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The Dark Knight Thread
Topic Started: Apr 29 2008, 06:06 PM (1,855 Views)
The Real Ben

1989 was better than Batman Begins, but The Dark Knight is incredible, and yes, Ledger's Joker was amazing and depicts The Joker how he was meant to be.
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Guys GREAT NEWS,

Read this.

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Titanic's Been Unsinkable...Until Dark Knight?
Wednesday July 30 6:51 PM ET


by Joal Ryan

Los Angeles (E! Online) - Ten years after sailing off with $600.8 million, Titanic remains the top-grossing movie of all-time, a title which, up until The Dark Knight onslaught, hasn't been seriously challenged.

Why?

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Statistically speaking, says Jeffrey Simonoff, borrowing a famous line from screenwriter William Goldman, "Nobody knows."

"Many people have noted if the stock market is a high-risk market, the movies is far riskier," says Simonoff, professor of statistics at New York University's Stern School of Business.

Huge opening weekends and great buzz certainly increase a movie's odds of making lots and lots of money, but beyond that, Simonoff argues, it's all guesswork.

"What Titanic had was the amazing word of mouth that just kept growing and growing," Simonoff says. "[But] it wasn't like after the second weekend people could say this is going to be the No. 1 movie for the next three months."

Actually, Titanic was the No. 1 movie at the weekend box office for about three-and-a-half months, or 15 weeks, the second-longest run in the top spot after E.T., which logged 16 weeks there in 1982.

To Vicki Kunkel, author of upcoming Instant Appeal: The 8 Primal Factors That Create Blockbuster Success, movies that play on and on and on, like Titanic, are the cinematic equivalent of potato chips—one viewing is not enough.

"Titanic pretty much had all the elements that light up the endorphins on the brain," says Kunkel. "Anything that makes us feel good is addictive."

If all blockbuster movies contain like elements, Kunkel points out, then Titanic had all the right elements, including a love story (see: Leonardo DiCaprio's Jack and Kate Winslet's Rose), a self-sacrificing heroine (see: Rose spurn her rich fiancé, Billy Zane's Cal, for poor Jack) and a clear-cut battle between good and bad (see: Jack take on Cal).

Kunkel finds a couple of these key elements, especially the conflict between good and evil, at play in The Dark Knight. She doesn't, however, foresee another bag of potato chips. Or, more precisely, a bigger bag of potato chips.

"We relate more to real people than we do to superheroes," Kunkel says. "And that's when the real addictiveness happens, when we have a deep primal connection."

Christopher Sharrett, professor of communications and film studies at Seton Hall University, thinks there could be a different kind of connection going on between the seriously dark Dark Knight and today's moviegoers.

"It's ripped out of the headlines," Sharrett says. "It's something that appeals to a cynicism of the population."

More than that, Sharrett thinks the untimely death of Heath Ledger, so prominent in The Dark Knight as iconic villain The Joker, is the film's X factor—the something different that, as he sees it, distinguishes the superhero-action movie from all the other recent superhero-action movies.

But does that add up to The Dark Knight moving from $400 million, its certain next stop, all the way to Titanic's $600 million neighborhood?

"For what it's worth," Simonoff says, "I would certainly say it wouldn't be surprising given the way things look like now."

Then again, he says, it wouldn't be surprising if it fell $100 million short.

Says Simonoff: "You can never know for sure."

Up until its release, after all, Titanic was considered a $200 million gamble. Until it paid off. And off. And off.


Go see dark knight again and this time bring some friends, because i swear to god, i want The Dark Knight to beat Titanic badly.
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The Real Ben

The only reason Titanic has that spot is because it was a HUGE chick flick that every middle school and high school girl saw in the theater at least 20 times.
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I need to see Dark Knight again, I want to see the IMAX version from the perfect perspective. I may do that this Wednesday.
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Aug 2 2008, 02:28 PM
I need to see Dark Knight again, I want to see the IMAX version from the perfect perspective. I may do that this Wednesday.


