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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 24 2013, 08:30 AM (111 Views) | |
| BJVOL III | Nov 24 2013, 08:30 AM Post #1 |
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This board was in total meltdown last night. At the starting of the season there was a call for patience. It was generally acknowledged that the coaches needed 2 to 3 years of recruits to bring Tennessee back. Last night, most posters caved in to their emotions. Tnphil Is the only one who had a realistic assessment of Tennessee. Read it because it makes sense. |
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| BJVOL III | Nov 24 2013, 08:56 AM Post #2 |
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Read this Coaching is coaching and football is football, it doesn't matter what conference you play in. Sure things have to get better.....but we have to rid the loser attitude that this team has had and that started tonight with the 28 seniors last home game. I WILL NOT miss ONE of them. Tonight we had a true freshman playing like a true freshman playing a horrible game with no help....Our only WR threat went out in the first quarter and our passing game was DONE at that point. Our RBs ran hard and in hindsight we should have run them more and had a better run game plan. Vandy had a QB and WRs making plays and we had ZERO....NADA. Our defense played well enough to win. I said yesterday that if Vandy scored 20 points we'd lose....I missed it by 6. In 60 years of UT football this offense and defense is as bad as I can remember. It's going to take players and winners to get us back.....and lots of them!! |
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| Michelangelo | Nov 24 2013, 10:05 AM Post #3 |
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Some of the dumbess play calling that I have ever witnessed and one call stands out above all the rest - 3 and 1 with Vandy having the whole team in the box and we hand off to the back 5 yards behind the los on a dive play. Oh I forgot the faked fg on 4th and 19. BS on these overpaid coordinators. |
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| BJVOL III | Nov 24 2013, 10:54 AM Post #4 |
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Is that all the dumbass plays you observed? Did you see any good ones? |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 24 2013, 05:14 PM Post #5 |
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I disagree with this statement. Saying that football & coaching is the same in an FCS conference is the same as that of the SEC ... well ... is like saying that acting and directing in the local high school production is the same as that on Broadway. It's not. The talent you face is much more intense. The stress you encounter is much higher. The hours you need to put in is much higher. The schemes that you face are more advanced and can vary much more. Here's the bottom line: A coach that thinks that schemes that work against low-end talent will work against high-end talent should never ever be hired in the SEC. Why? Because that same coach will think the same game plan against team A will work against team B, and no coach is that stupid. I don't think Butch Jones is stupid, but he may be slow to learn. |
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| BJVOL III | Nov 24 2013, 07:38 PM Post #6 |
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Rev Why do you think you may be slow to learn? Are you saying that he can't win with a boatload of talent? I think his issue now is the lack of talent. His other issue this year was the difficult schedule. He is trying to handle the situation with the little talent he has. He has a third string true freshman quarterback. What do you expect him to do? He is not a miracle man. |
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| Michelangelo | Nov 24 2013, 07:49 PM Post #7 |
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I picked out two plays that probably cost us the ballgame. Did I see any good ones? Yes. But let's get one thing straight here. These coaches are paid a tremendous salary to do a job and with the pay they received, you would think that they would be experts in their field. Now with that said, maybe this group (the best coaching staff in the country according to Jones) doesn't know enough to deserve the monies they are being paid. Huh? |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 24 2013, 08:07 PM Post #8 |
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On offense, I think his biggest problem right now is a talent issue at quarterback. Dobbs isn't SEC material ... I'm not sure about Peterman. We all knew it would be a tough beginning of the season as we broke in a new QB and receivers, and just when they were starting to gel then Worley gets injured. When I use the phrase "slow to learn", I fear that my statement above is masking the problem with the offensive spread scheme of Bajakian. I am of the opinion that this offense doesn't work at the SEC level because defenses are just too fast ... the lone exception is that if you have a superstar dual-threat QB, which are rare. Like Zip and Tux, I believe that this scheme might get us to 8 or 9 wins, but it will not win championships. I believe you either need to have pro style offense or you need to have a superstud dual-threat QB. On defense, we are slow. That's a talent issue. But, there are ways to scheme with a slow and less-talented defense - a bend but don't break strategy such as was employed by Wilcox - but we aren't doing it. I'm happier with Jancek than Sunseri as our DC, but I would also be happier with my dead grandmother than Sunseri as our DC ... so that's not saying much. |
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| Tnphil | Nov 24 2013, 09:32 PM Post #9 |
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Are you saying the systems that A&M....Auburn....and Mizzou run isn't working? If you have the system players it will work.... Will we win multiple national championships with it......hell if I know. But we've won ONE NC in the last 50 years so who knows? Shit, I wish we would run the 80's and 90's Nebraska offense, maybe we win another MNC in the next 50 years. Somewhere down the line folks seem to think if you don't win national championships and have runs like we did in the 90's you are a failure. I guess folks don't remember as far back as I do. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 24 2013, 09:56 PM Post #10 |
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All are spread offenses, but all spreads are not the same. Butch's scheme a combination of Rich Rod's and Brian Kelly's. Rich Rod run scheme with Kelly's shortened pass scheme. Our offense is nothing like the other two. |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 24 2013, 10:06 PM Post #11 |
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I'm not focused on National Championships, simply because there's too many decisions about who gets to compete for those that are made off the field. I'm focused on SEC championships. |
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| Tnphil | Nov 24 2013, 10:08 PM Post #12 |
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You haven't seen all of Butch's spread read option...not even close. And yes...there is several different spread options. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 24 2013, 10:12 PM Post #13 |
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Mizzou and A&M run spread schemes but not the read option that Butch uses. |
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| Tnphil | Nov 24 2013, 11:24 PM Post #14 |
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Mizzou runs some read option off it...I watched them do it last night. Ole Miss does as well. |
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| Sapientvol | Nov 25 2013, 08:31 AM Post #15 |
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There's not much of Brian Kelly's offense left in Butch Jones' offense. Kelly's offense was predicated on deep vertical pass routes, often 4 or 5 deep pass routes. Butch Jones does NOT run that offense, his passing routes are much shorter and more timing patterns. Kelly's offense prevented teams from sneaking safeties and corners up in the box to stop the run. We could have used that against Vandy on Saturday. But our qb can't hit those receivers long at present and Vandy knew that. We are like Rich Rod's offense. A run first oriented spread. Which Jones learned as an assistant at WVA under Rich Rod. We do need a more dynamic quarterback to run this offense. Maybe it's Ferguson, or Dobbs after more experience. We don't have that at present. |
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