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Florida game a problem for the Vols
Topic Started: Sep 9 2012, 08:10 AM (375 Views)
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20111771/floridas-tough-road-win-against-am-could-prove-to-be-a-significant-one

I think Feldman makes a good point in his article. I am afraid the A&M game has awaken a sleeping giant. Fl has talent and when they are up for a game, they will be hard to beat. After watching Tenn this weekend against Ga State, several of the concerns have been answered. We have no running game! I doubt we can beat Fl just passing the ball. We have no kicking game. We will probably give them a short field with our punting and leave points on the field with our field goal kicking. Our defense is susceptible to giving up big plays like the slant Ga State used against us the hold game. Home field advantage didn't help A&M, but I believe it helps us somewhat. It's going to be a tough game where the Vols will have to rely on it's offense to win it in a high scoring game. Most of the time, that doesn't work out.
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The red dog is strong with this one ...

Tennessee is ahead of Florida in rushing, but we have the problem and they don't? Tennessee is WAY ahead of Florida in passing, but we have a problem and they don't?

Florida was ranked higher that TAMU, and they beat a team that they were supposed to beat, and somehow they are an "awakened sleeping giant"? Really?

Is Tennessee also an awakened sleeping giant because we beat North Carolina State, a game we were favored to win?

Muschamp and the gators barely beat Bowling Green and the Vols wholloped GSU ... but the Vols have the problem?

No

The gators have a problem. They are coming into the teeth of a powerhouse offense that has so many weapons that they can slap onto a defense that DCs curl into fetal positions ... Nick Saban has even said that Tennessee is a concern. Our defense is swarming and rattling and disrupting ... we may give up a big play here and there, but we are also snapping the head back of opposing quarterbacks as they are drilled multiple times into the turf of Neyland.

So, Vol nation, quit peeing in your pants every time an ignorant sportswriter thinks the 2012 Vols are the Vols the 2008-2011. We aren't. We are a mighty force that is playing in the Georgia Dome on December 1.

(I already have my hotel reservations).
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We are going to have to put them to sleep with short and medium passes then shake them awake with one running play up the middle for big yardage. We need to do that all day long and play well on defense.
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It doesn't matter how good or bad the running game is. It doesn't matter if UT throws it 60 times. It doesn't matter, as long as you outscore the opponent. UT has more firepower than UF, but UT must get over the mental hurdle that is UF.
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The NCSt game doesn't look that big of a deal since they were only able to beat Conn 10-7. You forgot to mention that Fl has a better defense than Tenn. The odds makers have made the game a toss up so far. Usually the home team gets 3 to 6 points because of that advantage. As I said, it's going to be a tough game.
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Sep 9 2012, 02:53 PM
The red dog is strong with this one ...

Tennessee is ahead of Florida in rushing, but we have the problem and they don't? Tennessee is WAY ahead of Florida in passing, but we have a problem and they don't?

Florida was ranked higher that TAMU, and they beat a team that they were supposed to beat, and somehow they are an "awakened sleeping giant"? Really?

Is Tennessee also an awakened sleeping giant because we beat North Carolina State, a game we were favored to win?

Muschamp and the gators barely beat Bowling Green and the Vols wholloped GSU ... but the Vols have the problem?

No

The gators have a problem. They are coming into the teeth of a powerhouse offense that has so many weapons that they can slap onto a defense that DCs curl into fetal positions ... Nick Saban has even said that Tennessee is a concern. Our defense is swarming and rattling and disrupting ... we may give up a big play here and there, but we are also snapping the head back of opposing quarterbacks as they are drilled multiple times into the turf of Neyland.

So, Vol nation, quit peeing in your pants every time an ignorant sportswriter thinks the 2012 Vols are the Vols the 2008-2011. We aren't. We are a mighty force that is playing in the Georgia Dome on December 1.

(I already have my hotel reservations).
+1
This board, by and large, has avoided the completely negative posts, particularly before a game is even played. However, I guess there is always going to be someone who can't celebrate a 51-13 victory, but instead has to immedately come here with negative paragraphs concerning a game that is yet to be played.
The no running game comment is absolutely hilarious. They probably already have 30 or 40 percent as many yards on the ground this year as they had all last season. :loco:
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Sep 9 2012, 02:53 PM
The red dog is strong with this one ...

