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Reign of the Massaru
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Post #31 Dec 10 2009, 12:56 AM DaFranker
Some added clarification:

About the "rule #2" thing, there's ambiguity in the term binding here, which can refer to the binding of a demon to its... "master", so to speak... or to the "binding" (sealing) of a demon to an object. In general, a Binder that forms a bond with a demon that either he himself or someone he helped has summoned is good and actually necessary, since that's the only way he can then seal the demon inside an object. However, trying to seal/permanently anchor the demon to one's own body (which is inhabited by one's soul already) or in some sort of fusion to the very soul is really, really bad.

And about #6: If you lose your arm, find some sort of soulless physical replacement, and somehow find a shaper talented enough to bind a tiny or partial demon in that arm, then such a thing is theoretically possible... but you'd pretty much be fucked unless said demon had a serious human-love complex and was completely and totally infatuated with you beyond the point of no-return. That and you'd also need to bind the demon. And shit. And somehow coordinate so that you can both control the arm for things to have any effect. And a ton of other complications that aren't as obvious. And if even one of those conditions are not met... both you and the demon are fucked. Or maybe just you - the demon might simply end up eating your soul.
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Post #32 Dec 10 2009, 01:09 AM Feather
DEMON GOES NOM NOM
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Post #33 Dec 10 2009, 02:18 AM Fareoem
Haha, I have multiple ideas in mind for characters. I just might try for two characters (1 demon and 1 human) but beware my characters have some kind of tendency to be surprisingly normal, haha.
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Post #34 Dec 10 2009, 02:19 AM Feather
I will allow multiple characters, but Im not one hundred percent certain how demons are going to work out just yet. We'll get people situated with Massaru first, and then work our way up. ^.^

How does that sound?

And if you have any questions about characters, please ask. ^.^ It might help me set up things for the future!
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Post #35 Dec 10 2009, 02:52 AM Vanishedspartan
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1.) Basic abilities such as just cutting demons or other little things of that nature will be inherent to almost all demons, you could probably think of other weird things you could do with a demon imbued weapon such as releasing a short burst of energy around the blade of a sword or something (but I assume something like that would probably injure the demon in some manner because a demon uses its own body and soul for such things or cause your sword to go boom), realistically, things like that would be possible, but if you wanted to light your sword on fire or shoot lightning bolts or something (which idk if itd be possible, but little things of that nature might be) you'd have to have a demon that has that sort of capabilities. Most demon summonings are random, but if YOU in particular are looking for something to suite your needs or wants, its probable that it could be worked out.


In the case like this and the question about incredible reflexes is I figured if a demon could project their powers in other ways that maybe one with high agility-based skills would be able to project their powers to the weapon/object's controller. An example of which would be like in Bleach when the Zanpaktou lends its power to its wielder through Bankai. None of those crazy specials that they have in the anime, but something simple that enhances the user through power lent.
Is that remotely possible?
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Post #36 Dec 10 2009, 03:24 AM DaFranker
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In the case like this and the question about incredible reflexes is I figured if a demon could project their powers in other ways that maybe one with high agility-based skills would be able to project their powers to the weapon/object's controller. An example of which would be like in Bleach when the Zanpaktou lends its power to its wielder through Bankai. None of those crazy specials that they have in the anime, but something simple that enhances the user through power lent.
Is that remotely possible?
Yes, "projection" of "powers" is "remotely" possible. Basically, what is being "projected" is the manifestations that the demon creates through its soul energy. Much as a demon in a sword could expend soul energy (and thus itself, in a sense, and weakening itself in the process for sure) to manifest physical flames around the sword that can also burn demons, the same demon could manifest that power as something like momentum or matter density.

However, I'm not sure whether it would be able to actually affect the user's body, since that body is already inhabited (and more than likely manifested by, especially if they are within Irkallu or any non-material "place") by the user's own soul.

Simulacrum effects could be achieved, of course, but with reduced efficiency. And no, heightened reflexes or speeding up the user are not things that would be possible in the literal sense, though accelerating a blow could be done indirectly I guess. At a cost, of course.

For example, you could have, in theory, an extremely powerful demon sealed in a large solid diamond amulet projecting an actual "shield" of soul-matter around the user that would physically manifest to prevent harm and also act as a soul wall of sorts against demonic attacks or attacks made from soul manifestations (i.e. magic and spells). Obviously, everything that this shield would do, including its very presence, would drain just that much energy from the demon itself, making it need to regain that energy when not "in use". And that involves accumulating ambient energy (there's some in Irkallu, but practically none free-floating in the material world - and mages in both places usually channel theirs through paradigm shifting from a sort of "pool" where all the free soul energy sort of just "is" when not either agglomerated into the demons' world or taking a cohesive shape as a living being in the material world - this is too complicated to explain properly offhand in a parenthesis, even one this long) or eating souls.

