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| *Zippy | Sep 16 2012, 07:56 AM Post #16 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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| Hermitagevol | Sep 16 2012, 08:09 AM Post #17 |
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I'm tired of seeing our team quit when things get tough. In order to get better players, UT is going to have to win these types of games. It's been far too long since UT was relevant, and today's high school players don't remember those days. |
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| LonzoVol | Sep 16 2012, 08:29 AM Post #18 |
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You nailed it. Florida has better athletes than Tennessee, particularly in their front seven on defense. I warned before this game that the matchup was their front seven vs. Vol offensive line and they won it handily in the second half. Apparently James was having such a bad night that they pulled him and inserted Kerbyson into the game. Also, UT's edge defense was horrific. They found out early on they didn't want much of McCullers in the middle between the tackles so they adjusted and attacked on the edges. No containment of Driskel either. Teams don't win big SEC games like this playing so poorly on defense. I thought Tennessee had adequate personnel to line up with these guys. First string maybe, but in the second quarter, Florida stopped a drive with its entire second string defensive line in the game. UT still doesn't have enough talented depth to play that way. This is why Phillips and some of the other freshmen shed the red-shirt last week and are going to get playing time this season. Florida has now won on the road two consecutive weeks in two of the toughtest venues in America. Driskel is the real deal and that is why he was the No. 1 ranked recruit and quarterback in the nation two years ago. From what I've seen of Jawja and South Carolina, right now I might suggest that Florida could very well win the East this season. Still disappointing for sure, but I'm not going to give up on this team or this season. I might anticipate some depth chart changes coming soon. |
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| El Jeffe | Sep 16 2012, 09:03 AM Post #19 |
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I saw yet another dooley team that quit. Out coached, out hearted, out played and blown out yet again. Dooley has no idea what it takes to win and his record proves it. He thinks this loss was another learning experience. It sure was, just another lesson in how bad coaching translates to bad teams. The longer dooley is at the helm, the longer it will take to get back to being competitive. |
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| Tnphil | Sep 16 2012, 10:31 AM Post #20 |
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Agree we were out of position last night at times...The d layed pretty damn good for 2 1/2 quarters and then got gassed because of our 3 and outs and quick outs on offense the 2nd half. The D held Fl to 3-17 on 3rd downs IIRC. When is the last time we did that against a team worth a sheet? Florida adjusted their offense at the half....our sandlot OC didn't and never does. Dooley better wake up because Chaney is going to get his ass fired. Sal knows what it takes to have a winning SEC defense he will get there. Chaney never will!! Edited by Tnphil, Sep 16 2012, 10:32 AM.
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| *Zippy | Sep 16 2012, 12:37 PM Post #21 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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The D was not gassed in the 3rd quarter. They hardly played in the first half, and even when they did they got spelled a LOT by timeouts, instant replay reviews, etc. That was as fresh as a UT has been entering the 3rd quarter against a quality team as they have been in several, several years. That wasnt the problem. The problem was the D got their asses handed to them in the second half, largely because Pease schooled the shit out of Sunseri with his adjustments and got our players out of position, created huge mismatches, etc. 4th quarter yeah the D was tired, but the game was already over by that point. Like I said before, Sal's got to get his shit together. |
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| gatewayghost | Sep 16 2012, 02:08 PM Post #22 |
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I liked what I saw in the run blocking. I wonder if this team needs to be an I formation offense. It seems like the line is able to get better blocking than the shot gun. . Then you got Rivera who I thought had his break out game last night. Then a big play receiver on each side. I think it could be a pretty balanced offense. We then need to throw more screens, run more counters, and even rolling Bray out to one side isolating a WR one on one.That's a good goal to goal play. I just don't see much imagination. Just having these receivers and TE trying to beat zone or one on one coverage. There has to be more to it than that. |
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| Tnphil | Sep 16 2012, 02:31 PM Post #23 |
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we were NOT out of it going into the 4th quarter What game was you watching? The best defense is a defense that is standing on the sidelines...watching the offense move the chains..pick up first downs...and run the clock. Agreed that our defense was out of position at times...but our WAC OC didn't help our defense one bit the 2nd half because Florida adjusted their defense and he has never adjusted. Thats why we don't score points the 2nd half against anybody but the schools for the blind! I still have NOT had anyone here that says WE DO NOT NEED a running game because our passing attack can not be stopped tell me why we scored only 20 points...at home...and we were favored? Blaming the defense for that PISS-POOR play calling on offense just takes the fooking cake. |
