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Topic Started: Oct 24 2012, 02:59 PM (642 Views)
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Oct 25 2012, 11:33 AM
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- Oct 25 2012, 10:23 AM
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- Oct 25 2012, 09:53 AM
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- Oct 25 2012, 09:35 AM
Beg to differ on this view.
A significant # is owed this coaching staff - millions - that would be paid out over several years. The revenue #'s for UT athletics is well known - and they aren't in a growing mode.
Gruden - and his new staff (can't say there is a single coach or coordinator from this one he'd keep) won't be inexpensive either. Goodness knows if he could even put together a coaching staff - as he has been away from the game for several years..
Combine the two #'s - well its a lot of money the University doesn't have - and expecting some booster to pony up the millions - for a football coaching staff vs say a likewise investment in to bricks/motar isn't a happening thing.
You're missing the point that it's the powerful boosters driving this train and have committed the money to make the change to get Gruden. This move won't cost UTAD a dime if it happens. Hart is just riding along and won't contest it, but he's probably hoping Gruden turns us down so he can get his choice, Kirby Smart.
Nope - not at all. Tennessee doesn't have a BCBC - and that is a starting point. So lets just focus on those with 100 million net worth.. Nice number 100 million. No one at this level commits millions with their eyes closed - just doesn't happen. Another example - Peyton Manning's name keeps surfacing as pushing for a change - how many millions do you believe Manning has committed to this change? Understanding he does have some dollars - and at this point in time as a "booster" how many millions has be given to UTK? Another thought - you're the fellow with 25 to 30 million to take care of a mistake made by a former AD at Tennessee.. How many people are gonna remember your investment 5 years from now? When you say Hart is along for the ride - who is aware of the booster/boosters committed millions if not Hart? Where do you get this $25-30 million dollar figure, and what does anyone remembering someone 5 years from now have to do with it? These people aren't committing to improving Tennessee football for public notoriety. Just the opposite, outside their inner circles, none of us will know who did what.
Of course Hart knows the money people. It's my belief they (the initial core group) came to him with their desire for Gruden and have already made the contact with Gruden for two reasons. (1) They want Gruden and they know Hart most likely wants Smart. (2) They're letting Hart know the money will be there for the transition to be made. I don't know what each person has committed or how many there are or will be.
The initial investment won't be that much, even the first year. Buyouts are over a certain amount of years. The payrole for the new staff is the biggest chunk, and spread out over just a hand full of money people, it's peanuts to them as well as being tax deductible. The right hire will excite the fan base and donors, which start bringing in a lot of money. Look how hiring Saban changed the fortunes of Alabama.
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Oct 25 2012, 11:53 AM
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- Oct 24 2012, 10:43 PM
I haven't seen any big booster help pay for anybody's buyout in the history of UT athletics. Thunder Thornton alledgely offered to pay Fulmer's raise (or something like that) but whatever it was it never happened. Haslams are the only ones that I know of who could come up with the money and I think most of that money is now tied up in Cleveland as in Cleveland Browns. Disagree:
1) Charlie Ergan is worth north of 10 BILLION
2) Haslams net worth is in the several BILLION catagory or he would not have been approved to buy the Browns in the first place. They don't approve NFL owners unless they have tons of cash in reserve.
3) Charlie Anderson is worth 500 Million at least although down a lot from a few years ago.
4) Then the new ESPN contract ensures SEC teams get around 25-35 Million a year for just being part of the SEC. This is like having another monster donor just hand you Millions a year.
But look at it another way:
If Dooley is fired after 2012 you owe him a 5 million buyout over several years. If Dooley is fired after 2013 he will be paid his 2 Million salary for 2013 then still have a 4 Million buyout- so we basically paid 6 Million to keep him for another year. But this doesn't even count the recruiting mess we will be in for the 2013 class and the 2014 class.
