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| The First 2014 Mock NFL Draft | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 22 2013, 10:12 AM (355 Views) | |
| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 22 2013, 10:12 AM Post #1 |
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The first Mock 2014 NFL Draft is out. Everything on these u=is very fluid and changes weekly. Once the Combine is held and private workouts are completed, the board begins to really change and shape up. Noticed a kid named Richardson on this Mock Draft. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/2014-nfl-draft-report-full-first-round-mock-222745657--nfl.html |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 22 2013, 10:50 AM Post #2 |
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I don't follow the NFL draft much, but where is Georgia's Murray? He's having another solid season despite injury ... I know he is on the short side for a QB, but seems to have lots of tools to bring to a team. Also, I just don't understand how some of these dual-threat QBs get drafted so high, particularly since it is madness to run them much in the NFL due to injuries (ask RG3). |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 22 2013, 11:42 AM Post #3 |
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Rev, you are on the money about the mobile QBs. How many Super Bowls have mobile QBs won versus pocket passers? Teams like the Redskins, Eagles, and Titans have paid a lot of money to mobile QBs only to see that QB go down to injury and cost them dearly. That is a lot of money to spend on a franchise type player and only to see it go up in flames due to injury. I believe we will see less emphasis on drafting mobile QBs because of that. |
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| el diablo | Nov 22 2013, 11:50 AM Post #4 |
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Murray is thought of right now as a back up QB in the NFL. He is smart, hard working, good citizen, a little better than average arm and a good athlete. There is the 26-27-60 QB test that pros use. QBs must have a 26 wonderlick score, have started 27 games and completed 60% of their passes to be a good NFL QB candidate. There are exceptions. I saw a statistic where QBs with starting experience of less than 22 games in college had like a 17% success rate of just staying in the league. That is pretty brutal. Also, remember that the 1st round has around a 50% success rate. 2nd round picks are over a 50% success rate and is why they are so treasured by teams. 2nd round is cheaper and more successful. Dual threat QBs are hard to grade. They throw short passes and count on their legs. RG3 was a major exception in that he threw down field a lot. He has to learn how to get down early. Colin Kaepernick gets down early and survives to lead his team into the 4th quarter. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM Post #5 |
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Here is NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah with his latest first round mock. You will notice that it is much different than the mods that others have been putting out….Teddy Bridgewater is not #1. After the NFL Combine, everyone will be swooning over Clowney again. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/175601?campaign=Twitter_mock_draft |
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| BJVOL III | Jan 15 2014, 04:44 PM Post #6 |
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In the first draft, there are four offensive tackles ahead of Richardson. In the second draft example, there are six offensive tackles taken in the first round but no Richardson. He was considered the best lineman on our offensive line which many thought was the best line in the country at the beginning of the season. Those who think our line was overrated may be right. |
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| humbletx | Jan 15 2014, 05:04 PM Post #7 |
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The Oregon QB is staying in school. IIRC the 49'ers had a rather mobile lefty QB who led them to a Super bowl victory. The Titans - well McNair wasn't exactly a stick in the mud - and you're correct he never won a Super bowl.. Times change - the Titans, as have numerous team flushed millions away on QB's - to no avail. Heck, if all you care about is some QB who has won a Super bowl - you've missed a lot of good football - guys like Archie Manning. Some were mobile - then an injury robbed them of that talent - Aikman at OU is an good example. John Elway - even though he showed some legs during his career is another. Stabler another one. Want to watch some good football - and the SEC Net Work should have many of his games to play at some time - a Tennessee QB from back in the day named Holloway or further back John Majors.. Now in this years draft, unlike last year, there are some talented QB's - and why is such and undersized averaged arm QB getting some much attention? Shredding SEC defenses may have something to do with that. Bridgewater, FWIW played in what some call a pro-style offense. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 15 2014, 05:16 PM Post #8 |
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Texie, Young was very mobile in his early years, but he tried to stay in the pocket in SF due to concussion issues resulting from his mobile QB days. McNair moved around in the pocket decently and if he saw open space, look out, he was going to bull sun up the middle and nobody wanted to hit him. I really loved how he played the game. Still he was not a runner later in his career. I'm waiting to see how JM and Teddy B's careers develop. Johnny is fun to watch. How will his game translate to the NFL. I think he will have a very good career. Teddy is a not overly tall-6/2" but only weighs 190 lbs. That is 20-30 lbs lighter than almost every other QB in the draft. That would require a lot of money to invest in a skinny QB, who might not last due to injury. |
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| humbletx | Jan 15 2014, 06:13 PM Post #9 |
