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Super Conferences Coming Your Way
Topic Started: May 8 2013, 07:10 AM (440 Views)
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humbletx
Jan 21 2014, 11:21 PM
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Jan 21 2014, 10:50 PM
They will when the new super conferneces or division comes into being-if they want to play for all the marbles.
When the 8 team play-off kicks off - the 5 get their snoots in the trough - leaving 3 slots open.. ND gets its own - then the conferences have to dole out the dollars.

When talking about seats and the table - ND owns the table..





Not these days.
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Jan 21 2014, 11:27 PM
humbletx
Jan 21 2014, 11:21 PM
TennesseeTuxedo
Jan 21 2014, 10:50 PM
They will when the new super conferneces or division comes into being-if they want to play for all the marbles.
When the 8 team play-off kicks off - the 5 get their snoots in the trough - leaving 3 slots open.. ND gets its own - then the conferences have to dole out the dollars.

When talking about seats and the table - ND owns the table..





Not these days.
Toots, you swinging on M. Emmert's ball sac is hilarious.

The major schools have moved - Emmert has driven the NCAA off the cliff - and its obvious why.

Again, there are a handful of major players in the game of college football - Notre Dame is a major player.



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ND will not have a get in free card like they used to. When this all occurs, ND will have to fall in line and join a conference if they want in. The ACC will not let them be a part-time ember when this occurs. They will have fish or cut bait.
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Jan 21 2014, 11:48 PM
ND will not have a get in free card like they used to. When this all occurs, ND will have to fall in line and join a conference if they want in. The ACC will not let them be a part-time ember when this occurs. They will have fish or cut bait.
Lets just leave it to opinions.

With the focus on football (nevermind you're tying all this to M. Emmert and the NCAA) ND has no need to be in a conference.

Again, you seem to believe the 4 team play-off is set in stone - it isn't. And FWIW going to an 8 team play-off is much easier than expansion of a conference.


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The 4 team playoff will last about 8 seasons from what some folks have said before it is expanded.

We are going to a full blown 16 team playoff eventually.

ND will have to get in a conference sooner or later. They do not awe anyone these days. They are no different than Rice University in regards to their current importance to college football.
Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Jan 22 2014, 12:17 AM.
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TennesseeTuxedo
Jan 21 2014, 11:48 PM
ND will not have a get in free card like they used to. When this all occurs, ND will have to fall in line and join a conference if they want in. The ACC will not let them be a part-time ember when this occurs. They will have fish or cut bait.
NBC's unique relationship with Notre Dame has been the one thing that has kept them out of the conference alignments for so long, but it is clear to me that the recent deal with the ACC is a step toward what will eventually happen - they will eventually merge their broadcast rights and schedule with the ACC.

The only question is really on the timing, and if this happens then the timing will be sooner rather than later.
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In the a ACC a team can have its own network and not share the proceeds from it with the conference.
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Jan 22 2014, 09:35 AM
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Jan 21 2014, 11:48 PM
ND will not have a get in free card like they used to. When this all occurs, ND will have to fall in line and join a conference if they want in. The ACC will not let them be a part-time ember when this occurs. They will have fish or cut bait.
NBC's unique relationship with Notre Dame has been the one thing that has kept them out of the conference alignments for so long, but it is clear to me that the recent deal with the ACC is a step toward what will eventually happen - they will eventually merge their broadcast rights and schedule with the ACC.

The only question is really on the timing, and if this happens then the timing will be sooner rather than later.
The unique business relationship - is in parallel to the one UA just signed with ND.

The unworkable 16 team play-off is a dead give away why ND won't be conference member in football. There aren't 16 teams year in and out worthy of a playoff that size. Looking at the last BCS championship - one could say there weren't 4.


Expanding to a 16 team football league isn't going to somehow improve the quality of teams within any conference. (Using the SEC as an example - 4 teams stand out - Alabama, LSU, Auburn & Florida. Then the two newest members - Missouri & A&M - and neither of these programs have that year in and out staying power.

Universities aren't going to made decisions based on football either.

Now take a look at the anchor programs in conferences outside the SEC.

The ACC - FSU and Miami.

The Big 12 - Texas and OU

PAC 12 - USC

Big 10 - Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State.

then Notre Dame.

Yes, every decade some program will have a nice 3 to 5 year run (Tennessee in the 90's - recent vintage South Carolina, Michigan State, Clemson, Oklahoma State)

Then the question where do the expansion to 16 teams in a conference come from.