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Oct 25 2012, 12:07 PM
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- runner
- Oct 25 2012, 11:33 AM
- humbletx
- Oct 25 2012, 10:23 AM
- runner
- Oct 25 2012, 09:53 AM
- humbletx
- Oct 25 2012, 09:35 AM
Beg to differ on this view.
A significant # is owed this coaching staff - millions - that would be paid out over several years. The revenue #'s for UT athletics is well known - and they aren't in a growing mode.
Gruden - and his new staff (can't say there is a single coach or coordinator from this one he'd keep) won't be inexpensive either. Goodness knows if he could even put together a coaching staff - as he has been away from the game for several years..
Combine the two #'s - well its a lot of money the University doesn't have - and expecting some booster to pony up the millions - for a football coaching staff vs say a likewise investment in to bricks/motar isn't a happening thing.
You're missing the point that it's the powerful boosters driving this train and have committed the money to make the change to get Gruden. This move won't cost UTAD a dime if it happens. Hart is just riding along and won't contest it, but he's probably hoping Gruden turns us down so he can get his choice, Kirby Smart.
Nope - not at all. Tennessee doesn't have a BCBC - and that is a starting point. So lets just focus on those with 100 million net worth.. Nice number 100 million. No one at this level commits millions with their eyes closed - just doesn't happen. Another example - Peyton Manning's name keeps surfacing as pushing for a change - how many millions do you believe Manning has committed to this change? Understanding he does have some dollars - and at this point in time as a "booster" how many millions has be given to UTK? Another thought - you're the fellow with 25 to 30 million to take care of a mistake made by a former AD at Tennessee.. How many people are gonna remember your investment 5 years from now? When you say Hart is along for the ride - who is aware of the booster/boosters committed millions if not Hart?
Where do you get this $25-30 million dollar figure, and what does anyone remembering someone 5 years from now have to do with it? These people aren't committing to improving Tennessee football for public notoriety. Just the opposite, outside their inner circles, none of us will know who did what. Of course Hart knows the money people. It's my belief they (the initial core group) came to him with their desire for Gruden and have already made the contact with Gruden for two reasons. (1) They want Gruden and they know Hart most likely wants Smart. (2) They're letting Hart know the money will be there for the transition to be made. I don't know what each person has committed or how many there are or will be. The initial investment won't be that much, even the first year. Buyouts are over a certain amount of years. The payrole for the new staff is the biggest chunk, and spread out over just a hand full of money people, it's peanuts to them as well as being tax deductible. The right hire will excite the fan base and donors, which start bringing in a lot of money. Look how hiring Saban changed the fortunes of Alabama. 5.6 X 4 = 22.4
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/oct/23/buying-out-derek-dooley-and-staff-could-cost-as/?partner=popular
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runner
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Oct 25 2012, 12:14 PM
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- Oct 25 2012, 11:33 AM
- humbletx
- Oct 25 2012, 10:23 AM
- runner
- Oct 25 2012, 09:53 AM
- humbletx
- Oct 25 2012, 09:35 AM
Beg to differ on this view.
A significant # is owed this coaching staff - millions - that would be paid out over several years. The revenue #'s for UT athletics is well known - and they aren't in a growing mode.
Gruden - and his new staff (can't say there is a single coach or coordinator from this one he'd keep) won't be inexpensive either. Goodness knows if he could even put together a coaching staff - as he has been away from the game for several years..
Combine the two #'s - well its a lot of money the University doesn't have - and expecting some booster to pony up the millions - for a football coaching staff vs say a likewise investment in to bricks/motar isn't a happening thing.
You're missing the point that it's the powerful boosters driving this train and have committed the money to make the change to get Gruden. This move won't cost UTAD a dime if it happens. Hart is just riding along and won't contest it, but he's probably hoping Gruden turns us down so he can get his choice, Kirby Smart.