Tennessee is ahead of Florida in rushing, but we have the problem and they don't? Tennessee is WAY ahead of Florida in passing, but we have a problem and they don't?

Florida was ranked higher that TAMU, and they beat a team that they were supposed to beat, and somehow they are an "awakened sleeping giant"? Really?

Is Tennessee also an awakened sleeping giant because we beat North Carolina State, a game we were favored to win?

Muschamp and the gators barely beat Bowling Green and the Vols wholloped GSU ... but the Vols have the problem?

No

The gators have a problem. They are coming into the teeth of a powerhouse offense that has so many weapons that they can slap onto a defense that DCs curl into fetal positions ... Nick Saban has even said that Tennessee is a concern. Our defense is swarming and rattling and disrupting ... we may give up a big play here and there, but we are also snapping the head back of opposing quarterbacks as they are drilled multiple times into the turf of Neyland.

So, Vol nation, quit peeing in your pants every time an ignorant sportswriter thinks the 2012 Vols are the Vols the 2008-2011. We aren't. We are a mighty force that is playing in the Georgia Dome on December 1.

(I already have my hotel reservations).
Nice write up, and after some thought, I am willing to bet my left testicle that your right. I want to win this game so damn bad! As an alternative to that I might consider going down on Debbie Wasermem Shultz if it meant a win!
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Let's be honest. You blast people all the time. That's being negative. If we express an opinion on here that you don't agree with about the Vols, are we not allowed to post it without being slam dunked like they do on the other board. Are all writers ignorant? I don't think so. I thought this board was designed to give a balanced approach to Tenn, allowing both sides of an argument. I guess we can't say anything negative before a game so let's all be dishonest and not express our views because some posters can't handle it.
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I admit I'm not at optimistic about a win over UF after this week as last week. It has nothing to do with UT, as a matter of fact we are better than I was predicting. The problem is I thought Florida looked better than I was predicting in the Tam game. I thought the QB made good decisions, they had quick receivers who catch the ball, the backs are better than ours, and their OL got stronger as game went on. Now in week one against Bowling Green I thought Florida was going to be pretty bad and maybe there is a chance Tam could be a bad football team.Florida could be beat up too. I still think we are going to win but don't have the confidence as this time last week.
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You articulated how I feel about the upcoming game with Florida. I am hoping that Florida is having trouble getting up for two tough road games in a row. They showed they can handle a hostile crowd at the A&M stadium, but I think we have a slight advantage being at home. I am going to the game so I'll get caught up in all the activities that takes place before the game. It helps ones intensity watching a toss up game.
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Sep 9 2012, 06:16 PM
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Let's be honest. You blast people all the time. That's being negative. If we express an opinion on here that you don't agree with about the Vols, are we not allowed to post it without being slam dunked like they do on the other board. Are all writers ignorant? I don't think so. I thought this board was designed to give a balanced approach to Tenn, allowing both sides of an argument. I guess we can't say anything negative before a game so let's all be dishonest and not express our views because some posters can't handle it.