Perfect perspective? Did you get a shit seat or you mean you have yet to see it in IMAX? Either way if you can, see it in IMAX. Saw it last week and I'm still trying to gather my thoughts together about The Dark Knight so I can post 'em over the next couple of days. I'm seeing it again in the next two weeks, so that tells you how much I enjoyed it ;)
Edited by The Natural, Aug 3 2008, 10:36 AM.
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Well I finally got to see it yesterday... and while it was a superb film, I'm not sure it's as good as the hype. I'm itching to watch it again to see if it's better on the second viewing. Don't get me wrong, it's certainly the best film I've seen this year, and it tops Batman Begins, and shits all over the originals. But the reviews have really gone to town on this, and you'd expect Ledger to have to produced the greatest ever performance.

Ledger is superb. He totally immerses himself in the role, and you wouldn't know it was him behind the make-up. He's in a different league to Nicholson's Joker, and is like a force of nature throughout the film. There is such a note of danger and chaos whenever he is on screen... it really is masterful. But deserving of an oscar? It depends on how good the competition is, but I'm not convinced.

In fact, I'm going to go with the controversial view and say that this wasn't Ledger's film... when the hype has died down people might begin to see that the movie belongs to Aaron Eckhart. He more then stands up to Ledger's acting, and I think he is a major star in the making. His character-arc is just superb, and the character of Harvey Dent is just... I'm running out of superlatives.

I really want to see this again, to see whether my expectations were just too high. I'd manage to avoid all trailers, to attempt to go in with no expectations and just let the story take me. Obviously I couldn't avoid the buzz surrounding it though. Well worth watching and forming your own opinion though.

I'm salivating over the prospect of a third film though... time to bring in Catwoman? Talia Al Ghul? The Penguin? Calendar Man?
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The BBFC has justified giving The Dark Knight a 12A certificate after getting more than 80 complaints about the Batman film's disturbing content.

The film regulator's spokeswoman Sue Clark said the sequel was a fantasy movie with only implied violence.

But she admitted that the British Board of Film Classification had carefully considered giving it a 15 rating.

The 12A rating states that a film should not "dwell on violence" and "does not emphasise injury or blood".

The film contains a scene in which The Joker, played by the late Heath Ledger, is beaten repeatedly by Batman in a police cell.

The BBFC ruled that the blows were "masked from the camera" and there was "no sign of injury".

It conceded that there was a "good deal of violence" in the movie, but said it adhered to the rules of the 12A certificate.

But Keith Vaz MP, who chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee, said the 12A certificate was too low, adding that he was concerned by The Joker's use of a knife in the film.

He told The Independent newspaper: "The BBFC should realise there are scenes of gratuitous violence in The Dark Knight to which I certainly would not take my 11-year-old daughter. It should be a 15 certificate."

Ms Clark emphasised the fantasy nature of The Dark Knight and its basis in comic books.

"Batman can jump off buildings and fly and The Joker is not a realistic character and bounces back with a smile on his face."

She added that a 15 certificate would have denied an important part of the superhero's fan base the chance to see the film.

"Younger teenagers would not have been able to see it, and they are the very people who are going to love it.

"We would have ended up with far more complaints from people who wanted to see the film and couldn't," said Ms Clark.

She added that the number of complaints was low relative to the number of people who had seen the film.

Some 4.7 million tickets for The Dark Knight have been sold in the UK to date.

Meanwhile, The Dark Knight is on track to become the second-biggest movie of all time after topping the North American box office for a third week.

The film took $43.8m (£22.2m), taking its total US haul to $394.9m (£200m).

Warner Bros said it expected the Batman film to take at least another $100m (£51m), surpassing Star Wars - the number two movie of all time in the US.

The film took $461m (£234m). The current number one is 1997's Titanic, which took $601m (£305m).

Credit: www.bbc.co.uk


This rating debate reminds of Spider-Man back in 2002 as a result of which created the 12A certificate meaning those younger than 12 can see it with an adult rather than the previous 12 which meant 12 and above only.

