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Lets talk about Dooley's future
Topic Started: Aug 16 2012, 01:23 PM (334 Views)
*Zippy
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So all the talk in the off season was how Dooley is terrible and he's about to get fired.

That's all fine and good, but after the summer camp they've I'm not worried about that anymore. What I'm worried about is Dooley winning 9 games and being recognized as a coach who took Tennessee from their lowest point in the modern era back to competitive in 3 years, and since we have such a psycho fanbase he uses that recognition to jump on to a better job.

This is the most talented team, from top to bottom, that we've had since 2007 at the very least (in truth, probably since 2004). It's certainly the most talent we've had at once at QB and WR (which is saying something), may very well be as much talent we've ever had on offense...ever. This is going to be an exciting team, they are going to score some points and win some football games. My guess right now is 9 games + a bowl, and Dooley goes from the hot seat to being a hot commodity

Discuss!


/optimist on
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Rumor has it that Dr. Dooley had grown tired of moving around so much. They have young children. His dad was an Auburn man who went to Jawja and then stayed there, turning down his alma mater at least once or twice when they tried to lure him away from Jawja. I think he stays and either after this year or next, gets a nice raise and extension on his contract.
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Nine wins should be a foregone conclusion unless Coach Dooley screws it up with his propensity to gamble on 4th down deep in his own territory (think own 37 yard line). And in addition lets hope he has got his clock and game management acumen under control because up to now that part of his coaching has been lacking. Nine wins will certainly give a much needed push to recruiting this year and certainly next year.
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Who are the three losses that you project during these coming 9 win season?
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Shakearag
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I think we win more than nine, only losing to Alabama and Georgia.
Edited by Shakearag, Aug 16 2012, 02:19 PM.
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BJVOL III
Aug 16 2012, 02:01 PM
Who are the three losses that you project during these coming 9 win season?
I think 3 losses are likely out of:

Florida
Alabama
Georgia
Missouri (I think this game is going to be a basketball score, btw....70-63 or something would not surprise me in the least)
South Carolina
Bowl game

Most likely losses being Alabama (obviously) and Georgia.
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It's funny to read the people online and on twitter discuss Dooley. First, he needed to win 7 games or be shown the door. Then they upped the number to 8 wins or be shown the door. Now they are saying he has to win 9 games or be shown the door. Their auctioneer can now be heard saying, " Who will give me 10? Can I hear 10? Give me 10 one time....." :loco:
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My number is still 7 to keep his job but I feel like an 8-4 season is more probable. Win a bowl and make it 9 and there is optimism in Knoxville again.
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Any talk about numbers of win to keep a job is merely incessant psycho-babble.

First we are not going to finish below. 500.

Secondly, Dave Hart knows where this program has been, where it is now, and where it is going. He is not going to sabotage it with some goofy talk about fan generated babbling.
Edited by TennesseeTuxedo, Aug 16 2012, 06:13 PM.
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Zippy
Aug 16 2012, 01:23 PM
So all the talk in the off season was how Dooley is terrible and he's about to get fired.

That's all fine and good, but after the summer camp they've I'm not worried about that anymore. What I'm worried about is Dooley winning 9 games and being recognized as a coach who took Tennessee from their lowest point in the modern era back to competitive in 3 years, and since we have such a psycho fanbase he uses that recognition to jump on to a better job.

This is the most talented team, from top to bottom, that we've had since 2007 at the very least (in truth, probably since 2004). It's certainly the most talent we've had at once at QB and WR (which is saying something), may very well be as much talent we've ever had on offense...ever. This is going to be an exciting team, they are going to score some points and win some football games. My guess right now is 9 games + a bowl, and Dooley goes from the hot seat to being a hot commodity

Discuss!


/optimist on
Two things to consider;

The mindset - these days winning 7 to 9 games at Tennessee is a big deal. Not SECE championships - which a former HC at Tennessee was roundly taken to task for getting to the SECCG then losing.

Win 7 to 9 games - take the "moral victories" and things are good at Tennessee. Funny thing about those yapping about the easier schedule in 2012 vs 2011. Both South Carolina and Georgia are getting pre season top 10 hype. Missouri with a QB from hell - and DBG - a 6'6" nightmare WR, UF coming off an awful season - and Vandy. Folks the SECE may be chump change compared to the SECW - beating South Carolina, UGa, and UF is going to be challenging..

