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Verizon Handed Over Data To NSA
Topic Started: Jun 6 2013, 03:26 PM (208 Views)
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So the NSA has been collecting millions of files of data of phone calls made by Verizon customers, as part of a way, as they say, makes us safer. So the Obama Regime says.

We live in a police state, because they say it makes us safer. I'm not buying it. Are you?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/06/nsa-collecting-phone-records-for-millions-verizon-customers-report-says/
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Still, how in the world did Snowden get a top secret clearance ... multiple commitment failures should have put up red flags.
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Snowden is hero for what he is doing.

He has not exposed any acts , just the practice and application-which violate our Constitutional rights.
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Jun 10 2013, 02:40 PM
Snowden is hero for what he is doing.

He has not exposed any acts , just the practice and application-which violate our Constitutional rights.
I'm not sure what he is exposing and what he is surmising. I know that there are classified courts that authorize wire-taps and other surveillance, but if he is correct in saying that the government is doing this outside of any court authorization ... well that is quite troubling. (Honestly, he might just be surmising that).

As for the whole Verizon thing, I'm much more concerned about marketing companies getting that information than the government.
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Jun 10 2013, 03:09 PM
TennesseeTuxedo
Jun 10 2013, 02:40 PM
Snowden is hero for what he is doing.

He has not exposed any acts , just the practice and application-which violate our Constitutional rights.
I'm not sure what he is exposing and what he is surmising. I know that there are classified courts that authorize wire-taps and other surveillance, but if he is correct in saying that the government is doing this outside of any court authorization ... well that is quite troubling. (Honestly, he might just be surmising that).

As for the whole Verizon thing, I'm much more concerned about marketing companies getting that information than the government.
Have you been paying attention to what has been going on with the White House? They have used the DOJ to tap the phones of reporters and have charged them with treasonous charges. They have used the IRS to target their political enemies and silence them and anyone remotely tied to them....and you are not worried about the Obama Regime abusing this? :eek:
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Not really.

I would not think of the NSA as being twisted by the Obama Regime, or being a political tool. The NSA can be a little "cowboy" with it's pursuits, mostly because there's some CIA folks that end up over there ... and CIA folks are notorious in their lack of ethics in pursuing goals. But, those goals have a national interest and not a political interest.

I say this, however, with a bit of a dated perspective (I once had an NSA clearance). Things could have changed in the last 10 years.



(Right now, I don't call him a hero ... I call him a traitor for compromising national secrets entrusted to him. But, I will remain open in case there's genuinely wire tapping going on without court orders).
Edited by OrangeRev, Jun 10 2013, 05:33 PM.
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Snowden's girlfriend is a stripper? This story gets more interesting by the moment ...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/snowden-girlfriend-nsa-mills-photos-131840670.html
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LIstening to the radio today, you have a group trying to destroy this guys's credibility and image.
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Jun 11 2013, 09:33 PM
LIstening to the radio today, you have a group trying to destroy this guys's credibility and image.
A 29-year old high school drop-out with no post-secondary degrees who is making $200,000, working for Booz Hamilton, and holding an NSA security clearance tells me one of three things:

(a) He is a genius
(b) He is sleeping around
(c) His daddy is the president of Booz Hamilton

I don't think it is (c)
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When you get right down to it, every goal the CIA has is political (as is, frankly, the NSA). What is becoming more common, however, is that these goals are becoming more and more about domestic politics rather than foreign. Particularly so since 2000.

The whole Valerie Plame thing, for example. That was as close to an attempted coup (orchestrated by the CIA) as we've ever had in the US. I doubt it's gotten better since.
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Jun 12 2013, 08:24 AM
When you get right down to it, every goal the CIA has is political (as is, frankly, the NSA). What is becoming more common, however, is that these goals are becoming more and more about domestic politics rather than foreign. Particularly so since 2000.

The whole Valerie Plame thing, for example. That was as close to an attempted coup (orchestrated by the CIA) as we've ever had in the US. I doubt it's gotten better since.
The Obama Regime is in the process of winning a coup d'etat right now. That is what this is all about.
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Whatever Obama is doing, it's not a coup. He's the president.
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Jun 10 2013, 05:29 PM
Not really.

I will remain open in case there's genuinely wire tapping going on without court orders).
Case closed....

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls

What now?

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Jun 16 2013, 11:11 PM
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Jun 10 2013, 05:29 PM
Not really.

I will remain open in case there's genuinely wire tapping going on without court orders).
Case closed....

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls

What now?

I think Nadler is confused in his precise understanding. See the YouTube video below for context. I say that he is confused with that comment specifically because his spokesman, James Owen, corrected Nadler's statements the next day.




What may be going on (and this would not surprise me) is exactly what the article seems to conclude. That is, NSA is "vacuuming" up all communications that it can get its hands on and then archiving it in some sort of storage facility. If at some point in the future when there is a person of interest, there is then the potential to go back through the communications history of an individual (this latter task is done with a court order).

If NSA is clearly archiving content information of phone conversations and emails (but keeping those contents sealed), is this illegal? I can understand the logic of how one might think that this is OK from a legal standpoint, but it seems to me to be crossing the line.

Could an analyst then access content? If NSA does not have safeguards on that data, then that is a HUGE problem ... what makes sense giving all the smoke is that they might have the policy in place, but not the infrastructure to protect it.
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