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OK BJ's First Recruiting Class Is A Bust
Topic Started: Feb 5 2013, 08:40 PM (716 Views)
leonsking
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Wow, this place ain't got much of a pulse as it is, now the losers from OM have infected this site. I think there is going to be an additional surprise in store in the am, and some of you guys are going feel stupid.
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I want to feel stupid ... please.

But, I've noticed over the last 2-3 recruiting cycles that things are pretty well known on recruiting day - no surprises. The only players that I've "pre-queued" for the front page are Miller, Bell and Dobbs ... there's also a shot at Tyler Boyd and Malik Brown, but I'm less optimistic on them ... and Bellamy is probably only a possibility if he delays signing with UGA tomorrow.

Butch might also sign some 2-star fillers or perhaps give a scholly to a kicker somewhere.
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Feb 6 2013, 12:19 AM
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Feb 5 2013, 11:35 PM
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So you think Jones is stupid. You're right if he didn't know what he was getting into. At least you're on the record calling him stupid. Let's hope your insight is wrong.
No. I don't think he's stupid. I think he doesn't know what he's gotten himself into. Naive is the word that comes to mind ... the main thing that has driven me bonkers was not bringing in more coaches that had SEC recruiting experience / relationships.

The SEC is not just about who can coach the best. I'm sure he has a good coaching staff, but I believe recruiting is 60% of the job.

But, perhaps he has the raw talent on this staff to be good recruiters down the road, and 2013 is just a blip.
How many more coaches will become millionaires on their way out the door at UT?

This is just crazy.
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leonsking
Feb 6 2013, 12:44 AM
Wow, this place ain't got much of a pulse as it is, now the losers from OM have infected this site. I think there is going to be an additional surprise in store in the am, and some of you guys are going feel stupid.
No, it's like many have posted about Jones bringing a MAC staff to the SEC and saying it was the best staff in America. I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe it now. How many BCS bowls did Cincinnati play in? He had a much easier path in the Big East than the SEC. I hope he wins and wins big. He's just behind the 8 ball and doesn't realize it. He can't get the players without winning and he can't win without the players. It's a classic catch-22 situation to me.
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Where did Urban Meyer come from? Jones "doesn't realize" he is behind the 8 ball. Only the fans know Jones is behind the 8 ball. If the fans are right, we're doomed!
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There are actually signings going on today???
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You have to be very very concerned about this staff. They did not take care of business on the recruiting trail. This was not all Dooley's fault. Butch and his staff did not close well and that is cause for concern.

They had some great prospects in down the stretch and all of the right signals were given. Butch and his staff pkayed the visits up and out out all kinds of PR. The recruits milked it. The recruiting analysts said that there was no way that Levenberry could not flip to UT after his visit. They said that Bell was a lock after his visit.

Bottom line is that Butch Jones did not close the deals.
Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Feb 6 2013, 10:23 AM.
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When you hire a mid major coach and then let him just bring over his mid major staff and give them big raises, you're probably going to end up with mid major talent.There's really no excuse for this. We got out-recruited by Vanderbilt. We got our ass handed to us by Ole Miss. This staff only had two months to recruit? Well so has Gus Malzahn and look at his class. Penn State got the virtual death penalty and Bill O'Brien is still out-recruiting Butch Jones.I've given Jones the benefit of the doubt up until now, but today I have to say that I have some serious doubts about his recruiting
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Feb 6 2013, 10:42 AM
When you hire a mid major coach and then let him just bring over his mid major staff and give them big raises, you're probably going to end up with mid major talent.There's really no excuse for this. We got out-recruited by Vanderbilt. We got our ass handed to us by Ole Miss. This staff only had two months to recruit? Well so has Gus Malzahn and look at his class. Penn State got the virtual death penalty and Bill O'Brien is still out-recruiting Butch Jones.I've given Jones the benefit of the doubt up until now, but today I have to say that I have some serious doubts about his recruiting
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Again, CBJ chose loyalty over great recruiting coaches. He tried with Tee, but lost out to the LA music scene for his wife. Loyalty is good for installing off, def, and knowing what the HC wants in a player. Dooley left him in a steaming pile recruiting wise. Kiffin left Dooley a top 20 class.

