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Topic Started: 21 Aug 2008, 10:50 PM (2,701 Views)
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I'm interested in the Black Breath idea. Anyone who has experienced it before could be immune. But how would that work? Only the Nazgul can do that, and they were all destroyed. Or maybe I misunderstood where you're going with this?

An attack could certainly happen in the Shire. I could bring Milo home so we have two Hobbits to role-play this out. That would be a good way to bring Pippin into the plot. Anyone else likely to be in Eriador could join in as well.

At the moment, Faramir has said that a band of Uruk-hai are heading to Arnor. They could pass through the Shire. How else can we tie this to the MP? Maybe they're carrying some object intended for the Hand of Sauron to the north? Or ... something else? Any ideas?
 
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For the biological warfare, would this be intentionally brought about by HoS or other agents of evil? Or is it just a coincidence, a bad side-effect of increased contact with the Southern peoples? This would be kind of similar to what happened to the Native peoples when the Europeans came to the Americas, I'd imagine. So perhaps HoS would like to capitalize on the this if it is accidental, i.e. exaserbating the illness or helping to spread it more quickly throughout the northern populations. This could be something simple like the ME version of Spanish Influenza or Yellow Fever. Perhaps, the Servants and other southrons are immune, simply because having grown up in the area where the Plague originated, their immune systems have a certain resistance to it.
 
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I thought it would be intentional. I was definitely thinking along the lines of a pathogen brought into the West with the purpose of spreading a disease. I was also thinking along the same lines for sickness. My first thought was a form of malaria, cholera, or tularemia. I do like the Black Breath idea. We can make up our own illness if anyone has some ideas for its origins and effects.

Servants of the Hand of Sauron could also be immune because they were given the antidote, which means whatever disease we go with has to be a bacteria and not a virus.

 
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Ohhhhh, maybe we could go the West Nile route and introduce it via an insect, like a mosquito or something, or even the Bubonic plague route with rats and fleas. I'm not sure how to incorporate the Black Breath into it though, unless we can write up some symptoms that partially mimic some of its effects?
 
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I didn't even think when I put down about the black breath. Of course only the Nazgul could do that ~duh! slaps forehead~. . I was reading through, and what if we did something along the lines of what Julie is talking about with the insects. . What if it's something that starts in Rohan. Maybe an insect that transfers it from the horses to the people? Or maybe that's just silly. . . I honestly don't know how we could have the black breath if the nazgul are gone. .
 
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I remember reading something in The Two Towers, I think it was. In Mordor, even the flies have the Eye of Sauron branded into their backs. The insects and rodents in Mordor could be infested with a by-product of Sauron's magic. How about this being the place the sickness originates from?

We need a rapidly spreading disease, but also some clear cause. How about we use Mordor rats? They're transported by servants of the Hand of Sauron and released in Minas Tirith. It takes under a week for symptoms to show, but that's enough time for someone to travel to Emyn Arnen, Eryn Silivren, Edoras, or anywhere else in the West.

How about this for the symptoms?

- Contact: Blood-born pathogen
- Day 3 or 4: Extreme fatigue
- Day 6 or 7: Dangerous fever, delirium
- Day 14 or 15: Unconsciousness
- Day 20 or 21: Death

How does that look? This is based off a microbiology class I took two years ago. It's fuzzy at best. Any ideas for a name?
 
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Oh! That sounds like a good idea. . And I think that you're right about reading that because once I read over it, it seemed familiar. . It would be to easy to call it 'Black Death' or "Black Plague. ' . . . .
 
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I'll get some kind of announcement written up if we're in agreement on the illness, origins, and symptoms. I think we are.

As for name, Black Death sounds like a good starting point. I don't want to use in English because the symptoms aren't the same, and I think it has the wrong connotation. So, a Sindarin name then?

Black = Morn (sing.) / Myrn (pl.)
Death = gûr (n.), gurth (n.), guruth (n.)
Dead = fern (n.), firn (n. pl.), fern (adj.), gwann (adj.)
The Dead = gyrth (n.)
Deadly = delu (adj.)
The Act of Dying = gwanath (n.), gwanu (n.)
Sick = caeleb (adj.), lhaew (adj.)
Sickness = cael (n.), lhîw (n.), paw (n.)
Breath = hwest (n.), thûl (n.)

Can anyone construct a good name from these stems? My suggestions are as grammatically correct as I can make them. Critique welcomed.

Thûlgûr Morn = lit. Breath Death of Black (Black Breath of Death)
Thûl-in-Gyrth = Breath of the Dead
Thûl-en-Morn = lit. Breath of the Black (Black Breath)
Morn Thûl = Black Breath
Gwanath Thûl = lit. The Act of Dying Breath (Dying Breath)


I like Thûl-in-Gyrth or Thûl-en-Morn best. They have good names in English and sound/look good in Sindarin too. They also have the connection with Ringwraiths that inspired the symptoms we've created.

I'm open to other suggestions.
 
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Great ideas! I prefer Thûl-in-Gyrth as the name of the epidemic. The others sound a bit too similar to the Nazgûls' illness and it isn't exactly the same as theirs.

My only question is that for the "Unconsciousness" stage, does that mean that the victim is falling in and out of consciousness, or do they fall into a type of coma and die in their sleep? Or maybe I'm just looking too far into it. XD
 
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I think I'm a fan of the Thul-in-Gyrth name too. .
 
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