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Yep...we don't need a running game
Topic Started: Sep 15 2012, 08:49 PM (355 Views)
*TennesseeTuxedo
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It has always bewildered me to see grown men act like 12 year old kids who lost a little league game, following a UT football loss. They all act like their team was supposed to win the National Championship and they all want to fire the coach and think that will make them feel better. Maybe if they got some milk and cookies they would feel a little better?
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El Jeffe


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Sep 16 2012, 10:22 AM
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Sep 16 2012, 09:27 AM
Lost a heart breaker? For the love of God, how many heart breakers do you have to watch us lose before you realize they will keep on coming with this idiot coaching this team? He has never beaten a ranked team. 30-35 record. Got his ass handed to him in yet another second half meltdown. Look at the entire body of work, not just this game. Dooley does not know what it takes to win, period. 1-7 last year in the SEC and celebrated an OT win to vandy at home like he had just coached his team to victory in the SEC championship. This guy is a loser and his record speaks for itself. His recruiting is tanking, his motivational skills consist of a road to nowhere and a damn orange dog, he thinks we "held serve" with uf in the kicking game and gave the team the day off today.

These second half beat downs are a symptom of the disease. Dooley does not know how to win, accepts losing very easily and the team has adopted his losing mentality. The sooner he is gone, the sooner we will get back to being Tennessee. As long as he stays, we are the LaTech of the SEC. It is time to stop the bleeding. You can blame the players, blame the fans, blame fulmer and kiffin or any other lame assed excuse you can think of, but the reality of the situation is that this is dooley's team lock, stock and barrel. The blame rests squarely on his shoulders and the state of the program rests upon the shoulders of a fan base that worships coaches and refuses to accept reality. Fulmer was retained at least 3 years too long. Every minute dooley continues to be retained is too long. It is time.
Whether or not any of that is true really does not matter right now.

I mean I understand the need to vent, but I'm assuming I dont have to tell you that there is absolutely no way whatsoever Hart is going to call Dooley this afternoon and fire him. When the season is over? Maybe (though as long as Dooley wins 7+ it's really unlikely). Right this second? Just not going to happen unless he's found naked with a dead hooker or a live man.

And another week to get back on the right track is lost. Dooley is not an SEC coach. He isn't even a sunbelt coach who can win. As for naked with a man, I see many excusers who apparently would jizz in their pants at the thought of getting nekkid with this loser. I wish one of them would do it and take one for the team if that would end this disaster of an experimental hire. The longer dooley is here, the longer it will be before we start heading in the right direction again. Look at his overall record, his record here and his SEC record. What more do you need to see? Recruiting is getting worse, motivation is non-existant, the players quit, dooley is lost on the sidelines and we continue to be a joke on a national stage. IT IS TIME.
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Sep 16 2012, 10:27 AM
It has always bewildered me to see grown men act like 12 year old kids who lost a little league game, following a UT football loss. They all act like their team was supposed to win the National Championship and they all want to fire the coach and think that will make them feel better. Maybe if they got some milk and cookies they would feel a little better?

I disagree of course. TNPhil is correct that UT will never win with retard haired Chaney as OC but the bigger issue is that the UT players just will NOT lay it on the line for Dooley. I have heard it from 2 guys who have talked to UT players just this past summer. The UT players sort of "like Dooley" but they dodn't respect him and all the players who talked about him said he had almost NO motivational skills. Bottom line is that they won't play hard for him when it gets tough in the 2nd half. They give up and throw in the towel. It doesn't help at all that Bray is the very worst at this moping and giving up when it gets tough. Then you have Chaney calling long passes down the sidelines in the 2nd half where they take time to develop and the OL was getting whipped. JUst a total recipe for disaster.

And then lets talk Recruiting. UT's recruiting under Dooley has gone from 10th to 13-14th to 17th and now is ranked #20 for 2013 with the class 80% filled.. Steady downhill in recruiting talent. UF on the other hand (as was UGA) was ranked in the Top 10 last year in Muschamps first full year and currently is at #3 compared to our #20. UGA is at #6-7.

Summary- as Phil says- this UT team will never win big with a WAC OC and a HC that can't motivate. Recruiting is getting some middle of the road players but the lack of Top 125 ranked players- ie the playmakers- is staggering. In 2012 recruiting we had only McNeal as a Top 125 player out of high school. In 2013 class of 18 commits I am not sure we even have a Top 200 player. That just is NOT going to beat any upper level SEC teams. So combine the lack of talent with Chaney & Dooley and we are what we are.
Edited by AtlantaVol, Sep 16 2012, 10:46 AM.
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AV,
I would tend to agree with you on the recruiting. The current commitment class needs multiple upgrades, including but not limited to a stud pass rusher and a stud running back. This team does not have a down lineman who can rush the passer.
The rest of your post is rumor, enuendo and speculation. From what I saw of Florida yesterday, they could very well win the Eastern Division this year. If Tennessee goes on to an 8-4 season and a good bowl game, that will be major progress. There are nine football games left in the regular season, so we shall see how it all shakes out.
I also find it unfortunate that some of you have been poised and waiting for this moment to launch again on Coach Dooley. Was expected, no shock at all.
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Dooley inherited a lot of bad mojo. He must find some way to turn this around, and he needs to do it this season. He's got to have a big win against someone and soon, or he won't be able to keep the wolves at bay. Watching the fans reaction during the broadcast says it all. I'll be really curious to see how the team reacts against UGA and Miss State. I counted the UGA game as a loss in the preseason, so MSU is a must win on the road against a very physical team.
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Sep 16 2012, 10:55 AM
AV,
I would tend to agree with you on the recruiting. The current commitment class needs multiple upgrades, including but not limited to a stud pass rusher and a stud running back. This team does not have a down lineman who can rush the passer.
The rest of your post is rumor, enuendo and speculation. From what I saw of Florida yesterday, they could very well win the Eastern Division this year. If Tennessee goes on to an 8-4 season and a good bowl game, that will be major progress. There are nine football games left in the regular season, so we shall see how it all shakes out.
I also find it unfortunate that some of you have been poised and waiting for this moment to launch again on Coach Dooley. Was expected, no shock at all.
I just tell it like I see it and the TN teams the past 3 years fold like a wet suit once the going gets tough. Dooley just isn't a motivator. Bray is cocky as all shit when the team is rolling on offense but at the first sign of adversity he gets into moping stage. Then Chaney has his OL squatting in a 3rd down passing down stance on every play where they can't seem to get leverage on the lower DL in front of them. Bray is almost never under Center. And then either Chaney or Bray go into this longer pass down the sidelines which take all day to develop and are low % passes anyway. This reminds me so much of Fulmer and Randyman with these deep outs on the sidelines with 3rd and 7 to go.

