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Outraged by Glenn Beck’s Salvo, Christians Fire Back; religion/news
Topic Started: Mar 14 2010, 08:18 AM (408 Views)
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Glenn Beck urged Christians to leave churches that
used what he called code words for Communism and
Nazism.


March 11, 2010

Outraged by Glenn Beck’s Salvo, Christians Fire Back

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
New York Times

Last week, the conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck called on Christians to leave their churches if they hear preaching about social or economic justice, saying they were code words for Communism and Nazism.

This week the remarks prompted outrage from several Christian bloggers. The Rev. Jim Wallis, who leads the liberal Christian antipoverty group Sojourners, in Washington, called on Christians to leave Glenn Beck.

“What he has said attacks the very heart of our Christian faith, and Christians should no longer watch his show,” Mr. Wallis wrote on his blog, God’s Politics. “His show should now be in the same category as Howard Stern.”

In attacking churches that espouse social justice, Mr. Beck is taking on most mainline Protestant, Roman Catholic, black and Hispanic congregations in the country — not to mention plenty of evangelical churches and even his own, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Mr. Beck said on his radio show on March 2, “I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.”

“Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I am going to Jeremiah Wright’s church,” he said, referring to President Obama’s former pastor in Chicago. “If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Go alert your bishop.”

Religion scholars say the term “social justice” was probably coined in the 1800s, codified in encyclicals by successive popes and adopted widely by Protestant churches in the 1900s. The concept is that Christians should not merely give to the poor, but also work to correct unjust conditions that keep people poor. Many Christians consider it a recurring theme in Scripture.

Mr. Beck himself is a convert to Mormonism, a faith that identifies itself as part of the Christian family, but is nevertheless rejected by many Christians.

Philip Barlow, the Arrington professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University, said, “One way to read the Book of Mormon is that it’s a vast tract on social justice.”

“A lot of Latter-day Saints would think that Beck was asking them to leave their own church,” he said.

Mr. Barlow said that just this year, the church’s highest authority, the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, issued a new “Handbook of Instructions” in which they revised the church’s “threefold mission” and added a fourth mission statement: Care for the poor.
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For what's worth, my opinion is that there should be NO politics in religion (churches), period. Can't the leaders just stick to their faith? Or is it related to a power thing?


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The American Constitution alows this idot to say what ever he wants on tv and radio. By the way, FOX News pays Beck 23 million dollars a year for saying this bullshit, he's living the American dream.


Edited by Bruce, Mar 14 2010, 01:54 PM.
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I'm just making a generalization here. There should be NO politics from religious leaders. Preach your faith and leave political comments out of the press... and their places of worship.
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Mar 14 2010, 02:07 PM
I'm just making a generalization here. There should be NO politics from religious leaders. Preach your faith and leave political comments out of the press... and their places of worship.
In the USA and Canada, a church can lose it tax free status by using the church for political purposes, including preaching. But, preachers have learned to walk that very fine line in order to get political.
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Mar 14 2010, 02:07 PM
I'm just making a generalization here. There should be NO politics from religious leaders. Preach your faith and leave political comments out of the press... and their places of worship.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with what Beck is saying at all. But that is, of course, often a matter of opinion isn't it.

As for what he does make, how does that have anything to do with what he does say or does not say in the first place? Anymore than it would have to do with what those in governments says or does not say as well. Their able to retire after serving in congress for 1 year on the same salary they made while working, as I understand it. So how great is that. Like if Blanche Lincoln does not win the senate race, she still gets paid anyway. Whereas if Beck loses his job he doesn't get a dime. Not to mention all the perks our representatives are getting while in office as well. Which some people are finally complaining about. Especially our tax dollars paying for all their trips, along with all of those they take with them on these trips too. And Lord only knows what else. And concenring the wastefulness being done there, I am just getting started on that issue. which if anyone saw Hannity's program about where much of the stimulus monies went he told about last week, was ridiculous. I mean, we really do need bridges that nobody uses much anymore rebuilt, not to mention some of it goin goverseas to promote jobs over there too. I thought it was to promote them here, not over there. :-) And who cares about finding out how ants works. My wondering how many jobs were added to find that one out? :-)

Just saying, at least he is not getting from the tax payers anyway. But from Fox News instead. Meaning that be their business what they do pay him of course. Along with all the rest of them too.
I understand what your saying here. But disagree both ways. Saying this because many politcal issues do have to do with Christian principles in the first place. And therefore, pastors have a responsibility to bring those issues out to the congregation IMHO.

Also, consider that it never said anyone involved in a religion, whether it be Christian or not, should have not have anything to do with political issues in the constituion at all. Our forefathers meaning to say that government should not have any control over any church or religious group instead. Naturally as long as that gourp stays within the limits of the laws of course. As certainly no religious group has a right to murder, steal or harm another in any way just because they are a religious group naturally. But government has no right to tell a religious group what they can preach, as I understand what the original intent was in the beginning. As long as it fallswithin the guidelines I have mentioned there naturally. As no religious group has a right to preach to others, encouraging them to go out and murder another certainly either. But the religious group should have a right to preach against murder, even the murdering of babies that have not yet born as well.

Meaning we need to keep a balance concerning what they did mean when they wrote what they did write to begin with. Doesn't really take a rocket scientist to know what they did intend. But does require someone to know why they did say it, in order to keep that balance. Their saying what they did because of the oppression they ran from to begin with in the first place, coming to America to be free to worship as they wanted to. all of this being proven in History. Plus I wonder, how many today are even taught what the constitution does say today, let alone what it also did say originally, before they did establish the corporation of the US put into place by Lincoln concerning the 10 mile radius surrounding Washington DC right before he was conveniently shot to death, acording to History at least, by the infamous John Wilkes booth right after this also took place.

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Mar 15 2010, 05:15 PM
I understand what your saying here. But disagree both ways. Saying this because many politcal issues do have to do with Christian principles in the first place. And therefore, pastors have a responsibility to bring those issues out to the congregation IMHO.
This is just a personal thing with me... not a legal issue.

I do believe that religious groups should not mix politics with their religion (a pipe dream, I know). Leaders of those groups should stick to preaching their faith. If they want to get political, by all means do so, but not as a leader or spokesman for a religious group and not to their followers. When I see this happening, it really turns me off that group. :thd:

It's just as I see it.
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This is a prime example of what scripture refers to as 'serving two masters'....and why christians are called to be separate from the 'world'.

Yet....most christians are so deceived and choose to engage full force into this 'world'.....deceived into thinking they have an 'obligation' or duty to make god's ways active....in governments of this world....and scripture clearly says....the god of this world is satan....therefore in essence actually working AGAINST G-d in doing so.

Clearly Jesus or the Apostles never voted or acting the politics of their day. Jesus said to obey the laws of the land and give unto Ceaser what is his and all that....which is paying taxes etc....but never endorsing the co-operation or activity of being part of governments of this world.

Most all of what goes on in this time that has 'christian' stamped on it....is a deception...if Jesus returned tomorrow...he would hardly recognize the religion that bears His name.

anyone...just a few thoughts.


Hope ya'll are doing well and life is treating you fairly.

gerard
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Mar 16 2010, 09:07 PM
Most all of what goes on in this time that has 'christian' stamped on it....is a deception...if Jesus returned tomorrow...he would hardly recognize the religion that bears His name.

Well said, Gerard. Posted Image

Thanks for the good wishes.... hope you are well as well. My best to your Mom. :smile:
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Great Jabs
I will pass on your kind regards to her.

Blessings to you and yours.


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Mar 17 2010, 10:35 PM
Great Jabs
Jabs? :bgrin: :egfc:
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