Well, well, let me be honest with you. This is one of the last, if not only board on the net where a constant barrage of droning second guessing and negativity don't dominate the landscape. For those like you who can't wait even 24 hours before starting the hand wringing and searching for something that is wrong instead of highlighting what is going right, Tennessee football will never be what you expect it to be.
And what's this all writers BS you are asking about. I believe I have posted several times that all the guys on Volquest are accomplished writers who cover football and don't inject their ridiculous non-sense into their reporting. Patrick Brown in Chattanooga is also an excellent reporter. Mike Strange is a good writer. Tony Barnhart, by and large, is an excellent writer and reporter. Need more, just ax.
Now, let's see, you were lamenting the running game. OK, here's Tennessee's two game totals on the ground:
TEAM STATISTICS UT OPP
SCORING 86 34
Points Per Game 43.0 17.0
FIRST DOWNS 50 44
Rushing 16 16
Passing 32 24
Penalty 2 4
RUSHING YARDAGE 375 211
Yards gained rushing 409 302
Yards lost rushing 34 91
Rushing Attempts 81 73
Average Per Rush 4.6 2.9
Average Per Game 187.5 105.5
TDs Rushing 5 3
I assume you can assimilate these numbers. As you can see, the Vols have rushed for 375 yards, averaging 4.6 yards per rush. Any football coach will tell you if you ask that anything over 4.4 is good. Now, one year ago after two games, Tennessee had rushed for 254 total yards (ciphering that means 125 yards less than this year after two games) and were averaging a paltry 3.0 yards per carry. The Vols two game average this season on the ground is 187.5 yards per game, last year it was 127 per game. Did you expect them to average 250 yards on the ground this year? This offensive is geared to throw the ball, not run it. An average of almost 190 yards per game on the ground is more than enough rushing to help keep the defenses honest.
But your point is well taken and I shall do my best to refrain from responding to the moaning, groaning, fretting, and negative critiqueing that goes on here. Frankly, I'm tired of reading the other boards anyway and am really on reading the stories by those who cover the team on a daily basis. It gets old and really retards the enjoyment and satisfaction of a Tennessee victory.
Tennessee might struggle trying to run consistently on Saturday. If they do, so be it. Florida has a great defensive line and athletic linebackers as has been pointed out. But through two games, there has been an emphasis and a marked improvement in the running game and to say otherwise is absurd. :coolaid:
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Lonoz<br />Let's be honest. You blast people all the time. That's being negative. If we express an opinion on here that you don't agree with about the Vols, are we not allowed to post it without being slam dunked like they do on the other board. Are all writers ignorant? I don't think so. I thought this board was designed to give a balanced approach to Tenn, allowing both sides of an argument. I guess we can't say anything negative before a game so let's all be dishonest and not express our views because some posters can't handle it.
Well, well, let me be honest with you. This is one of the last, if not only board on the net where a constant barrage of droning second guessing and negativity don't dominate the landscape. For those like you who can't wait even 24 hours before starting the hand wringing and searching for something that is wrong instead of highlighting what is going right, Tennessee football will never be what you expect it to be.
And what's this all writers BS you are asking about. I believe I have posted several times that all the guys on Volquest are accomplished writers who cover football and don't inject their ridiculous non-sense into their reporting. Patrick Brown in Chattanooga is also an excellent reporter. Mike Strange is a good writer. Tony Barnhart, by and large, is an excellent writer and reporter. Need more, just ax.
Now, let's see, you were lamenting the running game. OK, here's Tennessee's two game totals on the ground:
TEAM STATISTICS UT OPP
SCORING 86 34
Points Per Game 43.0 17.0
FIRST DOWNS 50 44
Rushing 16 16
Passing 32 24
Penalty 2 4
RUSHING YARDAGE 375 211
Yards gained rushing 409 302
Yards lost rushing 34 91
Rushing Attempts 81 73
Average Per Rush 4.6 2.9
Average Per Game 187.5 105.5
TDs Rushing 5 3
I assume you can assimilate these numbers. As you can see, the Vols have rushed for 375 yards, averaging 4.6 yards per rush. Any football coach will tell you if you ask that anything over 4.4 is good. Now, one year ago after two games, Tennessee had rushed for 254 total yards (ciphering that means 125 yards less than this year after two games) and were averaging a paltry 3.0 yards per carry. The Vols two game average this season on the ground is 187.5 yards per game, last year it was 127 per game. Did you expect them to average 250 yards on the ground this year? This offensive is geared to throw the ball, not run it. An average of almost 190 yards per game on the ground is more than enough rushing to help keep the defenses honest.
But your point is well taken and I shall do my best to refrain from responding to the moaning, groaning, fretting, and negative critiqueing that goes on here. Frankly, I'm tired of reading the other boards anyway and am really on reading the stories by those who cover the team on a daily basis. It gets old and really retards the enjoyment and satisfaction of a Tennessee victory.
Tennessee might struggle trying to run consistently on Saturday. If they do, so be it. Florida has a great defensive line and athletic linebackers as has been pointed out. But through two games, there has been an emphasis and a marked improvement in the running game and to say otherwise is absurd. :coolaid:
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Even though I liked some of the things they did I didn't see Florida as a big play offense. Big plays could be a deciding factor. I do worry about the fact that the team with most rushing yds usually win this. I do think we are improved in that area but still a ways to go. I'm hoping any surplus UF has in rushing we can counter in big plays.
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Sep 9 2012, 11:58 PM
Even though I liked some of the things they did I didn't see Florida as a big play offense. Big plays could be a deciding factor. I do worry about the fact that the team with most rushing yds usually win this. I do think we are improved in that area but still a ways to go. I'm hoping any surplus UF has in rushing we can counter in big plays.
Every team we play is going to be a big play offense, both ways. This game will be in particular. They gave up 8 sacks to A&M.

