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Should College Coaches Prepare Their QBs For The NFL?
Topic Started: Mar 5 2010, 09:19 AM (406 Views)
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Faceoff: Should college coaches prepare their players for the NFL?

I don't think that it is a responsibility owed to the NFL. Rather, it is a responsibility to the team and to the player, to make their players the most fundamentally sound player that they can be. It only improves the team's performance on the field. If I were an aspiring QB, I would think twice about about attending a school that does not work to improve the fundamentals of it's QBs like Urban Meyer failed to do. If Meyer had put an emphasis on teaching Tebow how to throw the ball better and read defenses better, could his team have beaten Bama and won another National Championship?

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College coaches have a responsibility to win games. If I want to run a wishbone offense, everybody on the planet knows my QB isnt going to be ready for the pro bowl in the NFL as a rookie.

I think it is more the responsibility of the players, their parents, their highschool coaches, and other people who guide their decision to make the right choice in picking a college. If you have two scholarship offers, you go where you can. If you are Tim Tebow and have a standing offer to go wherever you want to go...if you want to be a pro QB, you pick a school that produces pro QBs.

So my question isnt so much whether or not a coach has any responsibility to prepare a kid for the NFL. He doesnt. MY question is whether or not the kid should be allowed to transfer without penalty if the coach leaves.

Say I pick a school because they run a pro style offense, then after my RS Fr year...going into my RS soph year where I'm going to be the man....the school up and fires the pro style coach and hires a johnny-come-lately spread option coach. I'm fucked. The new coach can cut me loose, but I cant leave on my own. That's screwed up...
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College coaches have a responsibility to win games. If I want to run a wishbone offense, everybody on the planet knows my QB isnt going to be ready for the pro bowl in the NFL as a rookie.


Doesn't it make sense that you have a better chance at winning with a player who has been properly taught the fundamentals of his position? Wishbone is an aberration.

How many times did we read and hear from UTs fans who were pissed at the QB coaching after Cutcliffe left UT the first time? Our QB play was much improved when he was here under Fill.

Just how are players going to learn the proper mechanics in college if the coaches are not going top teach them to the player? Osmosis?
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Does it make sense? Sure. But would UF have been more successful had Tebow been more QB and less Fullback? Probably not. Urban prepared Tebow to be the QB of the University of Florida, not the Green Bay Packers. And his preparation produced what is arguably the best college football player of a generation. Hard to say he breeched his duty, there.
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No doubt that Urban dropped the ball on Tebow. If he had totally prepared Tebow, maybe Florida would have beaten Bama. Tebow would have been even better and more dangerous had Urban Meyer made the effort to teach his student what he needed to know to beat the best teams in the future. Urban dropped the ball and if IO were a QB with dreams of the NFL, I would turn my nose up at Florida.
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I have a hard time saying a guy who coached a kid who, in 4 years, won 2 NCs, a heisman, ran for 3,000 yards and 60 TDs, passed for 9.5k yards and 90 TDs (to only 15 ints) dropped the ball.

I'm sorry, that's about the most impressive college QB any of us have ever seen...and we are VERY unlikely to see that repeated. To say his coached dropped the ball is just...wrong. Urban coached Tebow to run Urban's offense and win games for Florida, not to run the Saints offense and win games to New Orleans.

edit: however, I agree with you on one thing. If I were a QB coming out of highschool with dreams of playing QB in the NFL, I wouldnt go to Florida. That's true.
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I guess my thoughts would center around the "perfect world" on this one. First offer is an education and character building (ideal) and then what can he do with his skills for the best interest of the team. Now secondly, I think Tebow loved UF so much that he would have gone there if they played tag football. I don't think he was giving the NFL any thought. I don't know that but I'm basing the opinion on what I seemed to observe during his four years under Meyer.

I don't know that "raising the height of the arm" would have had any effect on the UA game. I think this had more to do with him not have a good core of receivers.

After this run on list of sentences, I have to agree with you, that it was not Meyer's responsibility to develop Tebow for the NFL
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Mar 5 2010, 09:19 AM
Faceoff: Should college coaches prepare their players for the NFL?

