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Beneath the Ashes annoys non-360 owners...; MASSIVE PLOT SPOILERS
Topic Started: Feb 25 2009, 01:39 AM (189 Views)
Spong	Feb 25 2009, 01:39 AM Post #1
King of Everything Posts: 229 Group: Honorary Moderators Member #15 Joined: Sep 3, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Male	So, Beneath the Ashes was finally released this week and opinions have been mixed at best. Obviously most 360 owners think it's brilliant (surprise surprise), but everyone else has been left feeling royally ripped off. But not because they're missing out on an extra level, it's because of the plot. I distinctly recall the Crystal PR pimps absolutely promising that the storyline of Underworld would be left untouched and that the two bonus levels for the 360 would merely be extra playgrounds for players to hurl Lara around in. But all that's changed... MASSIVE SPOILERS TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOT PLAYED UNDERWORLD Beneath the Ashes is set after the events of Underworld, so at the start the situation is this; Croft Manor is destroyed, Alister, Natla and the Doppelgänger are all dead. Or so we thought. No matter what version of Underworld you've played, by the end of the game Natla is destroyed (death by Thor's hammer and a dip in the eitr) and the Doppelgänger enjoyed a similar fate. But all this has been turned on its head by the DLC. As it turns out, at the commencement of Beneath the Ashes, Natla isn't dead at all and neither is the Doppelgänger. It's also revealed that the Doppelgänger is apparently a thrall herself. Also, as a mark of complete sloppiness, it's worth noting that none of these plot negating facts are explained. So how is this not altering or touching Underworld's storyline? Okay some might argue that, by the end of Lara's Shadow - the second level to be made available to 360 owners at some point - the plot will probably be at the same point as at the end of Underworld (with Natla & the Doppelgänger being dead...again), but how does this leave the rest of us? At the very least, Beneath the Ashes & Lara's Shadow contains chapters of the Underworld plot that the rest of us will never get to see/play. What annoys me is that Crystal/Eidos have lied. Again. And I think it sucks.



Lara's Shadow	Feb 25 2009, 09:23 AM Post #2
Legend Of Lara Posts: 43 Group: Members Member #33 Joined: Feb 1, 2009 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Female	It sucks. I'm kinds hoping in the next DLC that Natla does finnaly get killed , so technically, everyone else hasn't really missed any story points. Either way, she's dead. Knowing CD that probbaly won't happen. [off topic] My hands are freezing. [/offtopic]



Tessa	Feb 25 2009, 02:53 PM Post #3
TheTimeTravelingVampire Posts: 1,334 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Aug 23, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Female	le sigh Goes back to playing the core games and pretending there new



Rai	Feb 25 2009, 03:36 PM Post #4
Raider on the run Posts: 49 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR:A Male or Female Female	To be fair, doesn't the eitr reanimate corpses? If so isn't it possible that both the Doppel and Natla are now thralls? Being still 'new' thralls they haven't started to disintegrate. Amelia wasn't a complete thrall yet and she'd been in Helheim for 20 or so years. Plus Natla as a bonus is an Atlantean God, so maybe this helped her in some way with being different to a normal thrall? I realise that yes, this is stretching the realms of possibilities and the TRU storyline to it's limits, but I still think this is a possible answer. I was however hoping for completely standalone stories for the DLC.
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Spong	Feb 25 2009, 04:31 PM Post #5
King of Everything Posts: 229 Group: Honorary Moderators Member #15 Joined: Sep 3, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Male	I can't deny that the plot is explainable if you stretch the plausibility and your own disbelief threshold (no corpse in the world would be in the condition Amelia's was after 20 years, she'd be little more than bones), but these things should've at least been explained clearly in BtA. And they weren't, they weren't explained at all. So as far as I'm concerned, it's nothing beyond speculation. But speculation only 360 owners can rightly have because the rest of us can't play these extra parts of the story. That's the part that really angers me. Quite honestly, after this, it's not only Eidos' name I want removed from the box of the next game.



Rai	Feb 25 2009, 06:32 PM Post #6
Raider on the run Posts: 49 Group: Members Member #3 Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR:A Male or Female Female	I see your point. If there had been a plausible explanation for the return of Natla and the doppel, then it would be more acceptable. But there is none. We are just supposed to accept their return. Maybe it will be explained in Lara's Shadow, but it would have made more sense to explain it in BtA. We always knew that the DLC was Xbox exclusive, so nothing new there. Again it would easier for PC/PS3/PS2 and Wii players to accept (to a point) if the story was standalone. To make a blatant continuation isn't fair to them. It makes the TRU ending obsolete. Edited by Rai, Feb 25 2009, 06:33 PM.
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Singstar90210	Mar 3 2009, 11:36 AM Post #7
TR Mythbuster, Avid 007 Fan, Fanpire, and Official OMwD Patient Posts: 1,040 Group: Admins Member #14 Joined: Aug 27, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Female	My goodness. Shocking. All I can say is that I hope I can get some tickets to Tokyo before my birthday. EDIT: Even more shocking! There's only two cutscenes in the entire game! The first one had really great visual quality, but the second one was just plain scary and un-Lara-like. It feels like there's too many visual plotholes in the game. I haven't played TR:U yet, but how did Lara get down there AFTER the house was burnt? Edited by Singstar90210, Mar 3 2009, 08:57 PM.
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Spong	Mar 5 2009, 12:32 PM Post #8
King of Everything Posts: 229 Group: Honorary Moderators Member #15 Joined: Sep 3, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Male	Once more, that's something else not really explained. Admittedly it's something I'd consider a more minor detail, but a detail nonetheless. There's no real indication as to when BtA takes place. Obviously it's after Underworld's conclusion so Croft Manor itself will be in ruin, but beyond that no one's really sure yet, maybe Lara's Shadow will answer that, but I'm not holding my breath.



Tessa	Mar 5 2009, 12:40 PM Post #9
TheTimeTravelingVampire Posts: 1,334 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: Aug 23, 2008 Your favorite TR? TR1 Male or Female Female	They really need to let go of Underworld... Enough is enough. Rolls eyes



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