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The Effect Of The New Officiating Rules
Topic Started: Nov 13 2013, 08:51 AM (303 Views)
*JollyVolly
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Oh yeah....one of us is going to have to call Bill Self and let him know that his team and coaching isn't very good, since he got completely dismantled by a Florida 1-3-1 defense last week.....I think I'll let you tackle that one.....
Edited by JollyVolly, Dec 13 2013, 09:21 AM.
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Sapientvol
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Hey, I'm not denigrating your coaching ability, there's no reason to get defensive. I'm just stating that it's easy to run any defense against teams who don't practice much and aren't really coached how to attack a particular defense. Which is pretty much all youth league teams.

There are great teams who are coached by excellent coaches who specialize in the 1-3-1 defense. John Beilein at Michigan is a great example.

Most use it as a disruptive defense and it's great if the other team has an excellent post player, you can really disrupt his game with a 1-3-1. I'm just pointing out the weaknesses of the defense and how to attack it.

And I really didn't go into detail, just generalities. I like the defense, for a zone, but I'm a man to man guy. You've really got to practice a zone a lot for it to be effective. If I think I've got better players, and not much time to coach them, I'm going man to man.

Edited by Sapientvol, Dec 13 2013, 12:15 PM.
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*JollyVolly
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I never said you denigrated my coaching ability...you have no idea what my abilities are, so even if you had, it would mean nothing to me. I'm just trying to explain that some of your ideas concerning that defense are wrong...and why they are wrong. If you don't believe me....I'm OK with that as well......
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Sapientvol
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Naw, I'm not wrong about what I posted. I didn't rely upon my memory entirely, I read several articles about both playing and attacking a 1-3-1 defense. They reinforced that what I experienced playing in that defense (and posted) was fairly much the norm.

I'm sure how you run it works for you and that's great. I bet you are a great coach.

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*JollyVolly
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well actually, you are....on several points...

I don't coach any more....son has aged out.....
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As I said, I'm not wrong on any points I made. You might disagree, but that doesn't make me wrong.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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*JollyVolly
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oh yeah?
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*TennesseeTuxedo
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Going back to my playing days, my junior high coach used the 1-3-1 as a trapping defense with the back player running the baseline, much as Sapient discussed . We successfully trapped other teams and used it to not just stop the other team, but to take the ball away from them.

In high school, we used it more like JV was talking about. The wing guy had back door responsibility. The back guy still ran the baseline, but we diode not trap as much out of it. Our wings were extended a bit and overl played the wings to try and create turnovers there. We had a dent big man, so we got aggressive on the entry pass to the wing. The baseline player played the corner, but the wing did not trap. When the ball went into the corner, he fell back and created the Box that JV discussed.

The 1-3-1 can be played in different ways that the both of you discussed.

I am happy to see some basketball discussion. I hope we see more of it.
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I hope we have a reason for more BB discussion!
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Sapientvol
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JV and I have argued for years on message boards. Sometimes we argue so long on a topic that we switch sides.

I guess my point of disagreement with Jolly on the 1-3-1, is that SOMEBODY has to close out the corner. Apparently he just conceded the corner shot and kept the defense tight. And I pointed out you can do that in a youth league, where the other team likely doesn't have anybody who can hit that shot, but you can't concede that corner shot against better competition.

Could you image what Chris Lofton would do against a 1-3-1 defense that didn't send somebody to defend the corner?

60 points a game or so? That's just 20 threes, not too hard for him to do unguarded.



Edited by Sapientvol, Dec 14 2013, 06:19 PM.
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*TennesseeTuxedo
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Poor free throw shooting and even worse post play did us in today.

The turning point in the game when Maymon got lazy going hop for a lay up and let the 6'3" Cotton block his lay up when we attacked there half court press. Cotton turned around finished at the other end. That was a 4 point swing that changed the entire game.

Hubbs still plays like a freshman. He is not ready to step up and help the team much right now, which is a shame because we need some folks who can stroke jumpers. Richardson has not improved his play this season. In fact, with the new rules in effect, he looks and plays slower than he used to.
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*JollyVolly
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Sapientvol
Dec 14 2013, 06:15 PM
JV and I have argued for years on message boards. Sometimes we argue so long on a topic that we switch sides.

I guess my point of disagreement with Jolly on the 1-3-1, is that SOMEBODY has to close out the corner. Apparently he just conceded the corner shot and kept the defense tight. And I pointed out you can do that in a youth league, where the other team likely doesn't have anybody who can hit that shot, but you can't concede that corner shot against better competition.

Could you image what Chris Lofton would do against a 1-3-1 defense that didn't send somebody to defend the corner?

60 points a game or so? That's just 20 threes, not too hard for him to do unguarded.



I NEVER said I didn't cover the corner.....if I wanted it covered. I DID say that when our defense was spread, the baseline defender had to run side to side the same distance as the 1 defender at the top, as they covered the same distance to create traps. Then I went batshit crazy and said that the 2 & 3 defenders had to cover the same amount of space back to front, also to create traps. This enabled traps in the corners....when we wanted traps in the corners. There were times when we expanded the zone to the slide lines and half court....just depending on what our opponent was doing. None of this required track stars.

One hand signal....we kept the zone tight....
Another hand signal....we spread the zone and trapped corners....

If you're going to summarize what I say....you ought to try to actually, you know....summarize what I say, not what you think or dreamed I said because you can't grasp the theory or are too hard headed to acknowledge you don't know everything in the world.

I think this can best be summarized by comparing somebody who actually DID what he's talking about as opposed to somebody who just thinks he knows everything and then opens his mouth and proves he doesn't.
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