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| Is Dool's Leaving us Better Off???? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 25 2012, 02:27 PM (1,335 Views) | |
| AtlantaVol | Oct 26 2012, 10:55 AM Post #31 |
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I wasn't "proven" wrong by any stretch of your imagination no matter how loud and how many times you say it. The proof is in the pudding. No wins against ranked teams. Dools is 1-14 in last 15 SEC games. And yes, I am going to call you out on NEVER EVER even ONCE calling Dooley out on ANYTHING. He has been a miserable failure as a HC yet all you do is make excuses for him and blame Bush----er----Fulmer for his failures. Just like in Politics- after 3 years on the field you have to take responsibility for our suckitude. You aren't the only one in this group so I am not singling you out. Wagee, HAWK, and Poley have never uttered one single thing wrong with Dooley either. |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 26 2012, 11:00 AM Post #32 |
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The real question is doesn't it make a difference on the field if Dooley has more bodies out on scholly than when he arrived or even if that talent is "better" than when he arrived. If he can't ever beat a ranked team, can't or barely gets to a bowl game, goes 1-14 in SEC games, loses to Kensucky, gets blown off the field by the better SEC teams, has not a single road SEC win in 3 years, etc then what the F does it matter??? |
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| *Zippy | Oct 26 2012, 11:00 AM Post #33 |
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That may be the furthest I've ever seen anyone move the goalposts in any internet argument, ever. If you are done talking about the roster, which is ALL your initial post addressed...in bullet points, no less....when you asked 'is Dool's Leaving us Better Off????".... you can shut up now and start yet another thread bitching incessantly about how Dooley is a terrible coach (like we really need to even talk about that anymore). |
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| humbletx | Oct 26 2012, 11:06 AM Post #34 |
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nuts is discussing gray areas. Tennessee is light years better off with its new AD - D. Hart.. No question about that. IMO Hart could GAF regarding the "better off" question - as he wasn't in Knoxville. He now has to unemotionally evaluate his cash cow - "is it better off" today - and will it improve in 2013/14? |
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| *JollyVolly | Oct 26 2012, 02:23 PM Post #35 |
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If that was the real question....then that's what you should have asked because your premise that our talent level isn't any better now is nutbirdly absurd. In all honesty, except for the KY game, our losses have been to good teams. The fact that we're losing to ranked teams isn't really a big shock. It's how we're losing that is. It's that we actually stayed closer to teams in year 0 than we have in year 2. It's the fact that dooley said we wouldn't get pushed around any more.....and in reality pushed is way too kind. We've been violated like a slow running catholic boy scout. That's on Dooley. The only question that remains is if by some miracle, he can get his arms around this program and get it running well RIGHT NOW. I'm afraid I know the answer, but I'd honestly prefer that we let it play out....that we convict the the prisoner prior to execution. Even losing badly to four top 15 teams with a 27-1 record isn't the worse thing that's ever happened to the VOLS. Edited by JollyVolly, Oct 26 2012, 02:25 PM.
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 26 2012, 03:40 PM Post #36 |
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Jolly, RECRUITING then COACHING the team are part of a HC's job along with many other things like Motivatiing Players and Hiring Assistants. Sorry, didn't know it was against the board rules to start out talking about one thing a HC does then not be able to discuss the Recruiting in the context of Games WON or Games LOST by the same HC. Isn't that sort of the F'ing point of recruiting??? You are saying I am "nutbirds" if I don't see there is much more talent and Tux said the talent was " 100,000% better now than before". I don't honestly know what you guys are seeing (or smoking) to see that kind of talent out there having losing seasons and playing like shit. Maybe when I have time I will start a rat-a-tat Thread Starting Post where I say: 1) Is the overall TALENT recruited by Dooley able to WIN more games than the TALENT available when he got to UT. So far his Wins was more in year 1 than in year 2 or 3 but I guess that COULD change. But you guys seem to think the "talent is LIGHT YEARS better". If it is then something else is major league F'ed up with Dool's! Next Threads: 1) Can Dooley Coach. Nothing else can be brought up in this Thread or you guys will throw the red flag! 2) Can Dool's Motivate a 20 y/o FB player to get it on with a nekkid Jennifer Lopez begging for it in front of them? Again NOTHING else can be discussed or TVO red flag will be thrown! 3) Can Dooley hire Assistants worth a shit? This one ought to be a good one with Chucky Smith being hired without ever coaching on the field at any level. he then was demoted mid season and fired right after signing day. Then 7 of 9 assistants left after year 2. One was Baggett who left because Dool's allowed Da'Prick to call him "house Ni$#@%&" on the practice field and to his team mates without anything said by Drool's. Then Drool's has kept Tard Cut and hired Buddy hackett who is running THE WORST UT defense statistically in modern UT FB history. 4) Can Drool's do the other functions of a HC like fundraise and give talks to the fan base. Every HC has to do this and it is very important part of the job financially. Second part of this is how are Donations and Attendance at games under Drool's compared to past UT history. I can probably think of another few thread starters but I think you get the gist. They ALL are inter related. You can't really talk about 1 without bringing in the whole picture. But if that is how you guys want to run the site then I will abide and talk about one and only one thing per thread. But I will not change my opinion of Tux and Wagee in regards to Drool's until I EVER see them criticize Dooley when he screws up- which he does routinely. I have literally never seen it happen with these two. There is HAWK and Poley on OM who do the same exact thing so not unique here. We have a total loser as a HC. Dems da facts. Edited by AtlantaVol, Oct 26 2012, 03:43 PM.
