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| I find it interesting that the Crompton defenders | |
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| IndianVol | Sep 23 2009, 12:25 PM Post #1 |
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are the same guys who were defending Fulmer all these years. In traversing through Volchat (an act I don't do much, but for some weird reason felt compelled to do today), guess who are defending Crompton? The comments are usually "Nick was not any better last year", or "Crompton has all the tools", or "I will root for him to succeed". You can root for him to succeed, but is it fair that we have all this competition at the other spots, but Crompton, a guy who has throw 7 ints in 3 games, can't be touched? I don't. I like Kiffin and support everything he is doing, but I differ with him on this... IMO he should start Stephens against Ohio, The guy deserves a chance, just like Crompton has already, to prove what he can do...THIS YEAR, IN A NEW SYSTEM. Crompton has proven he doesn't have it. Move on, cut your losses. If Stephens is no better, we're screwed, but we're screwed with Crompton anyway. |
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| volchef | Sep 23 2009, 12:44 PM Post #2 |
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save the U.S. don't let your kid play soccer
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I agree with you, but it's Kiffin's team and job. He is risking losing it and dying at the noose of JC. His perogative. After enough, enough outrage will ensue and he'll be out on his Kiester. Free Market football at it's best. It's not risk free for him. Don't sweat it. |
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| GregAmsler | Sep 23 2009, 12:59 PM Post #3 |
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I don't believe in free market football. This isn't a democracy (neither is our government). It's a democratic oligarchy (so is our government). We put Lane Kiffin in charge of leading our football program to success. But he is the one responsible for making all the small decisions that lead to that success, not the fans. Where the democratic part comes into play is that we the fans have to right to create enough outrage to get him fired if he doesn't succeed. It's not up to us to determine how he succeeds and it's not our job to determine who plays and who doesn't. If Lane Kififn wins the SEC title for 10 years straight without throwing a pass the entire time, I'm fine with that and so should be the rest of our fans. It's success. This year won't determine Kiffin's success or failure (at least not on the field...the recruiting he does this year certainly counts). Therefore, Kiffin's success isn't really tied to Crompton. He was left with no good choice at QB. We need to understand that. If he still has no good choice at QB in 2 years, he has a problem. |
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| volchef | Sep 23 2009, 01:05 PM Post #4 |
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save the U.S. don't let your kid play soccer
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I'm not sure where your issue lies with what I said, because I said the same thing as you. I have never ever insinuated our government is free, but I do believe in the premise of free markets...of which Lane Kiffin is a part and that same market will determine if his ideas are acceptible or if the market would like to try something else. |
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| GregAmsler | Sep 23 2009, 01:48 PM Post #5 |
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Please delete. Double post.
Edited by GregAmsler, Sep 23 2009, 01:51 PM.
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| GregAmsler | Sep 23 2009, 01:50 PM Post #6 |
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| IndianVol | Sep 23 2009, 02:10 PM Post #7 |
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I have no doubt Kiffin will succeed, my OP is not about that. I am talking more about success this season, or as much success we can have. We can't have too much with JC at the helm, putting up 10 points a game. I just hate to see a great defense go to waste. |
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| volchef | Sep 23 2009, 02:48 PM Post #8 |
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save the U.S. don't let your kid play soccer
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I think there was talk when BJC left that he was told that Kiffin was playing JC no matter what and blaming this year on the F bomb...I'm sure I remember that being said by some. It's looking like there may be something to that, but I'm not entirely sure why. I didn't think you were being contentious GA I was just perplexed and actually we don't diagree at all because I too do not believe that his fortunes rest on this year...but if we get our asses handed to us by Ohio and Candy I could see some recruits get a bit nervous. I do think he isn't immune to all criticism. Edited by volchef, Sep 23 2009, 02:50 PM.
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| GregAmsler | Sep 23 2009, 03:17 PM Post #9 |
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I've said all along that I'm no so much concerned about record as I am about seeing improvement as the year goes on. But yes, if we go 1-11, we got problems. But if we win 7 games and improve as the year goes on, giving us momentum into next year, I'm fine with that. I'd like to see more of the young olinemen play this year. Douglas is getting to start now and Shaw has been a starter. That's two who will be back next year. Has JeQuari Schofield played any? I read that they were really high on him. Coach O thought he was the best OL recruit in the nation last year. I'm guessing he'll start next year, so I'd like to see him play some. |
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| gallavol | Sep 23 2009, 03:23 PM Post #10 |
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Cynical Idealist
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There has never been an "Open Competition" at the QB position since Kiffin arrived at TN. I don't know why, there has been at every other position. I am convinced that before spring practice Kiffin had already decided on Crompton as his starter no matter what. Why? Kiffin is coaching up every other position and the team as a whole with high demand for performance, but at QB Crompton keeps his job with abysmal performance. Why? Stephens may be even worse, but how could he know what he is like in a game without putting him in a game? Especially when the offense is just begging for a change at QB. I love everything about the Kiffin Era except this. |
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| El Jeffe | Sep 23 2009, 03:23 PM Post #11 |
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I am not a Crompton defender, but I do trust this staff. If they say he gives them the best chance to win, then that means we ain't got much of a chance, but I believe them. I agree that everyone has the right express to their opinion but to not go to games because you disagree with the coaches on who should play is just irrational and immature. Sure, if this was year 3 and we KNEW a better QB was sitting the bench while Qb play had been and still was costing us games then I'd be right there with you. But this is early in year 1, we do not know NS would be any better and this staff has done one hell of a job in all other areas. I also remember when a lot of folks were demanding another QB besides Manning play, but for some reason I can't remember his name. Maybe the lack of trust is because of what baffoons the last staff was. Kinda like when I tell #3 that I'm not her ex-husband, so quit judging me like I am? Bottom line is this staff has earned a lot more support than some seem willing to give. More football knowledge and experience is concentrated on this coaching staff than anywhere else in football, period. If they were showing piss poor decision making in other areas, poor coaching or anything else questionable I would feel differently. But I remember last January many were doubting their recruiting abilities, in March they were calling Kiffin an embarassment and in August were questioning his practice methods. I think he proved the doubters wrong in each of those instances and have to believe he knows what he is doing, he's proven he does over and over. Edited by El Jeffe, Sep 23 2009, 03:26 PM.
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| IndianVol | Sep 23 2009, 04:55 PM Post #12 |
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That would be Branndon Stewart. I was always on the Manning wagon, but many liked Stewart because he could run, and he reminded them of Shuler. |
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| IndianVol | Sep 23 2009, 04:56 PM Post #13 |
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I think it had to do with the fact that Stephens was injured. I don't think Stephens is much better than JC, but he can't be worse, IMO, so give him a shot. I do think he can throw downfield better. |
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| El Jeffe | Sep 23 2009, 05:55 PM Post #14 |
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Since most agree NS is not much, if any, better than JC then would this make a lick of sense? Continue to play JC, it isn't going to make a lot of difference. In the mean time continue working with NS's mechanics and understanding of the playbook while you can and hopefully turn him into a serviceable QB for next season instead of sacrificing him now. The guy has game experience already so that may not be a huge factor and I'm afraid we're definately gonna need him next year. Hell, imagine if he got hurt, where would we be for next season? I don't know, just a thought. |
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| IndianVol | Sep 23 2009, 07:05 PM Post #15 |
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I don't know that he's not better. We think so because JC has beaten him in practice. How will Nick play in a game, no one knows. I'd like to know. |
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