Can Hart grow revenues with a consistent 7 to 9 win type program at Tennessee?

IMO D. Dooley is cut from the same cloth of a long time SEC coach H. Nutt. Does a good job, wins games, maybe pulls off an upset within the conference now and then.

Mr.SEC has a deal up ranking SEC recruiting for 2012 - and the numbers are there to put Tennessee in that 7 to 9 win area - just based on recruiting..

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humbletx
Aug 16 2012, 07:03 PM
Zippy
Aug 16 2012, 01:23 PM
So all the talk in the off season was how Dooley is terrible and he's about to get fired.

That's all fine and good, but after the summer camp they've I'm not worried about that anymore. What I'm worried about is Dooley winning 9 games and being recognized as a coach who took Tennessee from their lowest point in the modern era back to competitive in 3 years, and since we have such a psycho fanbase he uses that recognition to jump on to a better job.

This is the most talented team, from top to bottom, that we've had since 2007 at the very least (in truth, probably since 2004). It's certainly the most talent we've had at once at QB and WR (which is saying something), may very well be as much talent we've ever had on offense...ever. This is going to be an exciting team, they are going to score some points and win some football games. My guess right now is 9 games + a bowl, and Dooley goes from the hot seat to being a hot commodity

Discuss!


/optimist on
Two things to consider;

The mindset - these days winning 7 to 9 games at Tennessee is a big deal. Not SECE championships - which a former HC at Tennessee was roundly taken to task for getting to the SECCG then losing.

Win 7 to 9 games - take the "moral victories" and things are good at Tennessee. Funny thing about those yapping about the easier schedule in 2012 vs 2011. Both South Carolina and Georgia are getting pre season top 10 hype. Missouri with a QB from hell - and DBG - a 6'6" nightmare WR, UF coming off an awful season - and Vandy. Folks the SECE may be chump change compared to the SECW - beating South Carolina, UGa, and UF is going to be challenging..

Can Hart grow revenues with a consistent 7 to 9 win type program at Tennessee?

IMO D. Dooley is cut from the same cloth of a long time SEC coach H. Nutt. Does a good job, wins games, maybe pulls off an upset within the conference now and then.

Mr.SEC has a deal up ranking SEC recruiting for 2012 - and the numbers are there to put Tennessee in that 7 to 9 win area - just based on recruiting..

And your opinion is idiotic. You are really a turd in the punchbowl. Take you opinion and stick it where the sund don't shine a-hole.
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TennesseeTuxedo
Aug 16 2012, 05:15 PM
It's funny to read the people online and on twitter discuss Dooley. First, he needed to win 7 games or be shown the door. Then they upped the number to 8 wins or be shown the door. Now they are saying he has to win 9 games or be shown the door. Their auctioneer can now be heard saying, " Who will give me 10? Can I hear 10? Give me 10 one time....." :loco:
No no, you are completely missing my point.

It isnt about how many games he needs to win to keep his job. I'm not worried about that. It's that he's going to win at LEAST 9 games, we dont have to worry about a minimum this year. We have to worry about the teams at the end of the year who suck, fire their coach...and want to hire someone to rebuild their team from the ashes like Dooley is about to do with UT.
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Also: Dooley has exactly zero in common with Houston Nutt. Nothing against Nutt or Dooley on this one, it's just a dumb comparison. For starters: Dooley is 10x the recruiter Nutt ever thought about being.

So back to being optimistic in this thread...
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Aug 16 2012, 07:47 PM
Also: Dooley has exactly zero in common with Houston Nutt. Nothing against Nutt or Dooley on this one, it's just a dumb comparison. For starters: Dooley is 10x the recruiter Nutt ever thought about being.

So back to being optimistic in this thread...
True they share no commonality - Nutt coached two SEC teams - Dooley one, so far.
Nutt, may have failed recruiting wise, but accomplished a few things as a HC in the SEC. Beating ranked teams, making it to the SECCG, playing in bowl games.

The point being Dooley can have a career (i.e. future) in the SEC - as did Houston Nutt.

Recruiting WTF? There was a HC at UF that ran circles around D. Dooley recruiting wise - and he lasted 3 seasons..

Funny you mention recruiting - as recruiting is the lifeblood of any program - excelling, maintaining, rebuilding.

