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Gators Success Does Not Translate To NFL
Topic Started: Mar 3 2010, 06:28 PM (195 Views)
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Gators Success Does Not Translate To NFL

As successful as Florida has been in the collegiate football world, they have been just as unsuccessful in the NFL.
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To a man, nearly every pick (save maybe Alex Brown of the Bears) since 2001 out of Gainesville has been disappointing, up until Percy Harvin stopped the bleeding this season. The list of first and second round picks that amounted to nothing has been pretty staggering:

Gerard Warren, Kenyatta Walker, Lito Sheppard, Jabar Gaffney, Mike Pearson, Reche Caldwell, Rex Grossman, Taylor Jacobs, Ben Troupe, Keiwan Ratliff, Chad Jackson, Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson, Derrick Harvey, and Percy Harvin.

I'd say that Percy Harvin was pretty successful in the NFL as a rookie. The rest have been so-so at best.

The Gators have been criticized for posting blazing speed times for their players and publicizing their times in the 40 in order to strike fear in the hearts of their opponents. However, come Combine time, the Gators times are .20 -.25 seconds slower at the NFL Combine than they were timed at Florida. Hype.
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Mar 3 2010, 06:28 PM
Gators Success Does Not Translate To NFL

As successful as Florida has been in the collegiate football world, they have been just as unsuccessful in the NFL.
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To a man, nearly every pick (save maybe Alex Brown of the Bears) since 2001 out of Gainesville has been disappointing, up until Percy Harvin stopped the bleeding this season. The list of first and second round picks that amounted to nothing has been pretty staggering:

Gerard Warren, Kenyatta Walker, Lito Sheppard, Jabar Gaffney, Mike Pearson, Reche Caldwell, Rex Grossman, Taylor Jacobs, Ben Troupe, Keiwan Ratliff, Chad Jackson, Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson, Derrick Harvey, and Percy Harvin.

I'd say that Percy Harvin was pretty successful in the NFL as a rookie. The rest have been so-so at best.

The Gators have been criticized for posting blazing speed times for their players and publicizing their times in the 40 in order to strike fear in the hearts of their opponents. However, come Combine time, the Gators times are .20 -.25 seconds slower at the NFL Combine than they were timed at Florida. Hype.
Indicator - superior coaching.

For someone who fawns endlessly over the NFL - and fail to understand how it works is crazy..

So called careers are short - many times last less than the years spend in college. Don't produce - there is always a FA to fill that slot.

Coaching changes - and quality of coaching is suspect..

Now the advantage of attending and playing for a powerhouse program like Florida - vs say a kid out of Lane College is obvious when it comes to the draft (money)

And yea success in the NFL is all about money.
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Now there's a big shocker. I think it was the only girl on this board that told y'all that the Gators aren't as good as y'all THINK they are and it's because CUM ain't the coach y'all think he is. Yeah, this was a shameless selfserving pimpage of a post, but I'm in a bad mood and need to make myself feel better.
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humbletx


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Mar 3 2010, 06:28 PM
Gators Success Does Not Translate To NFL

As successful as Florida has been in the collegiate football world, they have been just as unsuccessful in the NFL.
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To a man, nearly every pick (save maybe Alex Brown of the Bears) since 2001 out of Gainesville has been disappointing, up until Percy Harvin stopped the bleeding this season. The list of first and second round picks that amounted to nothing has been pretty staggering:

Gerard Warren, Kenyatta Walker, Lito Sheppard, Jabar Gaffney, Mike Pearson, Reche Caldwell, Rex Grossman, Taylor Jacobs, Ben Troupe, Keiwan Ratliff, Chad Jackson, Jarvis Moss, Reggie Nelson, Derrick Harvey, and Percy Harvin.

I'd say that Percy Harvin was pretty successful in the NFL as a rookie. The rest have been so-so at best.

The Gators have been criticized for posting blazing speed times for their players and publicizing their times in the 40 in order to strike fear in the hearts of their opponents. However, come Combine time, the Gators times are .20 -.25 seconds slower at the NFL Combine than they were timed at Florida. Hype.
This is a local guy - knows his stuff, and is the son of a well respected NFL coach..

During the next couple of months, the draft stock of Joe Haden will be evaluated and debated throughout draft meetings and across the Internet following his disappointing 40 time at the combine. For those of you who missed it, Haden ran a 4.57 which would place him about 30th out of all the defensive backs at the combine.

Straight line speed is not the only factor teams consider when looking for a cornerback and it is not necessarily indicative of how a cornerback can cover. However, if you can't stay with a wide receiver on go routes, defensive back coaches and coordinators become very afraid to put you on the field without safety help. And this is now where Joe Haden probably stands with many teams.

I texted back and forth with one scout who has studied the cornerbacks including Joe Haden and he told me that Haden wasn't exceptional enough on tape to get away with running a 4.57. In fact, he told me that he feels pretty strongly that Haden won't go in the top 15. I will take it a step further and say that both Eric Berry and Earl Thomas will be drafted ahead of him and I think there is an outside chance that Boise State CB Kyle Wilson moves ahead of him as well if he works out well at his Pro Day.
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There are guys who go up or down at the combine based on their performances and there are guys who go up or down based on their performances but there are also players who are helped or hurt by the scales or the tape measure. Here is a list of players who helped themselves just with simple measurements from the combine.

Chad Jones, S, LSU - 6'02" / 221: Jones played in the 230 range while at LSU and one scout told me "he's just too fat right now" during the season. However, Jones came into the combine looking slimmed down which no doubt helped his 40 time.

Earl Thomas, FS/CB, Texas - 5'10" / 208: Most evaluators believed that Thomas played around 188 pounds this season and there were concerns that he would not only be too light, but also below 5'10. Instead, Thomas came in just a shade over 5'10" and at an eye-opening 208. While he may not carry that much weight as a rookie, he looked noticeably bigger, which helped a great deal.

Bruce Campbell, LT, Maryland - 6'06" / 314: The height and weight on Campbell was never going to be an issue, and I'm not sure there were any physical issues to worry about coming into the combine, but Campbell's 36.25" arm length is even more important to o-line coaches than his speedy 40 time.

Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama - 6'3" / 354: Actually Cody came in at 6'3.5" to be exact, but the fact that he lost 17 pounds since the Senior Bowl will certainly help him with some teams. Many teams will look at Cody's weight loss as temporary, but if he can continue to get down and come even lighter at his pro day on March 10th, he will help himself even more.
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We always hear about guys who "made themselves money" thanks to their workouts at Indy, but one guy who not only solidified himself, but upped the ante from a respect standpoint has to be Missouri LB Sean Weatherspoon.

Weatherspoon isn't the tallest LB around at just over 6'0", but he is a solidly built 239 and he was tremendous with his athletic tests. In the 40 yard dash he ran 4.68 which was just a tick slower than TCU's Daryl Washington (4.66) and more than fast enough for his position. His 34 bench reps were 2nd highest amongst LBs while his 40" vertical leap and 10'03" broad jump showed his explosiveness.

All that is great, but what impressed me and many of the people I spoke with who watched Weatherspoon was how fluid and quick he was in his position drills. Weatherspoon showed a great ability to start, stop, and change directions with great explosiveness. Maryland left tackle Bruce Campbell may get the hype because of his workout, but Weatherspoon is an example of a very good player having a very good workout rather than Campbell who is a pretty good player having a very good workout.
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