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| What are Jesus's true teachings? | |
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| Aaron Maldonado | Sep 6 2009, 04:08 PM Post #1 |
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I do believe that Jesus taught of love and charity, but limited how much was written. When will the Day of God occur that we can see Christianity in its truth and unity between all religion? What are some of the true teachings of Jesus.
Edited by Aaron Maldonado, Sep 11 2009, 03:04 PM.
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| Graham | Sep 6 2009, 05:00 PM Post #2 |
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Honestly I dont belive Jesus even existed due to a lack of any evidence of existence. The main source for jesus outside the bible is Josephus but scholars agree he is not relibable and his writings on 'jesus' have been dismissed. The main events of Jesus's life such as the virgin birth, the crucifixion, the ressurection as far as I am concerned are all myths that represent certain morals and such. I believe Jesus may have been an amalgamation of various religious preachers at the time. Many stories of Jesus' life are just retellings of stories of earlier Gods( see Mithra and Krishna). The main problem I have with the bible is that it IS a work of fiction, theres no debate there and I have no problem with people using some of its good lessons in life but I cannot understand how people NEED a book to tell them how to be good people. I believe if you only do good things because your afraid of hell then your a sorry excuse for a human. People should do good things because they want to, not because a 2000 year old book says so. Parents need to teach their child right and wrong themselves and not rely on the bible as it is completely outdated. God and the bible do not create good people, social dependance, altruism and genuinly helping your fellow person creates good people. Look at dolphins, apes, monkeys, dogs, ants, bees, in fact any animal that lives in groups and you will see that they dont discriminate based on skin colour or beliefs or sexual peferences. They work together to help each other survive. Yet they dont have a bible or a god. Surely if insects can all get along without a god and bible, then humans can aswell? |
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| Gknight | Sep 7 2009, 05:54 AM Post #3 |
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I'm not going to get into a debate on this one. You've shown your true colors here. If you really think you can dismiss the most printed, translated, sold, and venerated book in history in the Bible. Then go and call false the most influential, world changing, life changing person, the God/Man Jesus Christ. At least get a little deeper when you try to debunk Christianity. 16"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them." Romans 1:16-32 Jesus calls you and all men and women everywhere to repent and believe the Gospel. While you live you have time. Don't neglect so great a salvation. Take care. |
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| Aaron Maldonado | Sep 7 2009, 01:35 PM Post #4 |
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I am not sure. I was just wondering. I heard this from someone. I am trying to consider what could be possible.
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| Graham | Sep 7 2009, 02:28 PM Post #5 |
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Gknight, the number of copies sold and languages a book is translated into doesnt make a book true. Mein Kampf has sold numerous copies and has been translated into many languages. Do you believe its messages are true? Didnt think so. As for my true colours, I have never hidden my beliefs I have made no secret of my opinions so my true colours have always been shown. As for influential people, the most influential people in history have all had one thing in common, they preyed on the minds of the weak. Look at Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao Zedong, saddam hussein and all other tyrants. Even cult leaders influence people. Being influential doesnt validate you as being true. Many people followed David Koresh and Jim Jones, both very influential people and you see what that resulted in - Waco and the Jones town mass suicide. No, being influential has nothing to do with truth. Aaron Maldonado, I would say that there are certainly good points in the bible no question. Be very careful though especially of people who quote random verses from the bible to validate their points. Here are just a few quotes from the bible I think show just how dangerous a book the bible can be as a means to live your life: Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT) If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB) Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB) A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB) If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT) I would say be very careful as I could use those quotes to justify murder by saying the bible is the word of God. You should try do what you feel a good person should do, not what a books says. You know that killing and robbing and rape and all other crimes cause misery so you know not to do them. Is a 2000 year old book required for you to know that? |
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| themadhair | Sep 8 2009, 01:38 AM Post #6 |
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This is something that I find absolutely fascinating about you folks. As is clear from your Youtube videos you haven’t got a clue about the physical world. You believe a global flood happened when a one hour introduction to geology can show it false. You believe in a 6,000 year old earth when there are plants alive today that are older than that. Here is the fascinating part. After you have demonstrated, in the clearest most categorical terms possible, that you completely fail at understanding the physical world you still, somehow, reackon we should trust you regarding the metaphysical one? |
