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| LonzoVol | Jan 21 2013, 10:03 PM Post #91 |
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Good job BJ. What AV conveniently fails to mention about Meyer's class is that over half the group and most of the higher ranked players were from the state of Ohio. 14 or maybe 15 members of his first class hail from the Buckeye State! Sumlin, just 19 players in his first class are native Texans! And Mustardchamp, 23 players from his first two classes are Florida prep products. Enough BS for one night AV, give it a rest! Edited by LonzoVol, Jan 21 2013, 10:11 PM.
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| Tnphil | Jan 21 2013, 10:29 PM Post #92 |
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Thats the point Lonzo....to compare us to FL...OSU etc.. is apples and water melons. I could recruit 4 and 5 stars on a tank of gas in Florida, Ohio, Bama etc.. |
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| LonzoVol | Jan 22 2013, 09:42 AM Post #93 |
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You nailed it Phil, but that doesn't fit AV's agenda. Here's the update for this year's verbals/early enrollees at those schools. Texas A&M 32 Commitments--23 from the state of Texas Ohio State-- 22 Commitments, 10 from the state of Ohio Florida-- 25 Commitments, 14 from the state of Florida and over half the rest from Georgia. |
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| humbletx | Jan 22 2013, 10:16 AM Post #94 |
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Meyer - Ohio native, and as high a profile coach as any team could hire. Damned fine recruiter in the SEC Saban - two years removed from dominating the SEC - the man was again, as high profile as they come to the game when he took the Bama job. damned fine recruiter Muschamp - his work at LSU and Auburn is well established, tossing in his playing career at UGa - high school coaches take all that into consideration. he has also been a damned good hard working recruiter. Sumlin - worked for a great recruiter at OU - busted his butt at UH - the move to A&M was as natural as one could be - and quite possibly the best at this recruiting game as anyone in the business. Mora - another "name" smack dab in the middle of a prime recruiting area (the same applies to all of the above) FWIW - i would think by now folks would grasp its not as difficult to recruit a top 15/20 nationally ranked recruiting class. How BJ stacks up vs UGa, Florida, South Carolina, Alabama, LSU, A&M, Auburn - Ole Miss and Arkansas is the deal maker - as a number of these programs fall in to that top 20 nationally class. Comparing what the mentioned HCes 1st year classes to BJ - overlooks the built in advantages the above brought to the table. IMO BJ does bring a different dynamic to Tennessee recruiting - and much more difficult to establish in a short time frame. |
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| humbletx | Jan 22 2013, 10:26 AM Post #95 |
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H'mmmm the 4/5 star recruits typically are national recruits - Using Florida as an example - not only does your tank of gas apply to UF, the same for FSU, Miami, as well as the rapidly growing directional schools in state. Alabama - instate rival AU does a nice job recruiting - and getting kids from Georgia - and Saban doesn't care where the recruits are, as he does have a big tank of gas. Ohio - Michigan gets a good # of kids from Ohio - PSU does from eastern Ohio. Recruiting is just that - the great ones look for difference makers, regardless of where they reside. Saban, after wandering off to Michigan and Florida to get RB's (Ingram and Richardson) he got him a local kid - but the greedy bastard has a commitment from Florida that looks like a good one.. |
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| AtlantaVol | Jan 22 2013, 10:54 AM Post #96 |
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For wagee, Phil, and anyone else in this thread: 1) It does NOT matter if someone has a better recruiting base in the big picture of things assuming you want UT to stay in the SEC. If so then ALL that matters right now is if you can IMPROVE the talent base and stay withing shouting distance of AL, UF, UGA, LSU, and Texas A&M who all WILL finish in the Top 10 in recruiting talent. BTW Ole Miss is about to jump well into the Top 10 when the #1 player in the country commits to them as they are already around #11 in recruiting. Vandy is around #15. All this "woe is us" talk about UT not having Plantations like the other southern states sounds a LOT like the Tennstud argument. TN has a higher population than all southern states except GA and FL. Part of the problem is that in TN the talent is concentrated in Memphis area- an area that Drool's essentially refused to do anything in except dabble. 2) For wagee specifically- I am not going to rail on Jones like I did Drool's because he is light years better HC than the worst HC in UT history. He will get his 4-5 years to prove himself. But I WILL predict that if he doesn't snag a Top 15 class in a few weeks from now that he will NOT win much at all the next 2 or possibly 3 years. This class is that important due to Drool's leaving him around 60 players where there is just a handfull of better than average SEC players but just as important is the fact there is so little SEC talent as depth on the 2nd units at UT it is scary bad. These FR that Jones recruits will immediately jump many a Drool's recruit into a 2nd team status from day one. These true FR will play a lot IMO. This class is simply a MUST and it doesn't matter in the big picture if UT is in a less than ideal recruiting spot. You recruit well in the SEC and you have a chance of winning. You don't recruit well like Dooley, and your chances of WINNING are very slim. There really isn't a weak HC in the SEC so you aren't going to win games with inferior talent by outcoaching other SEC teams. Get it done! Jones is making 3 Million bucks a year with a long contract. No excuses. Winning vs Losing depends on it. Book it Dano! |
