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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 11 2013, 08:47 AM Post #1 |
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It was brought up by a couple of posters on other sites that Butch may take over 40 commitments. Of course, the SEC rule is that you can not sign more than 25 players signed between February and May and 85 total players on scholarship. Then you have some current members of the team who may be leaving the program and some former players who have already left the program. The NCAA will allow you no more than 18 early enrollees. We also could have a few gray-shirted prospects. It all comes down to how many players leave the program……. Could Orangerev or anyone else with knowledge verify if this is possible? |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 11 2013, 08:54 AM Post #2 |
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For the record, it is here say and I don;t understand how we could take that large of a class without harming the academic rating that we worked so hard to improve recently. |
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| el diablo | Nov 12 2013, 11:06 AM Post #3 |
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They can take 30 total scholarships this year--25 this year, 5 will back count on last year. They can take 100 commits, can only except 30 scholarship players. Between not making grades, commits changing their minds and commits being encouraged to look elsewhere, it will be 30 in the end. JCs will all be Jan admissions unless a CP shows up. It makes a big difference. I just saw our DL's SR and JR class--YIKES! That is why the JC's are so important there. I don't know about harming academic ratings. Butch has a good record of academic achievement and Doug Matthews is very high on the new guy from Mizzou running the program. He has already made a big difference--see perfect score. |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 12 2013, 12:40 PM Post #4 |
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My math has us with 31 slots, but I believe one of those slots is going to Swafford, so that means (as El Diablo stated) that we have 30 slots. What I think we are going to see heading into National Signing Day is many more than 30 verbal commitments. Every year, we go into NSD wondering who will be the players filling the remaining slots ... this year, I think we are going to go into NSD wondering which verbal commitments will not be signed. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 15 2013, 09:56 AM Post #5 |
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I read somewhere that we will actually have 32 spots, as long as Swaufford gets his scholarship. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 15 2013, 09:59 AM Post #6 |
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New this morning……
What some fans are referencing is that, if the players don't sign an LOI, technically there is no contract, but they can sign scholarship papers at a later date. Technically the spot isn't guaranteed. So I assume it doesn't count against your numbers. The number to pay attention to, in that case, appears to be the AA 85 limit, which will not be a problem. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 15 2013, 10:01 AM Post #7 |
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They count against the 25 for this year if they are considered an initial counter or "recruited" player. The post's below go over what is considered a recruited player.
More from the website athleticscholarships.net
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 15 2013, 10:03 AM Post #8 |
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So why would the Vols take so many players in this class when we have the 2015 signing class to remember and worry about? The thought process likely is this: Well all it does is eat into our 2015 scholarship limit of 25 and obviously they would count toward the 85 that year. But it is very likely that we are only going to be able to sign 20-22 in 2015 anyway due to the lack of seniors on next years roster. So why not push 3 or 5 guys from this year toward that class, especially while recruiting is so hot? You can get them on roster and start developing those players. If we bring in 30 something players this year then we can redshirt 15 or so of them and they would go towards that class anyway. Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Nov 15 2013, 10:04 AM.
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 15 2013, 10:20 AM Post #9 |
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I have no idea what they may do with LOIs, greyshirts, etc. ... at this point, I'm focused on the 85 limit, and we will have anywhere between 30 and 33 openings for next year. Right now we have 82 on scholarship. (3) We have 20 scholarships that are awarded to Seniors (20) We have 1 Junior that will leave early, Richardson (1) We have 5 red-shirt Juniors with scholarships that will not be back: Pair, Grieco, Toney, Clark, and Carter (5) We have a walk-on with a complimentary scholarship that won't renew: Giampapa (1) We average about 3 scholarship losses in the off-season: team rule violations, homesick, transfers. (3) |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 24 2013, 08:23 PM Post #10 |
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We now have 34 commitments. From the numbers that OrangRev posted, we are not going to be able to take all of them without paying some penalties. So what happens? Do we take them all and accept penalties for oversigning? We sure could use better talent than we currently have. Are these guys worth accepting loss of scholarship penalties. I don't think so. So what happens? I believe that we ail see Dews gray-shirted. There is talk of blue-shirting a couple of players. I don't know how much f that is wishful thinking and how much reality? I'm not going to put any stock in that notion anytime soon. I'll play Missouri mule on that one-show me. The likely scenario is that we tell a few players that we are pulling our offer. That is difficult to do and it does harm your credence on the recruiting trail. We will likely lose a player here and there who opt to go somewhere else. We also could have a player or two not qualify and will have to go the JUCO or prep school route. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 24 2013, 08:34 PM Post #11 |
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Here are guys that I do not see leaving the program and who's offers will stick: * Jalen Hurd * Todd Kelly Jr. * Vic Wharton * Evan Berry * Elliot Berry * Dillon Bates * Neiko Creamer * Coleman Thomas * Daniel Helm * Ray Raulerson * Aaron Medley * Dontavius Blair * Jalen Hurd * Derek Barnett * Von Pearson * Orlando Brown * Ethan Wolf * D’Andre Payne * Joe Henderson * Orlando Brown * DaVonte Lambert * Emmanuel Moseley * Dewayne Hendrix * Dimarya Mixon * Cory Thomas * Rashaaun Golden The guys that concern me of recommitting, not making grades, or being recruited over include: * Trayvon Paulk-(Gray-Shirt due to injury) * Jerome Dews - (Gray-Shirt) * Gavin Bryant (Grades or offer from Auburn or Bama) * Chris Weathered - offer from Texas A&M on the table * Cortez McDowell (Hearing he is not as firm as we would like) * Kevin Mouhon - hearing he is not as firm as we would like * Dominique Booth - possibly recruited over and could head elsewhere. If we have 34 commitments and we lose the 7 players listed, it would drop us to 27 commitments. Prospects still high on our wish list include: * Josh Malone * Adoree Jackson * Charles Mosley * Jarren Reed * Calvin Heurtelou * Avery Gennessey * Darrell Williams Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Nov 24 2013, 08:37 PM.
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| Sapientvol | Nov 25 2013, 08:54 AM Post #12 |
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You've got Jalen Hurd listed twice. He could be worth two scholarships, but I would rather he just used one. |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 25 2013, 09:55 AM Post #13 |
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Again, Jerome Dews does not have a gray shirt offer. His offer is no different than any other player's offer. He specifically balked when Jones offered him a gray shirt initially, and committed only after that was removed. Thus, Dews is either part of this class or he will be told to "look around". He will not be a gray shirt. Edited by OrangeRev, Nov 25 2013, 09:57 AM.
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Nov 25 2013, 10:26 AM Post #14 |
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http://s1.zetaboards.com/thevolunteeronline/single/?p=401132&t=5167803- This is reportedly Jerome Dews father's remarks regarding gray-shirting. |
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| *OrangeRev | Nov 25 2013, 10:30 AM Post #15 |
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OK ... well, let me remove internet speculation that often clouds the facts and connect you with a real reference. Here's the quote from the Washington Post that I base my opinion upon:
Edited by OrangeRev, Nov 25 2013, 10:35 AM.
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