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| Is Dool's Leaving us Better Off???? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 25 2012, 02:27 PM (1,331 Views) | |
| AtlantaVol | Oct 25 2012, 02:27 PM Post #1 |
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A common theme I keep hearing on most UT sites is that Dool's has left us in better shape than before he came. But is that really true. Lets take it position by position shall we: 1) QB with Bray, Woorley, Peterman, and if the NC recruit for 2013 sticks then I would say YES. 2) TB with SR Neal, JR Lane, JR Runt Yonng, SO Runt Watson in 2013 I would say NO. 3) WR with SR's Patterson and Hunter, SO Piggy, and redshirt FR Blanc it ALL depends on if the 2 SR's come back for 2013 but if they don't the answer is NO. 4) TE with FR Merideth and JR Downs in 2013- who the hell knows if we are any better off. 5) FB- who is the FB for 2013??? Answer is NO. 6) OL is where I am worried. In 2013 we have already lost Thomas after this year. In 2013 we have SR's in James, Stone, Bullard, and Fulton. We have JR in Richardson as a solid starting 5 so if you are talking about only 2013 then the answer is YES we are better off. But look a little deeper. In 2013 we will have SO's Crowder, Posey, Kirbyson, and JR Jackson in reserve. Only Jackson has played much and his time has tapered off this year. But Dool's signed ZERO OL players in 2012 class. For the 2013 class of 17-18 players he has ONE OL player committed and 1 maybe 3* Hawaii player interested in UT. But with 17-18 commits we still need Von Bell, a WR or two, a DE, LB's, and especially a TB. So for OL if you are talking about the year 2014 we are in a world of hurt for OL. 7) DL we have the 3 Juco starters back for 2013 and SR Walls and SR Hood. We will have SO Saulsberry in 2013 as well as Redshirt FR O'Brien and then maybe Redshirt FR Phillips although it sounds like he has ballooned up to #330 and is out the door. There is a JUCO coming in also. Then there is the Memphis recruit Carr who is #270 now. So at DL the answer is certainly YES we are better off. 8) LB we will have JR's Maggitt and Johnson as solid middle of the road or slightly better than average SEC LB's. We have SR Smith who was finally benched last week against Bammer. We will have JR Jordan Williams, and several guys like Sapp, Probst, Fugate, etc who will be SR's in 2013. You have some unknown lightly recruited true FR on the current squad. At LB for 2013 and beyond we are really weak for a SEC team. Answer is NO. 9) At DB we will have SR Moore, JR Coleman, SR Gordon, SO's Gray, McNeill, and Bonner. Orta and Tino Thomas have not seen the field as far as I know so who knows on them. Then there is the JR safety from GA who busted his ACL a few weeks ago coming back. Bowles is Redshirting and I assume is a Safety. Are we better here? Probably is the answer but it isn't like we are loaded at DB. So if Dooley is canned next month has he tremendously improved the squad for 2013 compared to 2010? Now remember, his 2010 team was his best team on the field so far in his 3 years at UT. They lost close games, should have beaten LSU on the road, got to a bowl game and should have won the bowl game. Answer logically instead of emotionally. |
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| runner | Oct 25 2012, 02:37 PM Post #2 |
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There isn't enough talent returning, nor enough impact players already committed, that's suddenly going to make us competitive next season. With our 2013 schedule, I see 5 losses. Then when you factor in the coaching changes we'll have again IF Dooley was retained, then it's rather obvious that Hart has to relieve Dooley, imo. I didn't even factor in the locker room turmoils, or the fan apathy.
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| *Zippy | Oct 25 2012, 02:46 PM Post #3 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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2) he is leaving us way better off @ TB than we were when he got here. Every running back on the roster is better than TPoole by himself, and at least Dooley is leaving us with a tiny bit of depth at the position (there was none when he got here). 3) If either of them comes back, it's even at worst. 4) Probably worse off. Stocker was good. 5) Alden Hill. The answer is yes. Cooper was terrible. 6) Way, way better. It's not even close. Dooley inherited literally NOTHING on the OL. 8) I'm not sure if it's worse, because Dooley inherited exactly crap @ LB...but we will be pretty bad off there. Even at absolute best So in summary: you are crazy. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Oct 25 2012, 02:49 PM Post #4 |
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If Dooley left today, he would be leaving a team and program that is 100,000% better than one that he inherited. Anyone who can't see that or thinks that is not true, knows absolutely zero about football and is totally agenda driven. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Oct 25 2012, 03:19 PM Post #5 |
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Look at the 2010 Roster that Dooley took over. The freshmen were his signees. Everyone else was inherited from Fulmer and Kiffin. From this bunch, outside of the freshmen that he signed, only 3 players from this roster are in the NFL. Heck, Dooley's first signing class, which will be next years senior class, will likely have several members of it heading into the NFL. That first season, Dooley was playing with several walk-ons on the defensive line and at linebacker. http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tenn-m-footbl-mtt-num.html You think that Dooley would be leaving the program in worse shape than he inherited it? If so, you have an agenda. There is no other explanation. |
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| Hermitagevol | Oct 25 2012, 03:23 PM Post #6 |
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AV, you have to look at the roster Dooley inherited. He had probably 55-60 players on roster, and none of them were very good. He had to recruit players that could get in school (no academic risks). The roster is far better now than it was 3 years ago. Most of his second string OL were highly rated recruits. For a team that hasn't been competitive for over 5 years, he's done a good job stocking the shelves. |
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| LonzoVol | Oct 25 2012, 04:00 PM Post #7 |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 25 2012, 10:09 PM Post #8 |
