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Is Dool's Leaving us Better Off????
Topic Started: Oct 25 2012, 02:27 PM (1,334 Views)
humbletx


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Oct 27 2012, 09:56 AM
The talent that Dooley has brought in is 100,000% better than he inherited. To say the opposite would be disingenuous

There were zero offensive linemen starters returning whe he arrived. Only on existing roster member that he inherited, played on the offensive line. The rest are his guys.

The talent he brought in at WR is superior to what was there when he arrived. There were three good recivers on the team whe arrived and one was a tight end. Two of them went on to the NFL There have been Dooley recruits who have or are as talented as any WR to ever play for UT.

We are in the best shape talent-wise at QB that we have been in some time.

We have not been able to land a true top shelf RB since Dooley has been here. Part of that is perception and reality of the scheme. That perception is in the process of being rectified on two frints. First, a top RB coach hire was in the process of helping to land a couple top ten RB prospects.

Dooley's first season saw 6 true freshmen starting on the offensive side of the ball.

There are probably 9-12 future NFL Draft picks on our offense. When Dooley arrived, what he inherited amounted to about 3 or 4 future NFL players. The increase in talent alone on offense is eye opening and speaks volumes of the job that Dooley has done restocking the cupbiard of talent.

On defense, we were starting several,walk-ons all over the field. Nick Reviez, Joseph Ayers, and other walk-ons and converted big bodies had to play on defense. It was not a pretty sight. Lookmahead iw and theremare no walk-ons starting or forced to play out of neccessity.

The Defensive line had been the hardest place to recruitmtop players, but Dooley recruited the JUCOs to nicely fill out the DL. There are at leastn3 guys on the DL who will be drafted.

At linebacker, we were starting Nick Reveiz and Austin Johnson. Both played with a lot of heart and character, but neither one had SEC talent, but Dooley had to play them because they were the best middle linebackers that he inherited. Now, we have AJ Johnson and Curt Maggitt. Both are huge upgrades over what was inherited.

Contrast the current front seven versus the one that was inherited. It is a difference in night and day.

Our secondary is improved from a talent standpoint. Remember Art Evans? Secondaries are always in a state of flux due to injuries and players confidence improving or going down. It is a tough position to play due to size, speed, and physical nature of the position.

Contrast what Dooley inherited to what is here now. There is no doubt that the cupboard of talent was almost completely empty when Dooley arrived at UT. He has done a good job of restocking the talent pool in a very tough situation.

My challenge to you is for you to detail how our talent level has not improved knowing these facts. You challnged me to discuss the talent and I have. Niw the ball is in your court and I eagerly await your retort.


While talking about NFL talent - the competition within the SEC is also loading up on NFL talent - LSU, South Carolina, Alabama, Texas A&M, UGa, Florida, Auburn.. At a rate faster than D. Dooley. Using the NFL metric Tennessee needs a HC who can recruit more NFL talent.

Looking at the future NFL'ers in the 2013 recruiting classes so far - Tennessee isn't keeping up - and it can be said falling behind the above mentioned programs..

Yes, the talent has improved, is it, under Derek Dooley at the point that Tennessee has become, once again a;

a) pipeline to the NFL
b) win in the SEC - which it appears comes in behind the NFL in your view..


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AtlantaVol


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Oct 27 2012, 09:56 AM
The talent that Dooley has brought in is 100,000% better than he inherited. To say the opposite would be disingenuous

There were zero offensive linemen starters returning whe he arrived. Only on existing roster member that he inherited, played on the offensive line. The rest are his guys.

The talent he brought in at WR is superior to what was there when he arrived. There were three good recivers on the team whe arrived and one was a tight end. Two of them went on to the NFL There have been Dooley recruits who have or are as talented as any WR to ever play for UT.

We are in the best shape talent-wise at QB that we have been in some time.

We have not been able to land a true top shelf RB since Dooley has been here. Part of that is perception and reality of the scheme. That perception is in the process of being rectified on two frints. First, a top RB coach hire was in the process of helping to land a couple top ten RB prospects.

Dooley's first season saw 6 true freshmen starting on the offensive side of the ball.

There are probably 9-12 future NFL Draft picks on our offense. When Dooley arrived, what he inherited amounted to about 3 or 4 future NFL players. The increase in talent alone on offense is eye opening and speaks volumes of the job that Dooley has done restocking the cupbiard of talent.

On defense, we were starting several,walk-ons all over the field. Nick Reviez, Joseph Ayers, and other walk-ons and converted big bodies had to play on defense. It was not a pretty sight. Lookmahead iw and theremare no walk-ons starting or forced to play out of neccessity.

