coverage and catch the damn ball. The OL needs to provide better protection--they did improve as the year went on and I believe they have a chance to be much better this yr. By the way, I thought they played like champs against Bammer with 2 true Fr on the right side.

Phil is right. Most fans understand that you have to throw the ball downfield to loosen up the defense.
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