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Topic Started: Nov 23 2013, 10:32 PM (491 Views)
*TennesseeTuxedo
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Hermitagevol
Nov 24 2013, 10:36 AM
Now you have a major QB controversy going into next season. They players "love" Dobbs according to the broadcasters last night. If Worley is healthy, shouldn't he be the started next season given his experience? How do you keep Ferguson happy if Dobbs is starter after spring practice? I think Peterman will move on.
Butch gave inn to the whims of fans and players earlier in the season against Florida when he went with Peterman and it likely cost us the gem.

Butch can't let the inmates run the asylum.

I think that your question about our returning QBs is spot on.

How do you keep Ferguson if Butch and the players love Dobbs?

If so, we are down to two scholarship QBs and Dobbs sure isn;t going to win you mashy games unless we play Austin Peay again.
Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Nov 24 2013, 10:48 AM.
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Nov 24 2013, 12:23 AM
I was one of those, Tux. I agree with you now.

He's had four games, and all he can hit is a screen? That is not an SEC quarterback.
I was watching the game with friends....and I told them to watch Dobbs. He'd had two weeks to practice with the ones and he would be ready to rip up Vandy.

If Worely plays in that game, we score 28 points and win going away. Everybody who was saying that Butch was holding back the freshmen to save redshirts......sure were wrong.....
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The main problem we have this year is our offense is a square peg we are trying to throw into a round hole.

Our OL has talent, but they are not mobile enough to do well in this scheme. Our WRs are not right, either. Well...Pig is, sorta, and North just because he has a lot of talent...but not Croom. Our TBs are 1) fast with no vision and 2) Good vision and lateral movement, but slow. Then our best QB is about as mobile as a rock.

The personel we have this year would have probably won 7 games lining up in an I formation and running counters & ISOs, throwing to Croom across the middle, Backs on swings, screens to pig and a shot or two deep to North. Just suits their physical skill sets better.

But we'd be a few years behind implementing Butch's "system". Ask me in 2016 if this was a good idea or Rich Rod v. 2.0.
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Given the schedule, I don't think Jones makes it past 2016 unless things fall together in a hurry. He's got to decide if this year's woes were players, coaching or both. I bet he doesn't change his staff and if next season is like this season, he's doomed. He'll fire or have several coaches leave, like Drools, but by then it's too late.

I think that's why getting 6 wins was a huge thing this season. This program needs all the practicing it can get. Two weeks to prepare for the final two games, and you end up with 55 yards passing???
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And check this out, rushing stats from last night:
Rajion Neal 22 100 5 95 1 16 4.3
Marlin Lane 9 53 0 53 0 16 5.9

Lane averaged over a yard and a half per carry better than Neal, but Neal got 22 carries and Lane got 9. Lane runs down hill. I just don't understand it.
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Lonzo...there just has to be a reason we don't know about with the Neil vs Lane thing. I did think Neil ran hard all season and last night.....he's just limited in what he can do.

The Lane thing has been puzzling.
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Nov 24 2013, 08:27 AM
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Nov 24 2013, 08:18 AM
Dobbs is not an SEC quarterback. The receivers are inexperienced and some are not SEC material. The defense is slow and not at the SEC level. Now try to figure out why we lose games! Some of you will not be able to figure it out!
We have much more talent and speed than Vandy ... so let's see ... what could be the difference? Hmmmm ....


Oh I know! They have Franklin and we have Jones.
We have more speed and talent than Vandy? Please explain.
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el diablo
Nov 24 2013, 04:06 PM
We have more speed and talent than Vandy? Please explain.
Speed: when our players run after their players, we catch them.
Talent: more NFL players on our team, higher "star" ratings
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Nov 24 2013, 03:01 PM
Lonzo...there just has to be a reason we don't know about with the Neil vs Lane thing. I did think Neil ran hard all season and last night.....he's just limited in what he can do.

The Lane thing has been puzzling.
It is not the 1st time it has happened this year. I don't know if it is a fatigue situation or what.

The play that lost it, imo, was the 3rd and 1 call at mid field in the 4th quarter. To line up a team in the I formation with a FB was just total BS. The 1st series of the game for us proved we couldn't do anything out of an unfamiliar set. Our QB is a spread QB and we put him under the center. I don't know why we just didn't sneak the damn thing on 3rd and 4th down. Bad, bad play call, imo.