As for the rushing yards being an indicator to who will win the game, that's true but a bit misleading. Spurrier beat the shit out of us for many of those years throwing the ball early, building a lead, then running the ball in the second half. Not that running the ball isnt important, but it's not like we need to come out in a single wing.
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Sep 9 2012, 02:53 PM
The red dog is strong with this one ...

Tennessee is ahead of Florida in rushing, but we have the problem and they don't? Tennessee is WAY ahead of Florida in passing, but we have a problem and they don't?

Florida was ranked higher that TAMU, and they beat a team that they were supposed to beat, and somehow they are an "awakened sleeping giant"? Really?

Is Tennessee also an awakened sleeping giant because we beat North Carolina State, a game we were favored to win?

Muschamp and the gators barely beat Bowling Green and the Vols wholloped GSU ... but the Vols have the problem?

No

The gators have a problem. They are coming into the teeth of a powerhouse offense that has so many weapons that they can slap onto a defense that DCs curl into fetal positions ... Nick Saban has even said that Tennessee is a concern. Our defense is swarming and rattling and disrupting ... we may give up a big play here and there, but we are also snapping the head back of opposing quarterbacks as they are drilled multiple times into the turf of Neyland.

So, Vol nation, quit peeing in your pants every time an ignorant sportswriter thinks the 2012 Vols are the Vols the 2008-2011. We aren't. We are a mighty force that is playing in the Georgia Dome on December 1.

(I already have my hotel reservations).
Watching the game in person - things about both programs were eye opening.

#1 the A&M offense - Manziel a RSF QB is SEC ready - the kid made good decisions - one after another. RB's C. Michael is NFL quality, (as long as he stays healthy) - all three of them Michael, Manela and Trey Williams can get it to the second level. As mentioned often Sumlin, who learned his stuff from J. Tiller & Kingsbury who learned his stuff from Leach is as creative/deceptive is a fine one - all working behind one of the best offensive lines tackle to tight end in the SEC. The Aggies also have some young WR's that catch the ball and gain YAC.

The Aggies offense was knocking the hell outta a damned good defense - Manziel shredding'em with his legs when called for and getting the ball to the receivers - in the money. That offense line is a fun one to watch with over 100 yards rushing - and over 250 yards in total offense just in the first half.

Defense - going in to the game the question mark was their DL - and they played well vs the Gators OL - and the linebackers are even better than advertised Porter specifically. Secondary isn't a good one. Just as they did last year - the Aggies are off to a good start sack wise - seems as if they had 20 on Saturday.

The Gators - Offense - Pease is still taking them down the BSU path - a power running game. Driskel seems to be a WIP - and in the second half used his running talent to its advantage. Throws a nice ball, FWIW. T.Burton is a very useful tool in this offense.

Defense - in the first half - the Gators defense was shredded, running between the tackles - then Manziel doing his thing. The secondary, playing man coverage played up to its pre-season hype. In the second half - Florida stopped the running game. Pure and simple - the Gators didn't change anything defensively - they stopped the run - Sumlin and Kingsbury didn't abandon the running game - the Gators shut it down. This is a man coverage team - and Muschamp wants a team to attempt to beat them with the pass.

What bodes well for Tennessee this coming Saturday? The Gators defense took a physical beating in College Station. The Ags did Tennessee a favor by beating the hell outta their 2 deep. The Ags flat beat their asses - and kept at it. In the 4th quarter some folks thought the Gator defensive players were laying on the field attempting to slow down the pace of the game - wrong. They were getting their sh*t blown up by the Aggies.

The Gator offense - the BSU piece, power running game is in place - and Driskel has that running skill set no former BSU possessed. IMO it was a plain jane offensive game plan vs the Aggies - nothing more nothing less. They executed the plays - and compared to their opening game cut down on mistakes. They played well on the road in a rather noisy stadium.
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