Ole Miss just out recruited Bammer for a couple of players, so we are not alone there. It is his 2nd year there after a winning season. I have said this and I will say it again--Ole Miss and MSU cannot compete in the SEC without cheating. Auburn can't hang with Bammer without cheating.

Vonn Bell just signed with OSU. Hide the sharp objects.
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This is the worst signing class in memory for UT. It sucks big fat mean donkey balls.

As Rev pointed out, this staff had better be able to coach their asses off. If not, we are going to get flattened like a pancake for the next several seasons. We are stuck with Butch for the next four to five years minimum, even if we stink up the joint.

We had better hope that Butch can hold onto Tommy Thigpen because he is our only elite recruiter and he will be in high demand come November. Of course Butch could always replace him with another MAC recruiter.
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Feb 6 2013, 10:42 AM
When you hire a mid major coach and then let him just bring over his mid major staff and give them big raises, you're probably going to end up with mid major talent.There's really no excuse for this. We got out-recruited by Vanderbilt. We got our ass handed to us by Ole Miss. This staff only had two months to recruit? Well so has Gus Malzahn and look at his class. Penn State got the virtual death penalty and Bill O'Brien is still out-recruiting Butch Jones.I've given Jones the benefit of the doubt up until now, but today I have to say that I have some serious doubts about his recruiting
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Other than Thig and Martinez who was available to hire? Azzani was in the big 10, and JG has coached in the SEC. That's four top flight recruiters not counting the HC. He closed as well as can be expected by reasonable people. But of course you are far from reasonable.

You guys think a coach can just snap his fingers and these kids will come running. It's going to be a loooooong off season for some of you guys.
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Your post turned out to be spot on. If we can't land a 5 star DB within throwing distance who grew up a big orange fan all his life, then you can't close. I know Dooley messed that up a lot but that is no excuse when you look around and see Vandy, Ole Miss, and Kentucky getting big name players. Gosh UT football is so screwed right now. We may never be good again. We should have just kept Fulmer. At least he could get big name players without cheating.
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leonsking
Feb 6 2013, 11:51 AM
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Feb 6 2013, 10:42 AM
When you hire a mid major coach and then let him just bring over his mid major staff and give them big raises, you're probably going to end up with mid major talent.There's really no excuse for this. We got out-recruited by Vanderbilt. We got our ass handed to us by Ole Miss. This staff only had two months to recruit? Well so has Gus Malzahn and look at his class. Penn State got the virtual death penalty and Bill O'Brien is still out-recruiting Butch Jones.I've given Jones the benefit of the doubt up until now, but today I have to say that I have some serious doubts about his recruiting
ability.
Other than Thig and Martinez who was available to hire? Azzani was in the big 10, and JG has coached in the SEC. That's four top flight recruiters not counting the HC. He closed as well as can be expected by reasonable people. But of course you are far from reasonable.

You guys think a coach can just snap his fingers and these kids will come running. It's going to be a loooooong off season for some of you guys.
The coaching situation is not "way" off, but he did need to have about 2 more recruiters with SEC-level connections. His biggest mistake, in my opinion, was not retaining Pittman and Brandon Staley. That would be 4-5 quality players and both are good coaches.
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Feb 6 2013, 12:00 PM
We should have just kept Fulmer. At least he could get big name players without cheating.
Agreed.

If we had kept Fulmer, he would have probably been retired by now and I would speculate that our current recruiting and record would be significantly better than where we are currently.

IMO, all of this turnover is absolutely killing us.
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leonsking
Feb 6 2013, 11:51 AM
He closed as well as can be expected by reasonable people. But of course you are far from reasonable.
Who did he close with?
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