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Don't the coaches always know more than fans
Topic Started: Jun 15 2012, 08:07 AM (609 Views)
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humbletx
Jun 15 2012, 10:52 AM
OrangeRev
Jun 15 2012, 10:17 AM
TennesseeTuxedo
Jun 15 2012, 10:02 AM
Why aren't the recruiting mag writers in the coaching business if they are so savvy in recruiting?
Actually, a better question would be ...

Do you want our staff to use the recruiting mag writers for recruiting evaluations, or do you want our staff to bring in the athletes and do the evaluations?

In later years, Fulmer did the former, and look how that turned out for us.

Now how the hell does Dooley and his staff evaluate so many players - to the point having made over 200 scholar ship offers? I know they are good at their jobs, recruiting wise - but I have a difficult time believing they are somehow better than Saban and his bunch - who IIRC have made < 80 offers.

Out of that 200 plus number - how many would fall in to the top 300 recruits nationally?

I didn't realize so many kids have made the trip to Knoxville to be evaluated by Dooley and the coaching staff.

Texie, don't you remember this thread you made on what Tennessee spends on recruiting?

Player evaluations are not just done in Knoxville ... most of them are done on the road, in the player's home towns. Hundreds and hundreds of HS Jrs and Srs are evaluated every year by the staff, and this is done all over the country.

Tennessee has to cast a wider net than Alabama does simply because more HS kids want to play for Alabama and Saban than for Tennessee and Dooley.
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OrangeRev
Jun 15 2012, 11:35 AM
humbletx
Jun 15 2012, 10:52 AM
OrangeRev
Jun 15 2012, 10:17 AM
TennesseeTuxedo
Jun 15 2012, 10:02 AM
Why aren't the recruiting mag writers in the coaching business if they are so savvy in recruiting?
Actually, a better question would be ...

Do you want our staff to use the recruiting mag writers for recruiting evaluations, or do you want our staff to bring in the athletes and do the evaluations?

In later years, Fulmer did the former, and look how that turned out for us.

Now how the hell does Dooley and his staff evaluate so many players - to the point having made over 200 scholar ship offers? I know they are good at their jobs, recruiting wise - but I have a difficult time believing they are somehow better than Saban and his bunch - who IIRC have made < 80 offers.

Out of that 200 plus number - how many would fall in to the top 300 recruits nationally?

I didn't realize so many kids have made the trip to Knoxville to be evaluated by Dooley and the coaching staff.

Texie, don't you remember this thread you made on what Tennessee spends on recruiting?

Player evaluations are not just done in Knoxville ... most of them are done on the road, in the player's home towns. Hundreds and hundreds of HS Jrs and Srs are evaluated every year by the staff, and this is done all over the country.

Tennessee has to cast a wider net than Alabama does simply because more HS kids want to play for Alabama and Saban than for Tennessee and Dooley.
I doubt Tennessee casts a wider net than Alabama - doubt that to the nth degree OR.

Their Heisman trophy winner - from Michigan as an example. Maybe Saban just recruits those kids the "recruiting services" label 4 and 5 star players?

A wider net - with evaluations of > 200 offers? Saban, Miles, Chizik, Sumlin & Muschamp are running the same highways and byways as Dooley - How is it Dooley offers so many - and the afore mentioned guys miss the boat, per se?

How does Dooley and his staff do such a guick turn around "evaluating" to the point of tripling the # of offers made by Alabama? Now, to dumb this down a bit - 14 teams in the SEC - 25 scholarships per year - that comes to a grand total of 350 signees. How is it that Dooley and his staff have the abilities above and beyond to find > 200 kids who are SEC caliber to make so many offers?

FWIW I've a fair understanding of recruiting in the 21st century - personally as we have a kid who was one of those B list type recruits as well as a SIL recruited by Saban when he was running things in Red Stick. He'll be one of those who'll gladly tell you there is no one in the college game that recruits at the level Saban does..
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A lot of Dooley's offers are not committable offers. We saw last year as Dooley got better, more ready to play kids he let 3 or four long time commits "look around". All good coaches make offers they are not sure they will take in the end.
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humbletx
Jun 15 2012, 04:00 PM

How does Dooley and his staff do such a guick turn around "evaluating" to the point of tripling the # of offers made by Alabama? Now, to dumb this down a bit - 14 teams in the SEC - 25 scholarships per year - that comes to a grand total of 350 signees. How is it that Dooley and his staff have the abilities above and beyond to find > 200 kids who are SEC caliber to make so many offers?
I don't think you are this dense .... but perhaps you just don't appreciate the situation with Tennessee, so let me put this in terms you might understand.