I don't think that it is a responsibility owed to the NFL. Rather, it is a responsibility to the team and to the player, to make their players the most fundamentally sound player that they can be. It only improves the team's performance on the field. If I were an aspiring QB, I would think twice about about attending a school that does not work to improve the fundamentals of it's QBs like Urban Meyer failed to do. If Meyer had put an emphasis on teaching Tebow how to throw the ball better and read defenses better, could his team have beaten Bama and won another National Championship?

winning big time in college is the point of college football. Winning - seems you've missed the point ---- oooooooh wait - you're a huge fan of Jay Cutler - and yep the folks at Vanderbilt did a fine job getting him ready for the NFL.

But ask yourself - *why* aren't the cream of the crop coming out of HS flocking to Vanderbilt.

FWIW - Meyer sent one of his QB's to the pros at Utah - won a NC with a capable QB outta NC - won another with a kid who'll get a shot at the NFL - and will have another on the field who has the potential to make it to the NFL. All in all not a bad track record..

That sorry assed coach from Cookeville is getting ready to send his 3rd QB to the NFL - outta that screwed up HS shotgun zone/read/spread offense - and the kid that may be a starter for him this fall - certainly has the pedigee to make it to the pros.. HTW is he doing that?
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I'd love to hear what you folks would say if we did not hire a QB coach.

Why hire a QB coach if you are not going to work on the QBs fundamentals and mechanics?

Why not hire Chuck Smith as the QB coach?
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Rather than answer an unrelated strawman question, I'll answer a fictional pertinent one.

I would be absolutely ecstatic if we get Tebow-esqe QB play from now until the end of time, and I dont care if any of them every play a down in the NFL.
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You are missing what I stated- it's not the coaches job to to prepare the player for the NFL. it is his job to teach him the proper fundamentals and mechanics that will help the team. These mechanics and fundamentals take care of much of the readying process that leads them to becoming a better player and NFL prospect.

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Responsibility to whom?

The coach's first job is to win games. You could say that by putting a bunch of qb's in the NFL you will attract more good qb's, but that's the only reason he might want to prepare them for the NFL.....but that's not a responsibility.......
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And you are missing what I am saying.

Urban DID teach Tebow the proper mechanics and fundamentals to help his team. HIS team, not a NFL team. The Gators, not the Giants. And for Urban's team, the fundamental that most helped his team's chances to win was Tebow's fundamentals and mechanics of ramming head first into the LOS like a fullback rather than a pre snap read of cover 2. Everything built from that, not the other way around. He certainly did not fail UF or his team with Tim Tebow. He won 2 NCs in his 4 years. If that's failure, damn near every coach in football history has failed with every player and every team they have ever had.

I'd take Urban and his horrible fundamental teaching at UT in even trade for Dooley, without any hesitation. I dont care if we ever have a QB that plays pro ball, either.
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Responsibility to whom?

The coach's first job is to win games. You could say that by putting a bunch of qb's in the NFL you will attract more good qb's, but that's the only reason he might want to prepare them for the NFL.....but that's not a responsibility.......
Isn't preparing your QB properly part of winning?

Florida won because they were very talented across the board and had a QB who ran the football like a big tailback and fullback. It definitely wasn't because he could fit a pass into tight windows with a tight spiral.

Nobody is advocating that it's their job to solely prepare these guys for the NFL It is not. However, their work should be to prepare their players to be the best at what they do and in the case of a QB, to prepare to throw the ball properly, so to maximize your efforts on the field. When the college coach does that job, he has set the stage for his player to go onto the next level.

Let's see how fans react if Darin Hinshaw struggles in developing our QBs and fails to teach them fundamentals that ultimately cost our team a victory.
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Mar 5 2010, 03:51 PM


Florida won because they were very talented across the board and had a QB who ran the football like a big tailback and fullback. It definitely wasn't because he could fit a pass into tight windows with a tight spiral.

Exactly!
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