Whew. That was long-winded. I'm sure there'll be ample opportunity later to explain at length that stuff about the soul "pool" and manifestations and all that. I hope this is enough for you to get the idea for now.
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Post #37 Dec 10 2009, 04:45 AM Vanishedspartan
I'm pretty sure I get it now. From what I am assuming, demon powers are generally active, not passive, as in they must be used to attain any value of power. In addition, using that power to aid in some way, such as providing a momentum boost or creating a shield drains the demon soul dwelling within the object, putting them out. In order to recover, they need free soul energy. Each demon has the potential to provide a unique power, but the power is only what it has, not what one hopes to make it into. That is, unless a specialist in the matter manipulates the demon for that purpose, which is highly based on chance and skill since it is very unlikely to work.

I think that's all the answers I needed to make a character without being against the rules... Still not sure what I'll make though. I have two in mind. One is a swordsman and the other a psychicer of the sorts. I am not sure how that would work out, but I am sure I could think of something.

Oh, in fact, I do have one final question. Instead of imbuing an artifact with a demon's soul, is it possible to make the demon itself into an object/weapon?

That is all and thank you for answering my questions. They were extremely helpful. :kamina:
Edited by Vanishedspartan, Dec 10 2009, 04:46 AM.
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Post #38 Dec 10 2009, 01:28 PM Feather
You basically have the right idea, and I don't know how a psychic person would work out in this, I doubt it would since almost all powers that are non-human come directly from demons in a manner of speaking, and demon weapons would not work out very well since the only people who would be able to make such a thing would be shapers, and even if they did, its still a demon, and its still gonna wanna eat your face off...

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Post #39 Dec 10 2009, 01:30 PM DaFranker
Haha, funny that you'd be asking that. And yes, some people simply use bound demons "as weapons" (i.e. they order them to go fight, plain and simple), and those are the summoner-types peoples. However, some rare cases go even further, like a particular character I came up with yesterday which just practically - but not quite - destroys the demons and takes whatever's left of the soul and turns it into a bunch of small blobs that manifest as wisp-like creatures only capable of doing two or three things all in all, which include: Move to location. Burn/tearapart/electrocute/freeze (through soul manifestation) whatever the fuck you touch. Sleep.

And no, a demon doesn't always have to consume itself or its own energy to be able to produce an effect, in fact most demons are better than even mages at shaping "raw" and "free-floating" soul energy, but they don't nearly have the mental focus required to fashion spell-like effects - though some demons do have the capability to, and some even have their own siptu - if you've ever looked at Mage: The Awakening, siptu are similar to rotespells in that they're trained and learned, but the siptu is merely the trained and practically "beaten into yourself" mental process that when you think about something, it has become a reflex for the rest of your mind to follow suit and think about something else and become focused on something, instantly and (more) easily creating an effect.

The part where it becomes touchy is that most demons use the already-present energy from the world they come from, which is, as I recall, quite saturated. Many are still capable of shifting energy from the "pool" I mentioned earlier, but not as well as you'd expect them to, making them even less talented than most human mages in that particular ability. When demons are sealed, their abilities are even more reduced. Thus, "active" effects that don't require sacrifice will either be very short and low power, or continuous but very weak (like, say, emitting light for example, or doing something that basically just slightly amplifies the function of whatever they're sealed in, such as making a sword's edge keener).

And again, striking with a sword sure is an "active" action, but to the demon it's mostly passive (though it does require the demon to be, err, "shifted on" for it to be able to hurt other demons, where the sealed demon uses some energy to "shift" itself and the sword in a manner that the sword can hurt, needing some channeling in the form described above), and will not "exhaust" or "drain" it, but rather will have on it an effect similar to you being smashed forcefully on other people - you get bruised and your body gradually gets large stress and gets damaged and agitated, so agitated that you can't really control your body properly and really do anything you want to. Similar stuff happens for sealed demons, though of course the way it actually works is quite different and we're talking about a sort of soul here rather than a body, but the comparison is suitable for this particular scenario.

And, to clarify something that I might have made unclear throughout this, demons that are "bound" to oneself would need external help or a good source of power to "unbind" themselves, and once bound then sealed into a weapon can rarely go against commands from their binder, seeing as it would be easy from then on to simply crush that demon into nonexistence, something that they would rather not have and that is usually made very clear to them upon being bound. I'm saying this from memory though and I'm a little fuzzy, so I'm not quite sure I got the specifics exactly, but basically demonsword does what demonswordsman wants. Lulz.

(I actually wrote this much earlier this morning, but zetaboards went down so I couldn't post it)
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Post #40 Dec 10 2009, 03:38 PM Feather
The information necessary for character creation should be available really soon.
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