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| *Zippy | Sep 16 2012, 05:19 PM Post #24 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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.... Let me try this again. Please pay attention. You just are not following what I'm saying, either that or are just completely irrational. 1) First, yes...the game was over in the 3rd quarter. We mostly quit after the 80 yd TD. We completely quit after Driskel's TD pass at the end of the 3rd. 2) I'm not blaming the defense for piss poor play calling on offense. I have no earthly idea where you are getting this from. I'm blaming the DC for a piss poor second half, because he got owned hardcore. This is not taking away from, adding to or in any way defending Cheney (who did, I agree, call a shitty game in the 2nd half as well). So while I'm not at all trying to blame Sunseri for a shitty 2nd half for the offense, you are apparently trying to blame Cheney for a shitty second half by the Defense. 3) I still have NOT had anyone here that says WE DO NOT NEED a running game because our passing attack can not be stopped tell me why we scored only 20 points...at home...and we were favored? You have not had anyone here what?...I'm sorry, I dont follow that question. So first: is that aimed at me? Secondly, if so...uh, what? I have no idea what answer you are looking for. But I'll try to answer it the best way I can: Our running backs suck monkey nuts. Unless and until someone invents a magic wand that makes Raijon stop being a pussy, or gives Lane his speed back, or makes Devrin 4" taller and 50 pounds heavier....our running game is going to suck. There's a reason we put our damn MLB into the game to run a wildcat dive at the goalline: even though it looked like he'd never done it before, he still looks like the best RB on the team*. That's the problem with our running game. It's not getting fixed this season. *all kidding aside, if I were a coach @ UT...and if Harris is actually healed up enough to give us a few plays per game... I'd be giving some serious thought today to having AJ get more work @ RB. Now, back to Cheney. He did alright in the first half, but also got owned in the second like everyone else. He did absolutely nothing to help Bray or the OL out: no screens, no bubbles, no misdirection...nothing. He is infatuated with throwing the ball 15+ yards. If you could combine Cheney with Randy Sanders...no kidding, all he knew how to call was bubble screens...you'd have a pretty good OC. I'm not necesarilly sold on him as an SEC OC either, but he's not getting fired today either. So now's not the time to worry about that. You can feel free to waste as much effort on it as you want but my advice to you would be to not hold your breath waiting on it to happen. Or, at the very least, dont start holding your breath just yet. |
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| Hermitagevol | Sep 16 2012, 05:26 PM Post #25 |
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Is it Cheney's play calling or Bray not taking a checkdown? He seems to miss Rivera over the middle a bunch. Overall, it was a lousy effort on the entire UT football team from the head coach down to the water boy. This season isn't over, but Dooley's career is if the team keeps quitting. |
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| *Zippy | Sep 16 2012, 05:38 PM Post #26 |
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Burning Man, 2009 FOREVER
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May be a bit of both on Bray & Cheney. Either way, though: it's on Cheney. If the QB is rattled and making bad reads....which Bray clearly was after that grounding call....you have to take the reigns and call some plays that calm him down and get him back in his rhythm. An no, the season's not over. That's why I'm not stressing all that much about it. Lets see what happens. We've come back from early season beat-downs by Florida to have good years before, nothing new. |
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| Tnphil | Sep 16 2012, 06:04 PM Post #27 |
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Good response Zip and agree with most of it. As far as our RB situation I will be SHOCKED if we sign a stud RB while Chaney is the OC. He has never run the ball worth a shit. We can get pretty good qb's and wr's because of Chaney but as of yet we have not sniffed on a stud RB. Chaney ball is pussy ball and it will not succeed in the SEC..It works in Conf USA, WAC and MAC but not in the SEC. If you can't line up and whip folks and run it up, over, around or through you will be a 7-5 team in the SEC...IMO |
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| gatewayghost | Sep 16 2012, 06:21 PM Post #28 |
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Awesome
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Here's another positive. We were 3-3 in the red zone with 3 TD's. |
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| tnjimbob | Sep 16 2012, 10:54 PM Post #29 |
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I agree with Tux's original assessment. There were some positives to come from this game, but I'm afraid that we will face more games like this that will be letdown losses, which will further expose our needs and/or lack of depth, or downright bad players at certain positions. I will be glad when we can get past the "we have to play so and so at X position because he's all we have" reality that is being played out this year. From a fundamental standpoint, I think this team needs to reread & reincorporate the third & seventh maxims. If you need a reminder, here you go (emphasis mine): 3. If at first the game - or the breaks - go against you, don't let up... put on more steam. 7. Carry the fight to our opponent and keep it there for 60 minutes. |
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