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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 24 2013, 11:08 AM (147 Views) | |
| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 24 2013, 11:08 AM Post #1 |
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Tough night last night. It does not get any worse than what we experienced last night. It is the day after and I am even more depressed. What am I depressed about? I am depressed about the way that we ended this season. We will have 9 more months of negativity because of the way that we ended the season. I am depressed about the fact that we will have 5 new faces on the offensive line that could not beat out the current bunch. I am depressed about our QB situation. Josh Dobbs proved that you do not have to be a rocket scientist to be a good QB who can win games. Maybe the positive from this is that Justin Worley could return for his senior season. I am depressed that we are going to have an even tougher and more difficult season next year. Let's buy out the Oklahoma game now. We don;t need any more character building and pride games than we already have. We need games to build a positive outlook from. I am depressed about our "Best Coaching Staff in America". Are they going to continue being better than all other staffs in the land? I am depressed because I hate Butch's offensive scheme and know that we are stuck with it. He is very rigid in his belief on this system. I do not believe it can succeed to the point that you can win championships with it. I am depressed that we are Vanderbilt. We are Colorado. Give me Mike McIntyre any day of the week. Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but it sucks to be a Tennessee fan in any sport these days. |
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| BJVOL III | Nov 24 2013, 11:48 AM Post #2 |
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Awesome
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You may want to call a shrink. |
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| Tnphil | Nov 24 2013, 03:14 PM Post #3 |
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It is what it is.....bad right now. Last night was the first postgame presser where Butch looked like a defeated man. He didn't look like that after Oregon, Bama, Mizzou, Auburn. Last night he was a defeated looking coach. He's got some soul searching to do in the next few months. Butch wants to be here and be successful here. I think he knows where we stand and we need players to go with some of our young-uns that got a lot of playing time this season. IMO Butch will not keep coaches that aren't getting it done.....he's smart enough to know this is his once chance at the big leagues. He will go down fighting to get us turned around. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 24 2013, 03:47 PM Post #4 |
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Phil, in your opinion, who would be some coaches who have not been getting it done? |
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| Tnphil | Nov 24 2013, 04:19 PM Post #5 |
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Tux, it's hard to say right now.....It's the chicken and the egg sorta thing. Do we have talent (in places) with bad coaching or good coaching without talent. It's easy to blame coaching when things go wrong but I know well enough and been in the position that no matter what you do or try it just doesn't work when you don't have the tools to do the job.....like trying to drive a nail in a 2x4 with a screw driver. Where was our SEC ready talent? WRs?, RBs? TE's LBers? DBs? DL? QBs? Shit, where do you start??!!!! Firmly believe if Worley hadn't gotten hurt we would have won last night.....Light came on for him against GA and he was getting better....Our freshman were NOT ready. Unless you got a shit-load of talent around a TRUE Freshman QB you aren't going to win many games in big-boy football....So again, asked yourself those SEC players we had that I asked above. Our OL isn't made for this offense...do we blame the OLC? Worley got better then got hurt..do we blame the QB coach for a true freshman with little talent around him from being bad and LOOKING like a true Freshman? Do we blame the DL coach and DE coach for having little talent on the DL and the backups hurt or suspended? Do we blame the LBer and DB coach for having NAIA speed back there and playing Walkons and Freshman? Vandy beat us because they had a QB and a couple of WRs making plays and we had neither. Vandy was playing with players that has been in Franklin's system for 2-3 years....do we blame our staff because of that? The ONLY thing I can say right now is our offensive gameplan didn't look good last night...but is that because of Dobbs limits? I saw our offense growing some before Worley got hurt, each week we were adding some things that I liked...then Worley gets injured and in comes a player that was playing in the HS playoffs this time last year that didn't get a lot of help around him and or Dobbs didn't give them a lot of help either.... It's just bad right now....and I just can't blame coaching for much of it. Edited by Tnphil, Nov 24 2013, 04:38 PM.
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| Hermitagevol | Nov 24 2013, 04:40 PM Post #6 |
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For the spread to work IMO, you need either a big powerful QB (like Newton or Tebow) or a speedy guy like Oregon's QB. UT has neither. From that standpoint alone, Jones is fighting an uphill battle. Is he aware of that? I don't think his coaches are elite either. I think he needs to upgrade there probably starting at both coordinators. Like I said in a previous post, the clock is already ticking against Jones. UT cannot go 6-6 next season. |
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| BJVOL III | Nov 24 2013, 07:14 PM Post #7 |
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Tnphil Excellent post. You make a lot of sense. |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 24 2013, 08:12 PM Post #8 |
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Phil, you do make a lot of good points ... but (like I posted in a separate thread) I was expecting Butch Jones to come in and create an upturn in on-the-field results because I thought he was a good coach. James Franklin came to Vandy and took a team bowling in his first year, after Vandy had suffered consecutive 2-10 seasons. And, he is getting better every year. I was hoping Butch Jones would be that kind of wunderkid. He isn't. At this point, he is just a generic coaching unit that is no different than hundreds of other generic coaching units. |
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| Tnphil | Nov 24 2013, 09:22 PM Post #9 |
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Just can't agree......Did Franklin turn it around the first year playing the 3rd ranked schedule in the country? Apples and Oranges. Until this year...his 3rd year, he hasn't beaten a ranked team and IIRC didn't have a win against a team with a winning record until the Bowl win last year. Not sure how GA and FL were ranked this year when Vandy played them. Plus....this year they didn't play the same GA or FL we played.. I take nothing away from Vandy right now....but IMO can't compare Franklins first year to the schedule we played this year. Edited by Tnphil, Nov 24 2013, 09:38 PM.
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 25 2013, 10:08 AM Post #10 |
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| Sapientvol | Nov 25 2013, 09:19 PM Post #11 |
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We played the hardest schedule in Tennessee football history this year. The most ranked teams and the most highly ranked teams. It was brutal and I think at present the 2nd toughest schedule of any team in the NCAA this year. Even still, I think we play competitive and make it to a bowl game if Worley doesn't get hurt. We had NO experienced depth at quarterback and at present have only ONE quarterback who can play at all, maybe Peterman is healed up, but I'm not sure that's any help, after his Florida performance. We just couldn't take any injuries at critical positions and there is no position more critical than quarterback. Now to those who are ready to jump out of windows of tall buildings. We knew this rebuild would not be a one year thing. We knew Dooley wasn't recruiting at a level to move up in the SEC. And we knew our offense would be challenged at skill positions and that we lack team speed on defense. The solution is recruiting. And our present staff is simply knocking it out of the park in recruiting. You don't fire anybody from a staff that is lighting it up like that, especially when the solution is recruiting. General Neyland couldn't have coached up this bunch this year to more wins than Butch got. |
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| Tnphil | Nov 25 2013, 09:45 PM Post #12 |
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Worley getting hurt.....hurt us. He was getting better and the offense was getting better as we saw in the GA. and USC games. The playbook was expanding and then boom.....we are starting a true freshman that's not shaving yet. You make very good points SapientVol.. |
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| BJVOL III | Nov 25 2013, 11:20 PM Post #13 |
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Both of you have a realistic view of where the program is. |
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