Nope - not at all. Tennessee doesn't have a BCBC - and that is a starting point. So lets just focus on those with 100 million net worth.. Nice number 100 million. No one at this level commits millions with their eyes closed - just doesn't happen. Another example - Peyton Manning's name keeps surfacing as pushing for a change - how many millions do you believe Manning has committed to this change? Understanding he does have some dollars - and at this point in time as a "booster" how many millions has be given to UTK? Another thought - you're the fellow with 25 to 30 million to take care of a mistake made by a former AD at Tennessee.. How many people are gonna remember your investment 5 years from now? When you say Hart is along for the ride - who is aware of the booster/boosters committed millions if not Hart?
Where do you get this $25-30 million dollar figure, and what does anyone remembering someone 5 years from now have to do with it? These people aren't committing to improving Tennessee football for public notoriety. Just the opposite, outside their inner circles, none of us will know who did what. Of course Hart knows the money people. It's my belief they (the initial core group) came to him with their desire for Gruden and have already made the contact with Gruden for two reasons. (1) They want Gruden and they know Hart most likely wants Smart. (2) They're letting Hart know the money will be there for the transition to be made. I don't know what each person has committed or how many there are or will be. The initial investment won't be that much, even the first year. Buyouts are over a certain amount of years. The payrole for the new staff is the biggest chunk, and spread out over just a hand full of money people, it's peanuts to them as well as being tax deductible. The right hire will excite the fan base and donors, which start bringing in a lot of money. Look how hiring Saban changed the fortunes of Alabama.
5.6 X 4 = 22.4 http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/oct/23/buying-out-derek-dooley-and-staff-could-cost-as/?partner=popular "Even assuming the worst-case scenario — no assistants are able to find jobs and Tennessee is on the hook for all of them — UT would have to pay no more than $350,000 per month through 2013, $172,000 per month through 2014 and $102,000 per month through 2015. That's a lot of money, but it wouldn't require Hart to instantly round up $9 million in cash."
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Oct 25 2012, 12:34 PM
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Total cost approx: 9+ mil.
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Oct 25 2012, 04:03 PM
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Tennessee doesn't have boosters that would even consider giving money to this idea. They give to the University in the form of buildings, equipment, etc - not to pay off the contracts written by Jimmy Sexton, Jr. Where are you getting this information. Go back and look at my previous post on this thread. No one has come forward to do this in the past, why would they do it now. Crazy. Based on what Hart has said about the state of the athletic department, Dooley will fulfill his contract. He may not get an extension, but he will fulfill his contract.
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Oct 25 2012, 04:08 PM
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Tennessee doesn't have boosters that would even consider giving money to this idea. They give to the University in the form of buildings, equipment, etc - not to pay off the contracts written by Jimmy Sexton, Jr. Where are you getting this information. Go back and look at my previous post on this thread. No one has come forward to do this in the past, why would they do it now. Crazy. Based on what Hart has said about the state of the athletic department, Dooley will fulfill his contract. He may not get an extension, but he will fulfill his contract. +1 Some of the Negs would make great guests on the Jerry Springer Show. They sure are quick to wheel and deal with other folks money now aren't they?
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Oct 26 2012, 06:49 PM
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Supposed "insider" OCIvol claims that this is Gruden's staff that he has put together to bring to UT
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OCIVol (4,414) 02:22 PM Today ( Report! ) HC - Gruden OC - Bates or Shoop QB - Bates or Shoop RB - Graham WR - Martin TE - MiddletonOL - If Shoop then Pittman, if Bates then Morris DC - Morris or Bradley DL - Franklin or Millard LB - Barry or Bradley or Brooks DB - Morris or Burns ST - Bisaccia
Also, there is the potential for at least one of Gruden's former players to join Gruden's staff at UT...a guy who is currently doing NFL coverage.Like[
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Oct 26 2012, 07:45 PM
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Supposed "insider" OCIvol claims that this is Gruden's staff that he has put together to bring to UT
I think OCIVol is quickly establishing that he is not an insider, at least I'm dropping him from questionable to doubtful ... I've seen this pattern before on Volnation.
Although, I've thought Basaccia will be at UT this next year regardless.
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Oct 26 2012, 10:28 PM
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