The Defensive line had been the hardest place to recruitmtop players, but Dooley recruited the JUCOs to nicely fill out the DL. There are at leastn3 guys on the DL who will be drafted.

At linebacker, we were starting Nick Reveiz and Austin Johnson. Both played with a lot of heart and character, but neither one had SEC talent, but Dooley had to play them because they were the best middle linebackers that he inherited. Now, we have AJ Johnson and Curt Maggitt. Both are huge upgrades over what was inherited.

Contrast the current front seven versus the one that was inherited. It is a difference in night and day.

Our secondary is improved from a talent standpoint. Remember Art Evans? Secondaries are always in a state of flux due to injuries and players confidence improving or going down. It is a tough position to play due to size, speed, and physical nature of the position.

Contrast what Dooley inherited to what is here now. There is no doubt that the cupboard of talent was almost completely empty when Dooley arrived at UT. He has done a good job of restocking the talent pool in a very tough situation.

My challenge to you is for you to detail how our talent level has not improved knowing these facts. You challnged me to discuss the talent and I have. Niw the ball is in your court and I eagerly await your retort.
Tux,

I understand your point and I "thought" this also pre season. I really did.

But and this is a big BUT...

1) The offense has played OK but tons of turnover and tons of penalty's. They don't look on the same page and they give up as they did against UF and Bammer.

2) I don't care what you say about the defensive talent. Facts are facts and this 2012 UT Defense is statistically THE worst in the entire HISTORY of the UT FB program. This is true in every meaningful stat- Points Allowed, Pass Defense, Rush Defense, Sacks, Plays over 20 yards allowed, etc. You can just NOT say ANYTHING about defense talent with Conviction since they are horrid on the field.

So I am a RESULTS kind of guy- like you used to say you were back in the day. Now you are talking "on paper" talent.

BTW, are you watching the UT defense today against USCe??? They drove 80 yards with little difficulty on the first drive and just completed a long 30+ pass on 3rd and 12 to go. They are HORRID on the field.
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That's not the point of your post. That's the new point you are making, and I have not been arguing against it. The roster is far better today than when Dooley got here. If you arent arguing it isn't, I have no idea why you keep responding to me arguing about something else.

I'm really not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. I'm not even using any big words.
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AtlantaVol


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Oct 27 2012, 02:56 PM
That's not the point of your post. That's the new point you are making, and I have not been arguing against it. The roster is far better today than when Dooley got here. If you arent arguing it isn't, I have no idea why you keep responding to me arguing about something else.

I'm really not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. I'm not even using any big words.
Zipster, how on earth can so definitively say the UT talent is "better"??? As I said above, I also thought this preseason.

But a stat that is quite depressing just happened today. In the ENTIRE history of SEC Football only THREE teams have ever gone 0-5 in the SEC for THREE straight years. Those 3 teams are Kensucky, Candy, and now the 3 UT teams coached by Drool's.

Now another thing I posted multiple times over on OM before the season was that no matter what our talent might be, there wasn't a single solitary UT FB on the squad who had ever been on a good or even average team but also not one single player who was used to playing under pressure in the 4th quarter. Then this has happened:

1) Total meltdown in 4th quarter against UF

2) Had a chance against UGA late in 4th but then had Turnover.

3) Had a chance against MSU in the 4th quarter then Turnovers.

4) Had a chance against USCe and then Turnovers.

You catching the trend there? Maybe there is more talent on paper. But it isn't being coached and it isn't showing up in games- especially on defense. This UT team just went 0-5 in the SEC for the 3rd year in a row. In the entire HISTORY of the SEC only Vandy and KY had ever done this. We just joined a crappy bunch with Dooley's 3 years. But I have a hard time saying definitively that there is a shitload of talent on this wretched UT team
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clintonaldo


Gawdamn this thread has been fun to read and has brought back memories
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clintonaldo
Oct 28 2012, 09:29 PM
Gawdamn this thread has been fun to read and has brought back memories
Naldo, you going Streisand on us?....Memories, like the corners of my mind......
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AV...at this point we have played the 2nd hardest schedule in the nation. I'd say most if not all the teams ranked between 15-20 in the polls would have lost to the teams that have beaten us...

Not taking up for losing but you have to look at things the way they are. If our losses had come against teams outside the top 25 then I'd be really pissed. But we have not as of right now lost to a team out of the top 15.
Edited by Tnphil, Oct 28 2012, 10:00 PM.
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The teams that we have lost to are all ranked with a combined record of 36-5 and all 5 losses are to the same teams that beat us.