If your favorite school (Texas) offers a Texas kid, there is a high probability they will go to Texas. And since Texas only has a limited number of scholarships that they can actually provide, Texas offers only a few kids knowing that there is a high probability they will want to come to Texas. How many? Looks like there are only 31 offers for those 25 slots.

Tennessee is not such a school. We are neither a "destination" school for football players (right now) nor are we located in a region overflowing with talent. For every 10 players we offer, only one of those might eventually have enough interest in Tennessee to sign ... Alabama is much more like Texas, and for every 3-4 players Saban offers, one of them will want to come to Alabama.

If Saban offers 260 players, he will have 50 or 60 kids wanting to accept his offers. If Dooley offers 260 players, he will have 20-25 eventually accepting his offer.

All schools have about the same number of scholarships to offer, but not all schools are as desirable to HS athletes.
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OCIvol brought this up on VN.
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I believe that only 2 (Ferguson and Miles) of our 12 current commits were rated by Rivals prior to committing.....Two of the unrated players are now 4-stars. Point is, Rivals is behind most of the time.


and another point is that our coaches recruit based on their own evaluations rather than rely on and trust recruiting services 100%.
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Jun 15 2012, 04:43 PM
humbletx
Jun 15 2012, 04:00 PM

How does Dooley and his staff do such a guick turn around "evaluating" to the point of tripling the # of offers made by Alabama? Now, to dumb this down a bit - 14 teams in the SEC - 25 scholarships per year - that comes to a grand total of 350 signees. How is it that Dooley and his staff have the abilities above and beyond to find > 200 kids who are SEC caliber to make so many offers?
I don't think you are this dense .... but perhaps you just don't appreciate the situation with Tennessee, so let me put this in terms you might understand.

If your favorite school (Texas) offers a Texas kid, there is a high probability they will go to Texas. And since Texas only has a limited number of scholarships that they can actually provide, Texas offers only a few kids knowing that there is a high probability they will want to come to Texas. How many? Looks like there are only 31 offers for those 25 slots.

Tennessee is not such a school. We are neither a "destination" school for football players (right now) nor are we located in a region overflowing with talent. For every 10 players we offer, only one of those might eventually have enough interest in Tennessee to sign ... Alabama is much more like Texas, and for every 3-4 players Saban offers, one of them will want to come to Alabama.

If Saban offers 260 players, he will have 50 or 60 kids wanting to accept his offers. If Dooley offers 260 players, he will have 20-25 eventually accepting his offer.

All schools have about the same number of scholarships to offer, but not all schools are as desirable to HS athletes.

A) Texas, as a state is recruited - nationally - nothing earth shattering for those who pay any attention to recruiting > 300 kids commit to what has been referred to as Div1. Since you've joined the bang wagon - many of these kids are "SEC quality" just ask Missouri with > 40 Texas HS kids on their team.

All the instate BCS programs recruit OOS - again, nothing unusual about that either. How often do they win the recruiting war - not at a level compared to instate kids. - WTF do you expect a Texas program to pull kids out of the Dooley pipeline with Charlie High?

B) Focus, focus, focus, - Dooley has > 200 offers of scholarships - nation wide. Saban does not offer 200 + scholarships - since you consider yourself some sort of recruiting guru - you should know this by now. Hell, he didn't offer 200+ when he was an unknown recruiting for LSU.. I have more than a great appreciation for my school (make that two schools Tennessee and UVa) - as we have two (2) family members recruited, and offered scholarships by the University of Tennessee in the 21st century. We get back home often - more so in the fall. Its easier cause we still own a home in Blount County - and now have kids living in that god forsaken sh*t hole called Nashville.

None the less these kids were recruited by Tennessee as well as LSU, Alabama and Florida. With Tennessee being the exception - none of the rest offer 200 + ships in football - period. Saban didn't do it when he was in Red Stick - and he doesn't do it today. Since Dooley is the guy who made Saban - how is it today his is so different than Saban - recruiting wise? Again, Saban isn't doing anything different than he did recruiting wise at LSU..

E) Neither your or the resident Aggie can explain how Dooley and his staff can evaluate then offer such a large number of scholarships - Key word "evaluation". How is it that Dooley and this new coaching staff can doe something that no other program does.
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Not saying Dooley isn't better, but those recruiting services do a pretty outstanding job. There's always some misses but overall the teams that finish high in recruiting rankings finish high on the field unless you just have really good recruiting coaches and bad developers like us with Fulmer from 2005 on.
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