SEC COMMITMENT COMPARATOR – 8/16/12
August 16th, 2012 11:42 AM║ Posted By: John Pennington ║ Permalink ║ Schools: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Vanderbilt
Tags: Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, SEC
The 2012 football season kicks off in just two weeks. But it’s also just 25 weeks until National Signing Day. For that reason, it’s time to check the ol’ Big Board again and see who’s doing what in terms of Class of 2013 commitments.

As usual, we use the star rankings provided by Rivals.com. For each star they hand out, we award one point. But for the prospects they’ve yet to grade — the dreaded 0-star recruits — we also give out a point. Hey, we’re nice guys.

We then look at the numbers in two different ways. First, we look at the total talent being brought into a program. That’s the top chart. Just straight total points.

Then, in the second chart, we rank the teams in terms of their average points-per-commitment. This gives you an idea of what type of athletes — generally — are giving handshake agreements to the SEC’s 14 schools.

First, a look at quantity:



School Commits 5-stars 4-stars 3-stars 2-stars 1- & 0-stars Total Points
Texas A&M 27 0 10 14 1 2 86
Georgia 26 0 10 13 0 3 82
LSU 22 0 15 7 0 0 81
Florida 19 1 10 6 1 1 66
S. Carolina 20 0 6 13 1 0 65
Alabama 18 0 11 6 1 0 64
Vanderbilt 19 0 3 16 0 0 60
Auburn 17 3 3 9 2 0 58
Tennessee 17 0 5 10 2 0 54
Ole Miss 18 0 2 12 2 2 50
Miss. State 17 0 3 10 3 1 49
Missouri 14 0 3 10 0 1 43
Arkansas 13 0 1 10 0 2 36
Kentucky 12 0 0 5 4 3 26


Now, a look at quality:



School Avg. Points/Commit
LSU 3.68
Alabama 3.55
Florida 3.47
Auburn 3.41
S. Carolina 3.25
Texas A&M 3.18
Tennessee 3.17
Georgia 3.15
Vanderbilt 3.15
Missouri 3.07
Miss. State 2.88
Ole Miss 2.77
Arkansas 2.76
Kentucky 2.16


Finally, as an added bonus, let’s just look at the high-end prospects who’ve committed so far. Below is the total number of combined 4- and 5-star prospects that each school has gotten a wink and a nod from:



School 4- & 5-star Commits
LSU 15
Florida 11 (one 5-star)
Alabama 11
Georgia 10
Texas A&M 10
Auburn 6 (three 5-stars)
S. Carolina 6
Tennessee 5
Miss. State 3
Missouri 3
Vanderbilt 3
Ole Miss 2
Arkansas 1
Kentucky 0


Observations:

* Kevin Sumlin and Texas A&M are to be taken seriously by their new SEC brethren. Lone Star State talent makes A&M an untapped gold mine.

* James Franklin continues to keep Vanderbilt near the middle of the SEC pack in terms of quality and quantity. Considering VU’s history, that’s A+ work.

* After a hot start, Missouri’s recruiting has cooled. Now, does that mean Gary Pinkel and crew just don’t like grabbing early commits and then having to sit watch over them? Or does it mean Mizzou’s gonna have a lot of work to do in Florida and Georgia. As of today, the Tigers’ commitments come from Missouri, Texas, Iowa and Kansas.

* Arkansas was doomed to suffer a tough recruiting year as John L. Smith and crew try to sell a captain-less ship. Still, if the Hogs take this time and find the right coach, that will make up for a one-season dip in recruiting.

* In posting these lists, I feel as if I’ve hand



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Zippy
Aug 16 2012, 07:45 PM
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Aug 16 2012, 05:15 PM
It's funny to read the people online and on twitter discuss Dooley. First, he needed to win 7 games or be shown the door. Then they upped the number to 8 wins or be shown the door. Now they are saying he has to win 9 games or be shown the door. Their auctioneer can now be heard saying, " Who will give me 10? Can I hear 10? Give me 10 one time....." :loco:
No no, you are completely missing my point.

It isnt about how many games he needs to win to keep his job. I'm not worried about that. It's that he's going to win at LEAST 9 games, we dont have to worry about a minimum this year. We have to worry about the teams at the end of the year who suck, fire their coach...and want to hire someone to rebuild their team from the ashes like Dooley is about to do with UT.
Sorry if you took it that way. I was talking about other websites and twitter tweets. I was not addressing you.
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