The staff had absolutely no confidence in Dobbs ability to pass last night. He just choked up big time after playing two quality teams where he made much better decisions. I don't know why.
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el diablo
Nov 24 2013, 04:49 PM
Tnphil
Nov 24 2013, 03:01 PM
Lonzo...there just has to be a reason we don't know about with the Neil vs Lane thing. I did think Neil ran hard all season and last night.....he's just limited in what he can do.

The Lane thing has been puzzling.
It is not the 1st time it has happened this year. I don't know if it is a fatigue situation or what.

The play that lost it, imo, was the 3rd and 1 call at mid field in the 4th quarter. To line up a team in the I formation with a FB was just total BS. The 1st series of the game for us proved we couldn't do anything out of an unfamiliar set. Our QB is a spread QB and we put him under the center. I don't know why we just didn't sneak the damn thing on 3rd and 4th down. Bad, bad play call, imo.

The staff had absolutely no confidence in Dobbs ability to pass last night. He just choked up big time after playing two quality teams where he made much better decisions. I don't know why.
Winner!!
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Nov 24 2013, 04:37 PM
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Nov 24 2013, 04:06 PM
We have more speed and talent than Vandy? Please explain.
Speed: when our players run after their players, we catch them.
Talent: more NFL players on our team, higher "star" ratings
I don't know how many stars--you are a much better source for that than I. However, I have seen a Vandy team the last 2 years that is very intense on offense and defense. The controlled both lines of scrimmage except for the 3rd quarter. If it were not for turnovers, we would have been in deep, bad trouble.

I didn't see anybody catch Matthews or either of their QBs. Their secondary was so much better than ours that their 2nd team shut down our talented WRs. I don't know of any DBs that will start next year with the recruits coming in that I have seen tape of. Again, I not my area of expertise.

The Vandy teams I have seen the last 2 years showed more intensity, tackled better, controlled both lines of scrimmage and made the plays that a winning team makes. The last 2 years, Vandy has had a better defense, offense and coaching effort than we have.

I have rarely seen our DBs catch anybody. Our DEs continually get hooked and let guys get outside them. The OL layed around for a half and then decided to block somebody after Vandy talked some trash to them. I believe we think we are better than we are. This is just a very, very bad team this year. All 3 HCs came in and said the same thing privately. I knew it was bad, I just didn't know how bad. Aub had 2 years of top 5 and 2 years of top 10 recruits. We haven't and it shows.
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Dobbs has a weenie arm and while arm strength can be improved some, it can not be transformed into a guy with a gun. As far as the offensive line is concerned, Vols needs some nasty white boys in the blocking front. I saw Mizzou's group towards the end of the game vs. UT, five big, ugly white boys standing together on the side lines. Last year in NC game, on the two teams from tackle to tackle, seven out of ten were big, ugly white boys. I don't know exactly what to make of it, but obviously there are reasons why.
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Doesn't South Carolina have more players with stars then Tennessee? We won. It doesn't mean you are going to win every time Cause you have more talent. Tennessee was only a 2 1/2 point favorite. The oddsmakers didn't think there was much of a discrepancy in talent between the two teams.
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Nov 24 2013, 07:23 PM
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Doesn't South Carolina have more players with stars then Tennessee? We won. It doesn't mean you are going to win every time Cause you have more talent. Tennessee was only a 2 1/2 point favorite. The oddsmakers didn't think there was much of a discrepancy in talent between the two teams.
No. Tennessee is more talented. Every recent year (except 2013) South Carolina is behind Tennessee ... that is one of the reasons I thought Tennessee had its best chance to beat South Carolina.

2013: South Carolina #16, Tennessee #21
2012: Tennessee #17, South Carolina #19
2011: Tennessee #13, South Carolina #18
2010: Tennessee #9, South Carolina #24


Tennessee was a 2 1/2 point favorite over Vandy because of coaching, not talent.
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el diablo
Nov 24 2013, 05:17 PM
The Vandy teams I have seen the last 2 years showed more intensity, tackled better, controlled both lines of scrimmage and made the plays that a winning team makes. The last 2 years, Vandy has had a better defense, offense and coaching effort than we have.
Franklin and his staff coaches those players up, and they motivate them. We saw this even in Franklin's first year with Vandy ... James Franklin took over a Vanderbilt team that had been 2-10 the prior two years, and he had them bowling in their first year. We're talking Vandy.

... what has disappointed me more than anything else was that I thought Butch Jones and his staff would have a similar impact in his first year with Tennessee that Franklin had in his first year at Vandy. But, it didn't happen ... what's worse is that he may be worse than Dooley as a coach if he can't beat Kentucky.
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