To enlighten US posters, Keith Vaz is the UK version of Jack Thompson and our modern day Mary Whitehouse who jumps on any bandwagon. Keith Vaz is also a first class twat.
Edited by The Natural, Aug 4 2008, 01:45 PM.
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I sat in the first few rows the first time I saw it in IMAX, I'd like to get a better seat. I do have a free ticket laying around so I'll probably go Wednesday morning.
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Aug 4 2008, 08:36 AM
In fact, I'm going to go with the controversial view and say that this wasn't Ledger's film... when the hype has died down people might begin to see that the movie belongs to Aaron Eckhart. He more then stands up to Ledger's acting, and I think he is a major star in the making. His character-arc is just superb, and the character of Harvey Dent is just... I'm running out of superlatives.ough.
I have to agree, Ledger's role was amazing, but Aaron Eckhart stole the scene on more than a few occasions. Eckhart really should be a bigger, more prominent star than he is portrayed in Hollywood.
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Aug 4 2008, 01:43 PM
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The BBFC has justified giving The Dark Knight a 12A certificate after getting more than 80 complaints about the Batman film's disturbing content.

The film regulator's spokeswoman Sue Clark said the sequel was a fantasy movie with only implied violence.

But she admitted that the British Board of Film Classification had carefully considered giving it a 15 rating.

The 12A rating states that a film should not "dwell on violence" and "does not emphasise injury or blood".

The film contains a scene in which The Joker, played by the late Heath Ledger, is beaten repeatedly by Batman in a police cell.

The BBFC ruled that the blows were "masked from the camera" and there was "no sign of injury".

It conceded that there was a "good deal of violence" in the movie, but said it adhered to the rules of the 12A certificate.

But Keith Vaz MP, who chairs the Home Affairs Select Committee, said the 12A certificate was too low, adding that he was concerned by The Joker's use of a knife in the film.

He told The Independent newspaper: "The BBFC should realise there are scenes of gratuitous violence in The Dark Knight to which I certainly would not take my 11-year-old daughter. It should be a 15 certificate."

Ms Clark emphasised the fantasy nature of The Dark Knight and its basis in comic books.

"Batman can jump off buildings and fly and The Joker is not a realistic character and bounces back with a smile on his face."

She added that a 15 certificate would have denied an important part of the superhero's fan base the chance to see the film.

"Younger teenagers would not have been able to see it, and they are the very people who are going to love it.

"We would have ended up with far more complaints from people who wanted to see the film and couldn't," said Ms Clark.

She added that the number of complaints was low relative to the number of people who had seen the film.

Some 4.7 million tickets for The Dark Knight have been sold in the UK to date.

Meanwhile, The Dark Knight is on track to become the second-biggest movie of all time after topping the North American box office for a third week.

The film took $43.8m (£22.2m), taking its total US haul to $394.9m (£200m).

Warner Bros said it expected the Batman film to take at least another $100m (£51m), surpassing Star Wars - the number two movie of all time in the US.

The film took $461m (£234m). The current number one is 1997's Titanic, which took $601m (£305m).

Credit: www.bbc.co.uk


This rating debate reminds of Spider-Man back in 2002 as a result of which created the 12A certificate meaning those younger than 12 can see it with an adult rather than the previous 12 which meant 12 and above only.

To enlighten US posters, Keith Vaz is the UK version of Jack Thompson and our modern day Mary Whitehouse who jumps on any bandwagon. Keith Vaz is also a first class twat.
The screening I went to happened to have a handful of kids in attendance ranging from 2-8 and after watching it I thought, honestly, fair play to parents taking their kids to a comic book movie which, lets face it, is still to a lot of people still considered a "family" genre but this particular movie turned out to be a lot darker(Not just in general dark tones and themes but in what was shown) than I personally expected and I wouldn't want my (hypothetical) kids to see it. However, that being said, the kids didn't look too scared leaving the theatre and the younger ones seemed to care less an example being, when Batman crashes his bat-pod, a little girl laughed saying "Batman dead!"...

It all falls into opinion and I am of the opinion that the movie could have been(and maybe should've been) a straight 12...if only to keep annoying little ids shouting things when I'm gettin' ma Batman on!
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