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| xray | Jan 9 2010, 02:43 PM Post #1 |
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Fourth Church Hit by Firebombs Over 'Allah' Ban![]() Jan. 9: People gather as an investigator inspects the damage to Good Shepherd Lutheran Church are seen in Petaling Jaya, near Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Saturday , January 09, 2010 AP KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A fourth church in Malaysia was hit by firebombs Saturday, stoking concern among Christians as a dispute rages over the use of the word "Allah" by non-Muslims. The latest incident occurred after three other churches were firebombed Friday, just days after a Kuala Lumpur court ruled non-Muslims to use the word "Allah" to refer to God in their literature. Bishop Philip Loke said two firebombs were believed to have been thrown at his Good Shepherd Lutheran Church early Saturday but missed the glass windows, hitting the building wall instead. He said church members discovered two burned patches on the wall at midday and found glass splinters on the ground. There was no damage to the three-story building in the Petaling Jaya suburb in central Selangor state. "Why resort to violence? These attacks are a cowardly act and a crime against the Christian population," Loke told the Associated Press. The Dec. 31 court decision incensed many Muslims, who see it as a threat to their religion. Hateful comments and threats against Christians have been posted widely on the Internet, but this is the first time the controversy has turned destructive. Selangor police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said the attacks indicated the work of amateurs. "We don't think the attacks were planned or coordinated. We believe they were carried out by hooligans or mischievous prankster trying to take advantage to stir the situation," he said. Investigations are ongoing but there are no witnesses so far that could help in the probe, he said. The court ruling followed a petition by Malaysia's Roman Catholic Church, whose main publication, the Herald, uses the word "Allah" in its Malay-language edition. The ruling also applies to the ban's broader applications such as Malay-language Bibles, more than 10,000 copies which were seized last year by authorities because they translated God as Allah. The Herald says its Malay edition is read mainly by Christian indigenous tribes in the remote states of Sabah and Sarawak, who speak a variety of languages but pray mostly in Malay. But the government contends that making Allah synonymous with God may confuse Muslims and ultimately mislead to them into converting to Christianity, a punishable offense in Malaysia despite a constitution that guarantees freedom of religion. It suggests using "Tuhan," but Christians say Tuhan is more like "Lord," and can't replace "Allah." The debate has split the Muslim community. Hundreds of Muslims held peaceful protests in mosques nationwide Friday but some leading Muslim scholars, activists and opposition politicians have supported the Christians' right to call God Allah. About 9 percent of Malaysia's 28 million people are Christian, including 800,000 Catholics, most of whom are ethnic Chinese or Indian. Muslims make 60 percent of the population and most of them are Malays. At least one church canceled its Friday Mass while some other churches have beefed up security. The Allah ban is unusual in the Muslim world. The Arabic word is commonly used by Christians to describe God in such countries as Egypt and Syria. The confiscated Bibles came from neighboring Indonesia, an overwhelmingly Muslim country. Bassilius Nassour, a Greek Orthodox bishop in Damascus, Syria, called the Malaysian government's position "shameful." "It shows Malaysia to be a backward, pagan state because God teaches freedom for everyone, and the word 'Allah' is for everyone," he said. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wow, this shows my ignorance. I thought Allah meant God. I guess the Muslims disagree. |
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| Beancounter | Jan 9 2010, 10:10 PM Post #2 |
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xray, I am with you on that one, I always thought that the Arabic word "Allah" is the translation of "god." Obviously the court thought so too. It would appear we are wrong. There are Christians, even Bible scholars, who claim that the God of the Jews and Christians (Jahveh) is the same person as the god of the Muslims: Allah. That is where I draw the line: That can not possibly be true. Why not? The Christian Bible clearly teaches that Jahveh has a son: Jesus. That is the basis of the Christian religion, and where it differs from Judaism and Islam. Almost 30 years ago we were in the mosque with the Golden dome in Jerusalem, everybody has seen pictures of it. I do not read Arabic, but I am told that inside there is an inscription on the wall that states: "Allah has no son." So there we are: Jahveh has a son, but Allah does not. So they can not possibly be the same person. When I see how many crimes and murders have been committed by "the religion of peace" in the name of "Allah," why would Christians demote Jahveh and call him Allah? Does nor make sense to me. Unless of course they were deluded (as we were) in to thinking that it is just the same and a matter of translation. Looking at the evidence, I am now wondering if the Arabic "Allah" might be the same being that Judaism and Christianity call "Satan." |
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| ReallyOrnery | Jan 10 2010, 04:23 AM Post #3 |
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Hi, Y'all ~ Isn't religious diversity wonderful? Aren't you glad that "your government" has brought you such divergent religious points of view? Can you imagine what a world it will be like for your grandchildren? Doesn't it make you happy to know that you saddled your progeny withn such religious hatred? Belly up to the bar, drunks, your "tolerance" will condemn your grandchildren to a world filled with suffering and death, just like that experienced in the Mddle East. Isn't diversity wonderful? RO |
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| Beancounter | Jan 10 2010, 07:44 AM Post #4 |
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It all has to do with "pluralism" a.k.a. Political correctness. Which was invented by Marxism. |
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| xray | Jan 10 2010, 11:29 AM Post #5 |
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Beans, prior to reaching the above line of your post , I was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder what the Muslims would think of that? RO, I wish our Charter and your Constitution could be changed, so that we could ban Islam. If you want to convert.... come on in. You don't? Go somewhere else! Of course, that isn't going to happen.
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| ReallyOrnery | Jan 11 2010, 03:45 AM Post #6 |
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xray: The US Constitution has zero to do with any religion other than the Christian faith. None of the founders of the the United States were anything but Christians. Their efforts were directed at prohibiting any sect of the Christian faith from being made a state-sanctioned religion. There were no Mohammedans, Buddhists or Voo-Doo witch doctors at that constitutional convention; such nonsense was considered paganism and unworthy of conbsideration. The only religion the founding fathers were concerned with was that relative to the Christian faith. RO |
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