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Steve Young was a very mobile, Super bowl winning QB. The metric "win a Super bowl" Young, as well as Elway - go back and watch Elway in the last two Super bowls he played. There are any numbers of NFL QB's one can site that were extremely mobile - your so called move around in the pocket types. The only type of offense, and the NFL doesn't use it for a number of reasons, are the bone/option types I mentioned Manning, the Vikings had a guy who was a damned good QB who could scoot around in the pocket, today the 49'ers have one, as well as the Seahawks. Those teams, along with New England have adopted many of the high school type schemes to their offense - which includes a damned fine running game. Drew Brees - another extremely mobile QB - blew a knee in HS - that cost him a 'ship to A&M - sure as heck isn't a stick in the mud type "pro system" QB - IIRC that is what SD put him in, resultant injury to a shoulder, and he winds up in NO - and a wide assed open offense, like he ran in HS. SD went the traditional pro style QB. Rivers had been a damned fine pro QB in a pro system. Concussions? Ask Aikman about concussions. Lost his mobility before he xfered to UCLA - In Dallas he was a sitting duck took massive hits, left the game for that very same reason - concussions. No reason to use the concussion card - Toots. Doesn't matter what position one plays in the NFL - concussions are killers - and that isn't a pun. Manziel - Bridgewater - two very different athletes. Manziel has improved dramatically as a QB - as I said he would between his first and second year at A&M. In that non pro style offense. Bridgewater - as skinny as they come, mobile when needed, and a good arm. Bridgewater stereotypically fits your "pro style" definition of a QB.. Manziel doesn't. The question doesn't come down to adapting - it comes down to coaching. Both has the smarts to play the position - both pay attention to their teachers - and both can have their careers ended due to injury. "Still not a runner later in his career" - Again WTF. |
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| el diablo | Jan 16 2014, 12:10 PM Post #10 |
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Gil Brandt has Bridgewater at 6-2.5 and 207#. Remember, RG3 got a lot bigger between college and the NFL. Bridgewater had 58 TDs, 12 ints and a 70% completion rate. That ain't bad. I think both he and Manziel will be very good in the NFL. The questions are--Are the other potential 1st round QBs worth a 1st round pick?--Where in the draft does Bridgewater and Manziel go? If either makes it to #5 with Oakland, there will be a massive push for teams to move up, imo. I can see Houston going Clowney if they change to a 4-3 and STL has a QB, but Jacksonville passing on a QB (especially Manziel) is hard for me to accept. Manziel means butts in the seats and Jacksonville needs a lot of that. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 16 2014, 12:17 PM Post #11 |
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I know Gil's reputation, but multiple sources say that Teddy is no more than 195
Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Jan 16 2014, 12:24 PM.
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| humbletx | Jan 16 2014, 12:41 PM Post #12 |
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The answer in Jacksonville - move the team. Bridgewater is he a #1 pick? Some team other than the Texans will have make that call. Manziel - the dramatic improvement he made between his RSF and this season as a QB - was well worth watching. Now, would he has benefited with another year working with Whitfield in the off season and Sumlin a 3rd year? Of course. Will his physical size - as he isn't as tall or heavy as cause him to drop two, three or four slots in the draft? Manziel would be the so called "perfect fit" in cities where he won't wind up. Me, I'd love to see him in Aggieland than anywhere in the NFL.. Houston - of course all the locals wanna see the Tivy kid with the Texans - that won't happen - unless they trade down. O'Brien can coach up a QB - and the needs of the Texans go further than the QB position. Pairing up Clowney with Watts has some upside all things considered. Romeo would like that to say the least. The offensive line could use a talent like Matthews who will go in the top 10 trade down and draft him. IIRC they have the 1st pick in the second round - and there will be QB talent in the second round. It'll be interesting to see if Smith and O'Brien draft the pieces to get the Texans back on track. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 16 2014, 12:55 PM Post #13 |
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Afdter Teddy, Manziel, Bortles, and Carr, you may not see another QB go off the board for a while. I am intrigued by Mettenberger. He will not play this next season because of his knee but he has a ton of upside. I can see a team taking a shot at him in the 4th. I think it would be a future value pick, but most teams see a 4th round pick as one that needs to make hay today. |
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| humbletx | Jan 16 2014, 01:17 PM Post #14 |
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4 in the 1st round - that ain't a bad # draft wise. No basis, no reason - the Texans draft a QB in the 2nd round. Contingent upon what Smith can get in return for that #1 pick. There will be several seasoned NFL QB's on the street - O'Brien can nab one of those - and run his offense in 2014. Draft down - and say get the kid outta Alabama see if he has NFL in him - while fixing some of the issues, many of them cap related. It'll suck ass if Manziel winds up in some NFL hell hole - for some reason he seems like a Pittsburg kinda player. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 16 2014, 03:38 PM Post #15 |
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Teddy Bridgewater not seen as first-rounder by some NFL teamsReportedly he also has tiny hands, which is negative among NFL GMs. |
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