The on the surface targets would be what happens to the Big 12. Texas & OU based on the rivalry and winning are anchor programs - and in lots of folks opinions remain "west". That leaves TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, WVa, etc. filler in any conference. Others that come in to play - Colorado State, the two directional schools in Florida, UCF & USF, and Cincinnati.

Then the Big 12 could expand to 12 - nabbing one of the directional Florida schools and Colorado State.

Anyway - anyone who takes M. Emmert & the NCAA seriously - shouldn't.

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Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
Update - ND just signed the richest shoe contract in the game - UA - with zero advertising in the stadium.

humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
The unique business relationship - is in parallel to the one UA just signed with ND.
What in blue blazes does your rambling about an apparel contract have to do with conference affiliation?
Edited by OrangeRev, Jan 22 2014, 12:14 PM.
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Jan 22 2014, 10:42 AM
In the a ACC a team can have its own network and not share the proceeds from it with the conference.
Oh ... really? Well that explains why Notre Dame went that direction.
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Jan 22 2014, 12:13 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
Update - ND just signed the richest shoe contract in the game - UA - with zero advertising in the stadium.

humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
The unique business relationship - is in parallel to the one UA just signed with ND.
What in blue blazes does your rambling about an apparel contract have to do with conference affiliation?
Money - isn't that why there is all this yapping about super conferences.

IIRC - NBC and ND signed a deal that runs through 2025 within the last year.

Now, the Domers have added another 9 million per year to their revenue stream - over a similar time frame.

If conference membership is all about making the 4 team play-off that kicks off in 2014 - or the 8 team play-off that is down the road, so be it. IMV ND doesn't see it that way.
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ND will get left out of a 4 team playoff unless they are undefeated.

They have way more powerful people(Major conferences) that stand in their path. This is not the 1950's or 60's anymore.

NBC is not the network that will show the playoff be carried on.
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Jan 22 2014, 01:33 PM
ND will get left out of a 4 team playoff unless they are undefeated.

They have way more powerful people(Major conferences) that stand in their path. This is not the 1950's or 60's anymore.

NBC is not the network that will show the playoff be carried on.

The BCS outlived its usefulness - as will the 4 team play-off.

IMV the 4 team format won't live as long as ND's contract with NBC. FWIW the 4 team play-off doesn't *fit* within the 5 existing major conferences either.

ND has made some good moves - dropped some of its traditional games, Purdue, Navy, and replaced them with games "down south" - teams in the ACC.. (IIRC a conference you were predicting to blow up just a few short months ago) Show time in the south only helps them recruiting wise.








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Jan 22 2014, 01:21 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 12:13 PM
humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
Update - ND just signed the richest shoe contract in the game - UA - with zero advertising in the stadium.

humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
The unique business relationship - is in parallel to the one UA just signed with ND.
What in blue blazes does your rambling about an apparel contract have to do with conference affiliation?
Money - isn't that why there is all this yapping about super conferences.
With regard to Notre Dame, it was whether or not they will be shut out of the national championship picture unless they align with a conference.

The brand of shoe they wear does not influence such things -- conferences do not make apparel deals.
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Jan 22 2014, 06:48 PM
humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 01:21 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 12:13 PM
humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
Update - ND just signed the richest shoe contract in the game - UA - with zero advertising in the stadium.

humbletx
Jan 22 2014, 11:51 AM
The unique business relationship - is in parallel to the one UA just signed with ND.
What in blue blazes does your rambling about an apparel contract have to do with conference affiliation?
Money - isn't that why there is all this yapping about super conferences.
With regard to Notre Dame, it was whether or not they will be shut out of the national championship picture unless they align with a conference.

The brand of shoe they wear does not influence such things -- conferences do not make apparel deals.

ND will not have a get in free card like they used to. When this all occurs, ND will have to fall in line and join a conference if they want in. The ACC will not let them be a part-time ember when this occurs. They will have fish or cut bait.

NBC's unique relationship with Notre Dame has been the one thing that has kept them out of the conference alignments for so long, but it is clear to me that the recent deal with the ACC is a step toward what will eventually happen - they will eventually merge their broadcast rights and schedule with the ACC.

The above come from yourself and Toots.

#1 - the shoe deal is just and indication of the "value" of ND.

#2 - NBC was the leader in doing the new deal with ND - which IINM was of a 5 year nature, prior to this one. This deal insures ND home games are broadcast nationally on Saturday in prime time football slots. There is no conference that can put a select team in to a similar situation - ACC, PAC12, Big10, SEC.

# 3 - the 4 team play-off. Short lived. IIRC its a 12 year deal, at best.

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