What cracks me up are those who are going ballistic over our loss to Alabama and how we lost.

I have some news for those folks.....Alabama has beaten every team that they have faced and they have annhilated every team that they have played.
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AtlantaVol


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Oct 28 2012, 09:46 PM
The teams that we have lost to are all ranked with a combined record of 36-5 and all 5 losses are to the same teams that beat us.

What cracks me up are those who are going ballistic over our loss to Alabama and how we lost.

I have some news for those folks.....Alabama has beaten every team that they have faced and they have annhilated every team that they have played.
With a good HC and with a whole staff of decent assistants UT should be a 2 loss team- UF and AL.

But als, we have a goofus for a HC, Tard Cut for OC, and Buddy Hackett with his TWO DB coaches- one a recent Grad Assistant and one recently out of work.
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AtlantaVol
Oct 28 2012, 10:06 PM
TennesseeTuxedo
Oct 28 2012, 09:46 PM
The teams that we have lost to are all ranked with a combined record of 36-5 and all 5 losses are to the same teams that beat us.

What cracks me up are those who are going ballistic over our loss to Alabama and how we lost.

I have some news for those folks.....Alabama has beaten every team that they have faced and they have annhilated every team that they have played.
With a good HC and with a whole staff of decent assistants UT should be a 2 loss team- UF and AL.

But als, we have a goofus for a HC, Tard Cut for OC, and Buddy Hackett with his TWO DB coaches- one a recent Grad Assistant and one recently out of work.
How could any coach win any of those games, with what you have stated with supreme confidence, is talent worse than what Dooley inherited?
Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Oct 28 2012, 10:21 PM.
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clintonaldo
Oct 28 2012, 09:29 PM
Gawdamn this thread has been fun to read and has brought back memories
You should be ashamed of yourself, but I know you're not.
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LonzoVol


AV, STFU. When Dooley arrived, Tennessee had a roster that would have been hard pressed to compete in the SunBelt Conference. Right now there are at least five potential first round draft choices on this team and the Vols could very well have the best offensive line in the nation next season, all recruited, held or signed by Dooley.
Here ya go Clint, this is for U.

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AV, I'm not sure how you can even argue with a straight face that the talent isn't any better. Your point that it isn't, is....well.......stupid.

Moving on.....we've clearly underperformed, particularly on defense. I assign the blame on a couple of things:

Despite our upgrade talent and depth, we're still not on par with Bammer, probably a little behind Georgia & Florida, probably even with South Carolina and probably ahead of Ms State.

The coaching....particularly on defense, has been terrible. Let's take a look at some real numbers regarding our first five SEC games for 11 & 12 to bear this out.

2011

Defensive Points Allowed: 28.4
Offensive Points Scored: 10.2

2012

Defensive Points Allowed: 42.2
Offensive Points: 28.6

You've yet to congratulate our offense for improving their production by 18 points a game (and admittedly getting Bray & Hunter back has had a large impact), while you bash anything you can dream up for our problems. In reality, with our defense from 2011, we clearly win at least two of our games this year and maybe three....our actual average between this year's offense and last year's defense is slightly better

The blame clearly lies with the defense.....but they are basically the same guys as last year with the exception of losing Jackson & Johnson but picking up Lathers, Sentimore & McCullers (I would consider that an upgrade). So what is different? The coaches on defense. That's where the blame should be put, if you've got a shred of common sense...it's the only dramatic change regarding a negative trend.

Dooley may not survive....but I'm convinced that Sunseri will have been the one to take him down...NOT the talent level...NOT Chaney....... If Hart forced Dooley to hire Sunseri, he should fire himself. Dooley's admission that he doesn't spend any time with the defense, is VERY telling as far as his management style. Two real things bother me about Dooley; one is how he's apparently handled our petulent stars and two is that he hasn't recognized that his attention on offense / at the cost of ignoring our defense has helped put us in the pickle jar. Plus the fact that he's got to be most unlucky sob walking the face of the earth.

You remind me of my wife...when something's going wrong EVERYTHING is wrong and EVERYBODY'S to blame and NOBODY'S going to be happy until it's better. You're a smart guy....surely you can focus on where the real problem lies....
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When did Dooley state he wasn't involved with the defense? I find that hard to believe. What about special teams?
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In a press conference since the South Carolina Game. I've only read about it, but supposedly he said that he only concentrated on special teams and offense and that only Superman could focus on offense, special teams AND defense.
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