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| AtlantaVol | Jan 22 2013, 11:04 AM Post #97 |
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Phil, you are missing the point. We ARE compared to ALL of these teams and many others on the field of play. Now unless you want to bolt the SEC and play in a less competition conference, this "he has a better recruiting base" is just an excuse for losers. If we want to stay in the SEC and play UGA, UF, and Bammer each and every year get used to the FACT that all 3 of these teams are going to be in the Top 10 recruited talent each and EVERY single season. Sooooo, if you want to WIN games in the SEC we need to recruit the talent. End of story. But the reason it is so damn urgent is look at UT's projected starting lineup and tell me how many would be Starters at those 3 schools above who are reeling in Top 5 classes year in and year out. But take it to another step and look at the scary situation UT see's itself with as far as 2nd team players at UT with the depth. It is scary bad how few SEC calibre players Drool's recruited. These True FR will IMO immediately on day 1 step into prime backup roles as 2nd team players. This 2013 class is vitally important if we want to win games the next 2-3 years. Dooley left us with a mess as far as upper level SEC players and depth. Jones has to fix that pronto or he won't win games in the SEC. |
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| LonzoVol | Jan 22 2013, 11:13 AM Post #98 |
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Entire offensive line could start at one of those three schools at least. AJ Johnson could start, McCullers could start and I would imagine a healthy Maggitt could start at one of them. I will yield on the fact that you have made some logical points in your last two posts in this thread. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 22 2013, 11:14 AM Post #99 |
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AV is right in that thus current class is just as important as any class. CBJ has had more tine than Kiffin and Dooley to put things together and getting on the ground running after being hired. Each if the previous coaches put together good inaugural classes in a short time. No reason that Jones should not do the same. |
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| AtlantaVol | Jan 22 2013, 01:11 PM Post #100 |
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Life isn't fair and Jones is working behind the 8 ball some due to Dooley's incompetance in flubbing the recruiting of National Top 20 recruits Herron and Ramsey inside the state of TN along with making it very hard to get Von Bell who is a National Top 40-50 player. Plus UT has dropped down in national prestige since KiffTard came in for the 2009 recruiting class. But Jones is making 3 Million a year and we do have to play in the SEC and meet up with UGA, UF, and Bammer every single season. So given that he simply must take it to the next level recruiting and do at least a Top 15'ish spot this year in talent. I am convinced there is very little SEC calibre talent in Knoxville as backups on the 2nd team due to Dooley's settling for signing lesser talented guys. So IMO the True FR can immediately jump into the 2nd team at many a position while challenging to start at several spots. I just think if Jones is going to have a decent chance at winning 7-8 games in 2013 and 2014 then he has to get it done now in recruiting. |
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| Tnphil | Jan 22 2013, 01:17 PM Post #101 |
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Fulmer had a top 10-12 class that Kiffin had to work off of.....Kiffin had a top 10 class that Dooley had to work off of. What did Dooley leave CBJ to work off of? IIRC a 45th ranked class! Apples to Oranges. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 22 2013, 01:19 PM Post #102 |
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Dooley jissed on some great players, but he did have some good players lined up and committed that we needed only to have BJ thumb his nose up at them. I realize that he has big fish hooks baited and in the water. Nomdoubt that we land some big fish. Hiwever, to pooh poih some good OL and JUCO DL makes me scratch my head. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Jan 22 2013, 01:20 PM Post #103 |
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Flummos last top rated classes all,fizzled and disappated before Kiffin arrived. So, they recruited off of a ghost/ myth. Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Jan 22 2013, 01:21 PM.
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| *Zippy | Jan 22 2013, 01:45 PM Post #104 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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The 2009 class Fulmer was putting together was top 5 when he was fired, IIRC. Kiffin dumped 1/2 of them and started over, ended up @ about 10. |
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| Tnphil | Jan 22 2013, 02:03 PM Post #105 |
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Thats right...Kiffin dumped them.....CBJ does not have the luxury of dumping a top 10 class. |
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