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Butch Jones - Vols Rise To The Top
Topic Started: Dec 11 2012, 06:28 PM (675 Views)
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If they drop their commitment because of a new coach, they may feel he doesn't have the type of personality they are comfortable with. If they keep their commitment and have doubts, they may find they were right about the coach not being the best one for them. Then they drop out of the program in a year or two. Other players will love him and be more committed to Tenn. That's my reasoning.

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It would be hard to assess BJ recruiting based on this class, whether it's highly ranked or not. It takes time to build relationships and this year it is late in the game to change much. When Dooley arrived, he had the ground work that Kiffen had done. As much as I can't stand him, Kiffin is a hell of a recruiter.
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Dec 27 2012, 10:55 AM
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It would be hard to assess BJ recruiting based on this class, whether it's highly ranked or not. It takes time to build relationships and this year it is late in the game to change much. When Dooley arrived, he had the ground work that Kiffen had done. As much as I can't stand him, Kiffin is a hell of a recruiter.
No. Kiffin's groundwork had very little to do with the recruits that committed after Dooley was hired. What you might not appreciate is that Kiffin was a horrid recruiter for Tennessee, and recruiting was not in a good place at all. As bad as Fulmer recruited toward the end of his reign, Kiffin was actually more painful. Dooley, on the other hand, has a pretty good system in place for Butch Jones. In other words, the groundwork that Butch Jones has in place is superior to what Dooley had in place.

Although Tennessee had been in contact under Kiffin's watch, the players that committed after Dooley was hired was because of Dooley. The "enrolled" players that committed after Dooley was hired came because of Dooley and not Kiffen.

James Stone actually rejected Tennessee because of Kiffin, saying "I liked Tennessee but I didn't want to go there with Lane Kiffin up there", and Alabama led with his commitment up until National Signing Day ... but then switched his commitment. Dooley turned Rajian Neal from Missy State and Da'Rick Rogers from Georgia (with a little package deal of Nash Nance from Vandy). Mychal Rivera didn't have Tennessee on his radar until after Dooley was hired and Dooley stole his 5th OV away from South Carolina. Justin Hunter had been committed to LSU for 9-10 months, but only after Dooley was hired did we see him start to talk about being closer to home and then he committed to Tennessee.



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Many of our commitments are now looking around...from Dan Skipper to Jason Carr. We are going after Auburn recruits and Cincinnati recruits, but we are looking down our noses at some top players that we need like Carr and Bradley. This is bothersome.
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Many of our commitments are now looking around...from Dan Skipper to Jason Carr. We are going after Auburn recruits and Cincinnati recruits, but we are looking down our noses at some top players that we need like Carr and Bradley. This is bothersome.
I think only Skipper is looking around ... Carr might at some point in January, but I don't think he is at the moment. All the other recruits seem solid to Tennessee at the moment.
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Jones has a tough road ahead of him. He's made a step up to the big leagues. He's been successful in the minor leagues, but can he hit major league pitching? That's the $18,000,000 question.
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It is looking as though Reeve Koehler is still leaning hard towards the Vols and is likely to select the Vols on national TV.
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Dec 27 2012, 06:02 PM
Jones has a tough road ahead of him. He's made a step up to the big leagues. He's been successful in the minor leagues, but can he hit major league pitching? That's the $18,000,000 question.
Well I guess the same could have been said at one time about Bo Schembeckler, Ara Parseghain, Woody Hayes, Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly, all coaches who had to start their careers as head coaches somewhere just as Butch Jones did and all of these coaches come out of the MAC Conference, long known as the Cradle of Coaches in college football. Jones' record in the MAC is equal to or better than all of those coaches. And Cincinnati, only one of four college teams to win 10 or more games for the last four seasons. I think the guy has already proven he can coach football.
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I think the guy has already proven he can coach football.
Yeah, I'm actually not concerned with his ability to coach players, unite them as a team, or motivate them ... I am really only concerned about two things.

(1) Can his staff recruit? I'm actually sort of optimistic about this, but I don't have any real facts to back up my feelings.