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Oct 26 2012, 03:46 PM Post #37 |
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AV, you can post what you like here. You did start a thread and made specific accusations where you where called out and proven wrong. You not only tried to move the goal post, but you chose to "change venues and cities" so to speak. What everyone has done is to isolate your original accusation and hold you to answering it while you try to divert attention from the original accusation. Nice try. Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Oct 26 2012, 03:46 PM.
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| *Zippy | Oct 26 2012, 04:28 PM Post #38 |
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It's not against the rules. It's losing your argument, then trying to change it to something else so that you dont have to admit your point was stupid. Just for clarification: being stupid is not against the rules. Carry on. |
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| *JollyVolly | Oct 26 2012, 05:48 PM Post #39 |
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Goodness...what drama!! I think you must just be looking for a fight, AV. You've been persecuted so often that it's a reflex, I guess. I only speak for me. If you've got a problem with what somebody besides me said....take it up with them. There are no rules for posting here of which I'm aware. I'm completely lost how your dragging everything else about Dooley into this thread does anything to bolster your original point. It, in fact, doesn't. I don't disagree that Dooley had underperformed, I do disagree that the talent is no better than when he got here. That goes for quality and quantity.....so get the stick out of your butt. As badly as you seem to want...I'm not going to debate you on topics of which we both agree. Perhaps not as vehemently....but I see some big problems...even after wading through the unsubstanciated rumors you're slinging around. |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 26 2012, 09:19 PM Post #40 |
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I not only "tried" I succeeded in getting you and a few others to state complete hyperbole. You said they were 100,000% better off in talent and a few other like Zippy stated similar craziness. You guys do realize that if even a FRACTION of what you said was true we wouldn't be 1-14 in the SEC over 2 years and we wouldn't be O'fer on Ranked Teams in Drool's 2.5 years on the field. And we wouldn't have 2 straight losing seasons. And we wouldn't be 3-4 in 2012. And the HC wouldn't have one foot out the door with the other one about to be thrown out the door if he loses to USCe. So I am right big time on the talent UNLESS you want to go down the road that we have a sucky HC and a sucky staff of assistants as a whole. Which Road do you choose? Can't have it both ways. Either their is shitloads of talent and shitty coaching or there isn't that much better talent and good coaches are getting the most they can of mediocre talent. Now I guess there is a 3rd option which I choose- we have very Mediocre talent but it is better than what is showing up on the field because the HC can't motivate them and we have 2 shitty coordinators in Tard Cut and Buddy Hackett. Ding Ding Ding- we have a winner! |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 26 2012, 09:26 PM Post #41 |
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I am just joking about the thread stuff but it seemed like several of you were suggesting I couldn't mention anything else besides what the original post was about and no deviation from that. I can go back and find the quotes but was really just joking anyway. Not looking for any fights but I honestly don't see how UT fans can look at the crappy way that Dooley was hired- a wimpy AD with a nasty Agent being the 1 Man Search committee, then seeing what he has done on the field and who he has hired as assistants, then not see this clusterfuck happening that is UT Football. And it does flabbergast me that some UT fans still insist we need to see MORE of this clusterfuck before we give up on Precious. Other than Joker Phillips ( who beat Dool's last year) there isn't a worse SEC HC out there. UT deserves better. |
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| *Zippy | Oct 27 2012, 01:08 AM Post #42 |
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You can say whatever you want, nobody is saying you cant. I'm just laughing at what you are saying is all. You can move the goalposts to another subject (dooley being a shitty coach) all you want, but the talent is way better today than it was when he got here...as even a blind squirrel can see. Again though, this is relative. I'm not saying our talent is better with respect ot Alabama or anyone else, I'm saying it was better than UT's roster when Dooley got here...which really isnt saying much. You cant fall off the floor, you know. |
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| *OrangeRev | Oct 27 2012, 08:12 AM Post #43 |
