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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 18 2012, 02:54 PM (669 Views) | |
| LonzoVol | Jun 18 2012, 02:54 PM Post #1 |
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Great piece by Mike Strange in which he quotes former Vols from the teams of the 1980s. Basically they insist there would have been no great run in the mid to late 1990s had it not been for the foundations laid by some of those SEC championship teams under Coach Majors. http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/jun/16/mike-strange-harry-galbreath-80s-vols-set-the/ |
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| BJVOL III | Jun 18 2012, 03:16 PM Post #2 |
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Majors really did nothing until 1989, a team with offense but no defense. The 85 team was an overachiever team that lost 2 games and tied one. The big win was Miami. No other year was all that great during the 80's, except 89. Neither was Majors coaching. It took him over a decade before Tenn was relevant. Today he would be gone after a few years. |
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| gatewayghost | Jun 19 2012, 09:58 AM Post #3 |
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The 79' win over Notre Dame was nothing? How about the 82' win over #2 Bama ending Alabama's dominance of UT? How about beating Bama 4 in a row? How about the 83' team where we had our 1st 9 win season in forever and our 1st 1,000 yd rusher ever. How about the 85 SEC championship and perhaps winning most famous game in UT history in the 86' Sugar Bowl. The 87' season which was our first 10 win season since 1970. Of course there were a lot of bad moments too and losses in games we had more talent, but still, By Majors 3rd year, we were a much better program than when he took over and his first 2 years. |
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| humbletx | Jun 19 2012, 10:15 AM Post #4 |
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| BJVOL III | Jun 19 2012, 10:34 AM Post #5 |
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Ghost The win over ND in 79 was preceded by a loss at home to Rutgers. He lost to army and a host of other weak teams. What was his record against Alabama? How many seasons where his teams in the top ten--85&89, and he took over in 77. I think in Majors 3rd year we were creamed by Ga and Southern Cal. And look at Majors defenses--they were poor. And who was his top recruiter--Fulmer who developed the offensive lines that made Majors offense go. Majors first 12 years were horrible for a big time school like Tennessee. |
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| LonzoVol | Jun 19 2012, 09:26 PM Post #6 |
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Actually Coach Majors had three teams finish ranked in the final AP top 10, 1989 and 1990, when he won back to back SEC titles and 1985 when the finished ranked 4th in the nation. They were No. 5 in '89 and No. 8 in 1990. He also had four other teams finish in the top 20 in the final poll, three of them in the final top 15. He was 39-9-2 his last four years and left the cupboard loaded for the Philapotomous. I'll take Majors last 10 years over Flummo's last 10 years all day long. Flummo never won another SEC title after 1998 and played in only three BCS bowls in 16 years of coaching. |
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| BJVOL III | Jun 20 2012, 07:52 AM Post #7 |
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I was responding to Ghost about the 80's with top ten teams. There were only two then. When you compare Majors last 10 years to Fulmer's, Fulmer had a much more difficult schedule than Majors. Fulmer faced tougher coaches than Majors and didn't lose to a host of cupcakes like Majors. Also, Fulmer was Major's chief recruiter and his offensive coordinator those last few years of Majors head coaching. In the whole time Majors coached, Tenn was not considered elite, while Fulmer teams had that reputation in the mid 90's and early 2000's. Fans shouldn't let their biases against Fulmer interfere with their judgment of coaches. Look at the facts. |
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| humbletx | Jun 20 2012, 08:29 AM Post #8 |
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1985 - Tennessee, Florida top 10 teams - Alabama & LSU top 25 - Beat Alabama, lost to Florida. 1989 - Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama all top 10 teams. Beat Auburn, lost to Alabama 1990 - Tennessee, a top 10 team, Florida, Auburn, & Mississippi in the top 25. Beat Auburn, Florida, & Mississippi - lost to Alabama Beating the Canes in the Big Easy certainly a highlight - as Miami was the team of the decade.. |
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| *Zippy | Jun 20 2012, 09:09 AM Post #9 |
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Tied Auburn in 1990, unfortunately. Die in a fire Greg Burke. |
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| BJVOL III | Jun 20 2012, 12:41 PM Post #10 |
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When you look at Majors 17 year record, it is quite unimpressive. He only had top 10 teams 3 times, which is a weak record for a program like Tennessee. Most coaches could have achieved that or better. |
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| LonzoVol | Jun 20 2012, 01:59 PM Post #11 |
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72 percent of the Duke of Doughnuts wins came against teams that finished the season with a below .500 record. One fourth, or 26 percent of his entire total of 152 wins came against three teams, Candy, Kensucky and Ole Piss. |
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| *Zippy | Jun 20 2012, 02:16 PM Post #12 |
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Lonzo: I'm not sure how far off other coaches would be in that scenario. Most successful coaches...or, actually, most coaches period...probably have a majority of wins vs. teams with losing records. Maybe not 72%, but probably between 65-75%. Statistically speaking it's just likely. Further, find another coach that was a head coach at ONLY one school, that plays in a conference and essentially plays the same schedule every year. He'll beat the crap out of the cellar dwellers, too. He won 26 percent of his games vs. them because they were roughly 20% of the total games he coached, and he only lost to the three once. Just saying: those stats are nowhere near as bad as people try to portray them to be. Every coach, every team, plays crappy opponents every year. Fulmer did a great job of winning the games he was supposed to win for the vast majority of his career. Those stats are nowhere near as important to the discussion as is his record against teams with a winning record, ranked teams, etc....and how THOSE stats stack up with his peers. I do not know what those stats are, by the way (and frankly I dont really care, just sayin') |
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| BJVOL III | Jun 20 2012, 04:18 PM Post #13 |
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Lonzo What was Majors record using the same method that you used to discredit Fulmers 72% wins? And what was Majors record compared to Fulmer against teams they were suppose to win? Fulmer a did far better than Majors. Majors also was the most disloyal head coach of all, dumping assistant coach after assistant coach. And then he couldn't take it when Fulmer supposedly knifed him in the back. Both have character issues and both should have been fired before they were. But of the two, Fulmer was more successful because he was a better coach. The facts support that. Anyone who can't admit that has a clouded view of Tennessee football history. |
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| Hermitagevol | Jun 20 2012, 05:32 PM Post #14 |
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UGA beat UT 16-15 in 1980 and 44-0 in 1981. USC at that time was a true NC contender. If Majors hadn't beaten Bama in 1982, I would have loved to see him go. His overall record against Bama was terrible, but he was, and still is, a UT icon. Majors never had a team with a great defense, and that was one of his biggest faults. |
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| BJVOL III | Jun 20 2012, 06:20 PM Post #15 |
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Hermitage That's one of the things Fulmer did when he took over, build a defense. I believe in 81 Tenn had a good record but losing the way they did to UGA and USC showed how deceiving the record was. They say you win championships with defense, and it is one of the reasons Majors can't be viewed as a top notch coach. |
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