And as I said a few months ago- this team doesn't have a single player (except Sentimore as a true FR at Bammer) who have played on even a mediocre college team. They have no earthly idea how to play in the 4th quarter of tight games but this comes down to Prep and Motivation by the coaches. Did you see Stanford play the 4th quarter last night against USCw??? Well I did. They lined up and said "we are going to run the ball down your throat for first downs" and did so. On defense they had 7 sacks on Matt Barkley including 3 late in the 4th quarter. This Stanford team lost a ton of talent off of last years team and had a first time starting QB. They also have a bunch of 3* white kids who are tough as nails and are coached well. UT on the other hand has THE most experienced team of starters in the entire SEC and still gets waxed by 17 points to UF. Oh, and BTW, UF had their best DL player who lead them in sacks in 2011 (Powell) out for the season. They were without 2 starting DB's in Riggs and Jenkins due to injury. They have a SO QB winning 2 straight road games in the SEC. They are ranked #3 in recruiting as we speak. Do you think they are happier with Muschamp than we are with Dooley?
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I saw a quote in here that stated in part "... so we can get back to being Tennessee." I'm not being the least bit flippant when I say - I've forgotten what being Tennessee really is.

When losses pile up, especially against rivals, it brings out the worst of frustrations in all of us. I tend to be a glass half-full guy, but the nature of my work over the years has forced me to see things from a perspective of big picture. And as a lifelong Vols fan, that's not always easy. That said, what is the big picture?

- Is Derek Dooley the answer? I ask this, not from just last night's game, but the full body of work to date? We talk about recruiting and not getting the kind of talent we need to possess to be able to compete with Bama, Florida, Georgia, LSU... but the question becomes circular because you have to win to get big recruits. But you need major talent to win consistently. What comes first, the chicken or the egg? Can Coach Dooley win enough (especially against rivals) to encourage major talent to come back to Knoxville?

- Does a game like last night send a message to college football that the Vols really are on the way back, or is it one more step backwards? Many have said we're certainly better than last year. And after three games, it appears we are. But being "better" at this point may well be relative. I think we'll have a better idea how much better we are by the end of October.

- I've used the example before and it bears mentioning one more time: Oklahoma went through 10 years and three coaches after Barry Switzer before finding their way back onto the college football map in a major way with Bob Stoops. USC had the same, with five coaches over 18 years before landing Pete Carroll. When Fulmer was let go, I said I felt it would take the Vols at least three coaching changes before finding the top floor again.

My biggest concern is whether the program has gotten to a point where we can't interest a major OC or DC to come to Knoxville - that's with the supposition that one is needed. Same thing for head coach. And what defines "major" these days? John Chavis was more ineffective at UT than he was effective... at least over the entire body of work in Knoxville. And yet at LSU, he spoken of in reverential terms. But the talent he's had to work with there is superior to what he had at UT, save for a handful of seasons. And that sends us back to the head coach. Do you want to play for Les Miles at LSU or Derek Dooley at Tennessee? Right now, that's been answered by looking at each team's roster.

I'm frustrated today, but it's only three games. And yet I said the same thing last year. And the year before. Like all of you I never give up on the Vols, but I think the question can be fairly asked: How many losses to a rival (Florida and Alabama) can a coach / program sustain before a change is made? If you're beating one of them, that helps. But when you lose to both... and a third (UGA)...
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Sep 16 2012, 10:45 AM
And another week to get back on the right track is lost. Dooley is not an SEC coach. He isn't even a sunbelt coach who can win. As for naked with a man, I see many excusers who apparently would jizz in their pants at the thought of getting nekkid with this loser. I wish one of them would do it and take one for the team if that would end this disaster of an experimental hire. The longer dooley is here, the longer it will be before we start heading in the right direction again. Look at his overall record, his record here and his SEC record. What more do you need to see? Recruiting is getting worse, motivation is non-existant, the players quit, dooley is lost on the sidelines and we continue to be a joke on a national stage. IT IS TIME.
You arent following me. Joke, quitting, no motivation, getting worse...just doesnt matter right now even if you are correct. I'm not actually arguing with anything you are saying, which not to say that I agree or dont: it's just that there isnt much point in harping on it right now, he's not getting fired immediately.

After the season? Maybe. But we arent there yet.
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