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Interesting Recruiting Tidbit
Topic Started: Jun 18 2012, 11:09 AM (629 Views)
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This spring I attended a presentation by an Ohio recruiting service that provides services directly to colleges that hire them. He has no SEC teams, mostly Big Ten, MAC, Big East and some others. In his presentation, he brought up Tennessee. He said Alden Hill was a better player than 5 star Ohio State commit (Dunn I think) He said that Tenn offers about 180 players, a few who they would never take but wanted to establish a relationship with the HS coach. He said if one of these kids ever accepted the offer, Tennessee would say they filled there needs in that area. I went up to him after the presentation and told him I was a Tennessee grad and he was surprised that anyone from Tenn would be there. I asked him how Hill got interested in Tennessee and he said it was when he camped at Tenn in the summer. I don't remember name of the service but that he follows about 200 players, all in Ohio.
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He said Tennessee makes offers, but that the offers are not legitimate?
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Jun 18 2012, 12:19 PM
He said Tennessee makes offers, but that the offers are not legitimate?
I'm guessing there is more to than rumor. Dooley has offered a large # of scholarships - and IMO most are of the 1st come 1st served type - nothing uncommon about that either, as every HC does something along those lines.

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Jun 18 2012, 12:28 PM
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He said Tennessee makes offers, but that the offers are not legitimate?
I'm guessing there is more to than rumor. Dooley has offered a large # of scholarships - and IMO most are of the 1st come 1st served type - nothing uncommon about that either, as every HC does something along those lines.

He didn't say 1st-come-1st serve ... he said that they were not real offers.

I just looked over the offers that we've made to Ohio HS players over the last five years. All the offers appear to be SEC talent and eventually sign with major college programs. I'm not sure why we wouldn't take these young men if they wanted to come to UT.

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He didn't limit the offers to those who were not "real offers" just to Ohio. Again, he was using Tennessee as an example, other schools must be doing the same thing. This guy knew what was going on. This not something I saw on a website and if you want to discredit the report, do so. The high school coaches in the audience didn't seem to object to the content. To think colleges don't do this is pretty naive. I don't know why he would make this up. Maybe you know more than I know. I am just reporting it.
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Jun 18 2012, 01:23 PM
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He didn't limit the offers to those who were not "real offers" just to Ohio. Again, he was using Tennessee as an example, other schools must be doing the same thing. This guy knew what was going on. This not something I saw on a website and if you want to discredit the report, do so. The high school coaches in the audience didn't seem to object to the content. To think colleges don't do this is pretty naive. I don't know why he would make this up. Maybe you know more than I know. I am just reporting it.
I don't claim to know anything, but this just seems counter-productive.

We all know that high school coaches can have a strong influence on the college choice of a player. But if a college coach is attempting to build a pipe-line by promising a scholarship and then reneging on that offer ... well ... it just seems to create the opposite effect. If I were a high school coach and Dooley has exhibited a pattern of offering bogus scholarships, then there is NO WAY that I would encourage a player to go to Tennessee.

Now, it would be another thing for the coach to say, "Mr. High School quarterback, we are taking one quarterback in the class and we are offering you and 6 others. But, we will only be taking one in this class." Then, the player knows that once a quarterback is committed, the door is closed.


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Rev it is practiced widely by many schools. Ala offers about 200 players a year, when some kid of marginal talent tries to commit they will keep him on hold until they see if the big dog Saban wants is going to commit. Dooley does it, he even kept two kids on until just before signing day as commits, then told them to look around about a week before signing day. Everybody does it, you try to get the best 25 you can possibly get every year.
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Jun 18 2012, 02:05 PM
Rev it is practiced widely by many schools. Ala offers about 200 players a year, when some kid of marginal talent tries to commit they will keep him on hold until they see if the big dog Saban wants is going to commit. Dooley does it, he even kept two kids on until just before signing day as commits, then told them to look around about a week before signing day. Everybody does it, you try to get the best 25 you can possibly get every year.
Again, the motivation that is described by the Ohio recruiting guy implies that the player has no chance to come to Tennessee - these players are a "never take".

It isn't a "wait and see" or "we'll take you if options A, B, and C don't commit" sort of offer - I realize that these things happen.
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The way it was presented at the talk, it wasn't reneging on an offer, it was telling the player that Tenn met it's need at that position. It could also be that Tenn tells the player that Tenn is interested but waiting on another offer, even though Tenn is not interested in the player. I don't know how they do it, I am reporting only what I heard. I also don't think it is counter-productive because the coach can proudly tell the player that although he has an offer from a great school like Tenn, it's in the player's best interest to go a school where he will play more. It's a win-win for the HS coach, player and Tenn. The HS coach knows what's going on and appreciates Tenn throwing him a bone to make his program look good. I suspect there is something like this taking place but I really don't know how it works.

Galla is right on getting the best players and pulling offers. I would think this practice pisses off a high school coach more than what I reported. But since Tenn "cherry picks" in out of state high schools, I am not sure it hurts us that much. In state, whether it is Ala or Tenn or someone, the coaches have to be very cautious doing that because they need HS coaches on their side for many years. Out of state, not so much.
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Jun 18 2012, 02:30 PM
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The way it was presented at the talk, it wasn't reneging on an offer, it was telling the player that Tenn met it's need at that position. It could also be that Tenn tells the player that Tenn is interested but waiting on another offer, even though Tenn is not interested in the player
This happens all the time.

I was launching off your original statement that there was an offer that would never, under any circumstances, be accepted ... and simply to establish a relationship with the school.


Now that I think of it, it doesn't make logical sense to offer a player in order to establish a pipeline.

Coaches want a pipeline to a school because that school produces talent that Tennessee wants - and it if produces such talent, then the coaches would make offers to those talented players, and not to other players it would not want.

On the other hand, if the school did not produce such talent, then Tennessee could care less if it has an "in" with the school.
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Why would this guy make up such story?
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Jun 18 2012, 03:19 PM
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Why would this guy make up such story?
Perhaps you misunderstood ... or, perhaps he is trying to give Tennessee a bad reputation. I mean, don't we always talk about how Bammer and Auburn are buying any recruit that we want?

By the way, I asked Hubbs about this to see if he has ever heard of it. I'll let you know when he responds.
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I don't think I misunderstood. The guy seemed quite positive about Tennessee, since all this started with Alden Hill being a better prospect than the 5 star Ohio State recruit. If anything, Ohio State looked bad not getting Hill and taking a lesser recruit in their own state. He seemed like a honest guy who had no intention of making anyone look bad. Hubbs may or may not know that this takes place, but this guy has a number of schools that pay him for his services. He's not like Rivals or others who play to the public. He has creditability with colleges and has to maintain that.
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The recruiting services believe in their opinions and their own personal interests, just as a coaching staff does. All are going to have versions of what takes place in the recruiting process.

There is no doubt that many schools recruit over a player and suggest that a kid go elsewhere for playing time. Other times an offer is withdrawn. It happens. Then you have p-layers who leave the coaching staff in the lurch by de-committing and going elsewhere.That is the double edged sword of recruiting.
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I agree with you that the recruiting services who sell their services only to colleges believe in what they do and they know what the coach is looking for in a player. The services like these have to produce or the college will drop them. The other services like ESPN don't necessarily believe in what they do, only how much they can earn.
What was different from this guy was Tenn offers few players who they know will not be good enough to play for Tenn. If the kid tries to commit, Tenn will say that they have filled their needs at that position. That is what he said, which is different from recruiting over a player.
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