(2) Can his "schemes" work to win SEC championships. In my opinion, (a) pro-style offenses, (b) a defense-minded head coach, and/or a (c) "difference-maker key player" (e.g. Tebow or Cam) seem to be the ingredients to winning.

It seems to me that bUTch is bringing (a) high school / weak-team "spread" offenses, (b) an offense-minded head coach, and (c) Moneyball. It got the A's to the playoffs, but they can't get to a championship.

We honestly don't know anything right now because, as Tux inferred, his minor league experience may or may not work in the SEC. For every "Urban Meyer" out of the Cradle of Coaches, there are five Ron Zooks.
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I think Butch will be able to coach and motivate players for sure. You and I are on the same page Rev, I just dont know if he's going to be able to recruit well enough nor do I know whether or not his junk offense will work.

Butch is either going to be successful, or set us back another decade.
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IMO for CBJ's offense to work in the SEC he's gonna need a moble qb that can tuck it and run. A Tyler Bray type back there won't work with his offense and be real effective in this conference.
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I think the guy has already proven he can coach football.
Yeah, I'm actually not concerned with his ability to coach players, unite them as a team, or motivate them ... I am really only concerned about two things.

(1) Can his staff recruit? I'm actually sort of optimistic about this, but I don't have any real facts to back up my feelings.

(2) Can his "schemes" work to win SEC championships. In my opinion, (a) pro-style offenses, (b) a defense-minded head coach, and/or a (c) "difference-maker key player" (e.g. Tebow or Cam) seem to be the ingredients to winning.

It seems to me that bUTch is bringing (a) high school / weak-team "spread" offenses, (b) an offense-minded head coach, and (c) Moneyball. It got the A's to the playoffs, but they can't get to a championship.

We honestly don't know anything right now because, as Tux inferred, his minor league experience may or may not work in the SEC. For every "Urban Meyer" out of the Cradle of Coaches, there are five Ron Zooks.
Ron Zook was never a head coach in the MAC conference nor has he ever been a successful head coach anywhere.
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Originally Posted by :With the Army game ending a number of Tennessee coaches are down in San Antonio waiting to do some visits tonight with players and their families. The usual names like Derrick Green, Marquez North, Shelton Gibson, Jalen Ramsey and Christian Morris will probably all be seen if not more.One additional name we're hearing the Vols will likely see tonight is Frank Herron, the defensive end out of Memphis. Apparently there is some interest from Herron, at least enough for him to listen. We'll be hitting the phones hard tomorrow to try and bring as many updates as we can about the staff's extensive travels from this weekend, and they were extensive.-Fortenberry
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Originally Posted by :With the Army game ending a number of Tennessee coaches are down in San Antonio waiting to do some visits tonight with players and their families. The usual names like Derrick Green, Marquez North, Shelton Gibson, Jalen Ramsey and Christian Morris will probably all be seen if not more.One additional name we're hearing the Vols will likely see tonight is Frank Herron, the defensive end out of Memphis. Apparently there is some interest from Herron, at least enough for him to listen. We'll be hitting the phones hard tomorrow to try and bring as many updates as we can about the staff's extensive travels from this weekend, and they were extensive.-Fortenberry
That's encouraging. Good luck to the coaches as they attempt to turn some guys. The Tennessee brand is tarnished right now, but just a hand full of playmakers could make a huge difference moving forward.
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Marques North had this to say...
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"“I’m real tight with Carolina and Tennessee,” North said. He is the nation’s No. 8 receiver and No. 79 prospect overall according to the 247Composite. “I still have Clemson in the mix because I’m eager to see what they have to offer because I haven’t taken an official and haven’t got to see them in-depth yet.”North did get a chance to see Tennessee the weekend of Oct. 20, and new head coach Butch Jones has struck all the right chords thus far.“Butch Jones, I like the way he approached me,” North said. “He was real straight forward. He was actually the first head coach to come into my house. That was a big for me.”So was the way Jones’s offense played when he was at Cincinnati.“They stretch the field and hit the seams and that’s what I like about him,” North said."
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