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| Leo | Sep 11 2009, 06:14 PM Post #7 |
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Whether Jesus was actually a person is still debatable, but I can accept that there may have been a philosopher called Yeshua (Yahshua). My main reason for doubting the Biblical events of Jesus' life is simply due to the similarities between Jesus and previous pagan deities, I'm afraid the corruption of the Roman Empire in their manipulation of the Bible has caused me to doubt the integrity of the scriptures. I also feel that the second hand writings of Jesus' life open the gateway to further misrepresentation and alteration, especially when we consider that they were all written after his death. However, having said all this I believe the following of Jesus is a step forward from the Old Testament, even if it did coincide with the revelation of a place called Hell. Many of the teachings, in the name of Jesus, do hold high moral ground; my favourite is his teaching that we should not judge. Many Christians will simply say this is the act of not judging those around you, but I feel it is more than that. I believe Jesus was also teaching us to not judge ourselves, to accept who we truly are, to conform to our Will. Now this does not mean that we should neglect responsibility, or consideration, of our actions and the consequences of said actions, I simply mean we should forgive our intentions in light of who we are. It is said that God is all, therefore God must reside within us. In Islam they say that the heart is the temple of Allah, thus to break somebody's heart is to break the temple of Allah, a sin which is only forgiven by those who had their heart broken. But if we accept that we are all the oneness of God and that God is perfect, it can only be true that we are perfect in the creation of God. Thus we should not judge because we have a misconception of what perfection is, our idea of perfection is built upon our beliefs and interpretations which we have obtained throughout our lives. Everybody's interpretation of this reality is different, thus everybody's interpretation of perfection is different, only he who is all knowing, who does not rely on conscious thought, understands the meaning of perfection. We must accept that we are all perfect in order to work in harmony with our true self, in doing this we begin to experience life in all its glory, we are able to follow our true path to that which we Will. |
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| Jon M | Sep 12 2009, 07:11 PM Post #8 |
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Jesus Himself told us what the whole point to all His teachings was, what the most important commandment was: to love God and each other. In his 1st epistle, John writes that anybody who has love, has God. So my bedrock belief is that there are lots and lots of people in the world who love God, even if they don't call it "loving God," including atheists, pagans, agnostics, etc. |
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| Aaron | Sep 12 2009, 11:02 PM Post #9 |
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Here! you! i think your twisting some words to your own benefit there a little, Atheists love god? even if they don't know it?? the definition of an atheist kind of negates that whole concept but sorry to rain on your parade. Love is nothing more than a chemical combination {as is..............everything else emotional} for example infatuation is the following "pheromones, dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin, which act in a manner similar to amphetamines, stimulating the brain's pleasure center and leading to side effects such as increased heart rate, loss of appetite and sleep, and an intense feeling of excitement. " Now we all know what these bad boys do separately and we can argue back and forth that love is more blah blah but when it comes down to it, thats all love is, a chemical response to psychosomatic conditions. I would argue as its all in your mind, if you don't believe in God ain't no way no how you will love him................unless of course something happens psychologically to make these chemicals fire off let right and center! Is your solid bedrock belief seriously what John wrote? What if you don't have love? you don't have God? and seeing how you got me on the chemical trail, what if you have a condition which disallows you loving? |
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| Leo | Sep 13 2009, 02:07 AM Post #10 |
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"Jesus Himself told us what the whole point to all His teachings was, what the most important commandment was: to love God and each other." Actually the Bible is there to be interpreted by all, no doubt you are one of those who will listen to a Reverend, or Pastor, dictate the meanings of Jesus' teachings. You also say that we should love God and each other. If we all love each other then the meaning of love is devalued, it would just become as valuable as saying "hello" to a random stranger. We must respect each other, show tolerance to each other, but we are certainly not obliged to love each other. Love is reserved for those of higher meaning, it is not wrong to show preference to those who you truly love, it is basic human nature, even religion cannot take away our instinctive desires. |
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| IronMan of Rome | Sep 20 2009, 07:29 AM Post #11 |
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They aren't genuinely Jesus' teachings. Given it's history, and the history of this species, there will never be 'unity' or 'truth' for Christianity. Edited by IronMan of Rome, Sep 20 2009, 07:32 AM.
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