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No Tux, you as a Doolander are the one with an agenda. I didn't say we were worse off- I just asked to go position by position and tell me how we are sooooooooooo much better as you DooleyBerry's claim. I will give you that we have 85 bodies on the team where there were only 72 or so when he came. Take again the OL that zippy was saying is so much better. I clearly said above that for 2013 you have SR's in Bullard, Stone, James, and Fulton to go with JR Richardson. Good enough starting OL and better than when he got here- although Fulton and James were technically Kiffin recruits. But behind them in 2013 we have SO's in Posey, Kerbyson, and Crowder with JR Jackson. Behind these guys there is NO ONE since Drool's didn't sign an OL player in 2012. Not one!!!! And currently in 2013 class he has ONE guy listed as an OL player. So technically you are correct- he leaves the new HC in 2013 with a better OL than the one when he got there. But it is a ticking timebomb for 2014 with maybe 5 OL on the team except for who we sign as FR in 2014. Thanks so much there Drool's!!! And one more thing for Zippy- how in hell can you say Alden Hill in 2013 coming off a redshirt season is a better FB than Cooper, Fugate, and Bartholomew who were the FB's for Drool's first year in 2010??? Good Lord- get real! |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 25 2012, 10:16 PM Post #9 |
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BTW, my only AGENDA is to win Football games- something the guy you have been bragging on for 3 years just can't do in his dreams. He is THE worst SEC HC in the league based on his record in the SEC from start of 2011 to present time. Joker Phillips wins the tiebreaker due to beating Drool's last year. Drool's recruiting has gone down each and every single season he has been at UT with his best class (2010) being more than half Kiffin recruits where many were already enrolled in school before Drool's got the job. Our HC has been a total failure on the field. Anyone who takes up for him is the one with an agenda. Guys born on 3rd base thinking they hit a triple and who can do nothing on their own merits don't deserve this kind of adulation from you guys. You should know better! |
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| *Zippy | Oct 25 2012, 10:17 PM Post #10 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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Because he cant be worse. They were terrible. |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 25 2012, 10:21 PM Post #11 |
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Wagee, I only count the Sanders kid as an OL recruit since the 6'10" guy from CO and the CAK guy who isn't well thought of at all now, will both be dropped as recruits by the new HC. |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 25 2012, 10:23 PM Post #12 |
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Sorry but you can't LOGICALLY claim such about a player being redshirted who has never taken a snap. Cooper, Fugate, and Bart all have rushing yards, passes caught, blocks made, and maybe a TD or two where Hill is ONE guy and he is unknown. |
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| *TennesseeTuxedo | Oct 25 2012, 10:28 PM Post #13 |
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AV, you have not followed my posts well. No where have I proclaimed myself to be a Dooley lover or one who puts the coach over the program. Your thread starter is nothing but erroneous propaganda from someone with an agenda. You have to wonder about anyone making the claims that you made in the thread starting post. They just are not accurate and border on complete ignorance. |
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| AtlantaVol | Oct 25 2012, 10:37 PM Post #14 |
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1) I HAVE followed your post over 3 years now and while true you don't overtly call yourself a Dooley Lover, you have NEVER EVER once criticized him. In FACT you have gone waaaaaaaaaay out of your way to take up for every fuck up he has done. You may not even realize what a Dooley homer you have been. 2) My thread starter was ASKING a question about how much better off we were. Dooley did have 72 odd players compared to the 85 on the team now. Dooley won 6 games in 2010 and IMO the new HC in 2013 will be hard pressed to go 7-5 with the players Drool's will leave him. It may be better but it isn't the 100,000% exaggeration crap you posted before or the new HC would be winning the SECE- which UT can't do with the talent Drool's has recruited. What is "ignorant" is acting like you are so logical and objective but then posting 100% positive about Precious for 3 years like his shit doesn't stink. You have been anything but OBJECTIVE on Dooley and in my book that is a Doolander. Better hop off that wagon before you are the only one left! BTW, you guys who always CLAIM you aren't in love with Dooley, are also the same ones who have used this "he came into a shitty situation and just needs time" argument over and over and over again. But while that may be true you also haven't apparently been watching his Coaching and Recruiting. It just isn't very good and you ALSO never ever criticize him for ANYTHING. For example- did you say a word about not One but TWO Illegal Procedure Penalty's on Punts with the MSU game? Or how about the 12 men on the field for a MSU FG causing a wasted Time Out in the 3rd quarter? Or about the running into the FG Kicker after that Time Out with 12 men on the field? UT often plays the Keystone Kop game we saw under Fulmer. Now IF you went after Dooley's Coaching after those and other similar examples then I stand corrected. But if you do not speak up about this crap we are seeing on the field of play and just keep repeating "Fulmer left him a mess and he just needs more time" argument then you are a Doolander. Edited by AtlantaVol, Oct 26 2012, 08:00 AM.
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| *Zippy | Oct 25 2012, 10:38 PM Post #15 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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It's very logical: it's just relative. This is without even getting into the fact that Dooley doesnt even have a FB, and we have no idea if the new coach (assuming there is one) will either. We are basically arguing over a position that doesnt even really exist under Dooley (or even how Justin King also fits into this equation), and may very well continue not existing under a new OC. This one really isnt worth arguing about. |
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