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It is a little of both, in my opinion. As far as talent, we are not as talented as Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, or LSU ... but, our roster is far better than it was when Dooley first came. Talent-wise, we are a top 20 team. As far as assistant coaches, the offensive staff we currently have is better than the first, but that can obviously not be said on the defensive side of the ball. And, Dooley has made a lot of rookie mistakes and is continuing to learn on the job ... which is hurting him greatly. Overall, we are an improved team - the point differential has improved each year, but hasn't yet translated into results in the W/L record. |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 27 2012, 08:17 AM Post #44 |
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FINALLY you are getting at what I was talking about. Didn't realize I had to spell it out in 1st Grade Terms with you Zippy. So lets dumb this down more. Tux said we were 100,000% better and you say it is "way" better so a blind squirrel could see it. But as you FINALLY get to the point of my post- the Talent recruited by Drool's may be "better" but it is all relative. In 2008 we were 5-6 and in 2009 we were 7-6 after a bowl game. Drool's was 6-7 his fist year, 5-7 his 2nd year, and 3-4 so far his 3rd year. We have been towards the bottom of the SEC in every single year since 2008 except middle of the pack in 2009. So is there 100,000% better talent and "way" better talent based on the results??? Have you watched UT play a single game this year? Did you realize we have given up 37, 51, 41, and 44 points in our 4 SEC games? Did you realize this is Statistically the worst UT defense in modern times as far as Yards and points allowed? So my point remains- the talent may be slightly better but it isn't "way" better or we wouldn't SUCK as bad as we do. Oh but wait, there is that pesky thing about COACHING that you call "moving the goalpost" in your post below. So EITHER the talent isn't all that OR our coaching sucks. But even with sucky coaching you SHOULD see better play from 100,000% better talent now shouldn't you??? Can you even attempt to answer this question OR do you require I put it in a new thread for your board? Just explain how 100,000% better talent and "way better talent a blind squirrel could see" is fighting it out with Kensucky to be THE worst SEC team out of 14 teams. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Oct 27 2012, 09:56 AM Post #45 |
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The talent that Dooley has brought in is 100,000% better than he inherited. To say the opposite would be disingenuous There were zero offensive linemen starters returning whe he arrived. Only on existing roster member that he inherited, played on the offensive line. The rest are his guys. The talent he brought in at WR is superior to what was there when he arrived. There were three good recivers on the team whe arrived and one was a tight end. Two of them went on to the NFL There have been Dooley recruits who have or are as talented as any WR to ever play for UT. We are in the best shape talent-wise at QB that we have been in some time. We have not been able to land a true top shelf RB since Dooley has been here. Part of that is perception and reality of the scheme. That perception is in the process of being rectified on two frints. First, a top RB coach hire was in the process of helping to land a couple top ten RB prospects. Dooley's first season saw 6 true freshmen starting on the offensive side of the ball. There are probably 9-12 future NFL Draft picks on our offense. When Dooley arrived, what he inherited amounted to about 3 or 4 future NFL players. The increase in talent alone on offense is eye opening and speaks volumes of the job that Dooley has done restocking the cupbiard of talent. On defense, we were starting several,walk-ons all over the field. Nick Reviez, Joseph Ayers, and other walk-ons and converted big bodies had to play on defense. It was not a pretty sight. Lookmahead iw and theremare no walk-ons starting or forced to play out of neccessity. The Defensive line had been the hardest place to recruitmtop players, but Dooley recruited the JUCOs to nicely fill out the DL. There are at leastn3 guys on the DL who will be drafted. At linebacker, we were starting Nick Reveiz and Austin Johnson. Both played with a lot of heart and character, but neither one had SEC talent, but Dooley had to play them because they were the best middle linebackers that he inherited. Now, we have AJ Johnson and Curt Maggitt. Both are huge upgrades over what was inherited. Contrast the current front seven versus the one that was inherited. It is a difference in night and day. Our secondary is improved from a talent standpoint. Remember Art Evans? Secondaries are always in a state of flux due to injuries and players confidence improving or going down. It is a tough position to play due to size, speed, and physical nature of the position. Contrast what Dooley inherited to what is here now. There is no doubt that the cupboard of talent was almost completely empty when Dooley arrived at UT. He has done a good job of restocking the talent pool in a very tough situation. My challenge to you is for you to detail how our talent level has not improved knowing these facts. You challnged me to discuss the talent and I have. Niw the ball is in your court and I eagerly await your retort. Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Oct 27 2012, 10:08 AM.
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