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|Conversation with Robert Schopmeyer - Prior Knowledge of 9/11: Who knew what when?|
|Topic Started: Jun 26 2012, 06:36 PM (1,110 Views)|
|shure||Jun 26 2012, 06:36 PM Post #1|
Conversation with Robert Schopmeyer - Prior Knowledge of 9/11: Who knew what when?
Robert Schopmeyer breaks down the deliberate withholding of information concerning the 9/11 hijackers by the CIA and FBI headquarters from field agents that could have stopped the terrible events of September 11, 2001. Schopmeyer's book "Prior Knowledge of 9/11" details how a businessman had become aware of the upcoming events of 9/11 in February 2001, while on a business trip to New York.
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|broken sticks||Jun 29 2012, 11:41 AM Post #2|
jeff this is mindblowing.
i've listened to it about 5 times and i'm still picking up new info each time lol
|shure||Jun 29 2012, 08:11 PM Post #3|
Yes. Robert presents the information very well.
|A Storm is Coming||Jun 30 2012, 10:44 AM Post #4|
Favorite Quote @ 1:48:38 by Jeff >
I just know that if I were the Commander in Chief......I don't know what I would say
At least you know what it is you don't know...
Most people never get that far
Edited by A Storm is Coming, Jun 30 2012, 10:44 AM.
|shure||Jun 30 2012, 12:53 PM Post #5|
|broken sticks||Jul 1 2012, 10:56 AM Post #6|
So does this sound right:
The CIA were criminally negligent in allowing the Cole bombing to happen through their inaction, so they protected Khalid al Mihdhar and Nawaf Al Hazmi from everyone. Even when it became clear this would allow 911 to happen, they did it anyway to try to cover their previous crimes, committing many more crimes in the process.
Wilshere, through to Blee, through to Black, and almost certainly through to Tenet knew this, they appear to have told Ashcroft and Rumsfeld before it happened, so presumably Bush was in the loop on this as well, right?
|broken sticks||Jul 2 2012, 06:22 AM Post #7|
is this where it began? because it seems to be stretching things a bit. robert schopmeyer writes:
but the CIA themselves were culpable in allowing that bombing to take place for having photographed the terrorists at that meeting, and then allowing them to leave this meeting, with no effort to identify what they had been up to or where they went after this meeting
Now does that really make them culpable? sure, they didn't act on the kuala lumpur meeting, but if they didn't know the Cole bombing was going to take place they may have been embarrassed by this and maybe felt partially responsible, but culpable? unless they knew exactly what had been planned at that meeting then i still don't get this part. were they really that negligent that they had to allow a much much worse terrorist attack to take place?
|jimd3100||Jul 2 2012, 12:20 PM Post #8|
This is not a knock on schopmeyer - in fact he is the first AFAIK to put together some real important pieces of a puzzle. But this is where I sort of part ways. He is correct when he says the CIA was criminal in their conduct but seems to be saying it was to cover their own ass as far as the USS Cole. I'm not sold on that. That seems to me to be departing from facts and entering theory as far as the reasons for CIA conduct, at least from my eyes anyway,maybe there is more info? But He AFAIK never mentions Saudi Arabia which I think only helps his presentation as the CIA were sharing info with them and they are still being protected. They have an intelligence agency as well. And are even more involved. Much more. By the CIA actions the Saudi's were able to "help out" these hijackers. Question is- was that the the reason?
Edited by jimd3100, Jul 2 2012, 01:22 PM.
|paloalto||Jul 2 2012, 02:03 PM Post #9|
The cable sent to the CIA and to FBI Director Louis Freeh, in December 1999 by the NSA indicated that the phone number the NSA had been monitoring in Yemen, to learn about the Kuala Lumpur meeting was considered to be the communications center for the al Qaeda terrorists as they set up and planned the east African bombings.
Hence all of the people at this meeting were thought to be al Qaeda terrorists who were connected to the east African bombings. There was already an open on going FBI criminal investigation of the east African bombings by the FBI. Since 12 Americans had been killed in this attack the FBI had jurisdiction over all American investigations for this attack. Since the CIA did not give the information on this meeting and the identification of the al Qaeda terrorists who attended this meeting to the FBI criminal investigators on the east African bombings, this was criminal withholding of material information from an ongoing FBI criminal investigation, a crime. They did give some of this information to Louis Freeh, but Freeh did not pass this information on to either the FBI east African investigators or later to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, yet additional crimes by the Director of the FBI himself.
The CIA monitored this meeting and identified many of the al Qaeda terrorists at this meeting and even knew that they were at this meeting to plan future terrorists attacks against American interests. They also knew that the hijacking of Air India 814 by the Kashmiri extremists, a group very closely aligned with al Qaeda, had just taken place and had ended just the week before this meeting even took place. The CIA even knew that Air India 814 had finally landed at the Kandahar airport where Mohammed Atef, military commander for the al Qaeda terrorists, had his office. They could have reasonably surmised that since almost every one at that meeting basically reported to Atef, that any discussion at this meeting on terrorist attacks would have focused on this hijacking as part of any future terrorists attacks.
It was after Walid bin Attash had been indentified at the Kuala Lumpur meeting, on January 4, 2001, with Mihdhar and Hazmi, planning the Cole bombing, that the CIA realized that they had been criminally culpable in allowing the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attack on the USS Cole for not having provided this information to the FBI criminal investigators on the east Africa bombings. At the time of the Kuala Lumpur meeting, the CIA knew that Mihdhar had a US multi-entry visa, obviously to enter the US to carry out some terrorist attack inside of the US, and then deliberately keep this information secret from the FBI.
They also then allowed both al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi to enter the US and kept this information completely secret from the FBI, and even deliberately did not put these terrorists on any US watch list in spite of the fact that the CIA had put them on watch lists in Thailand. The CIA basically allowed these al Qaeda terrorists to secretly slip into the US, and then kept this information secret from the FBI. (NOTE while the cable that describes Hazmi entering the US has been made public, the CIA IG executive summary implies that the CIA also knew that Mihdhar and had entered the US at the same time, with Hazmi.) The fact that the CIA had secretly allowed both Mihdhar and Hazmi to enter the US may have been additional motivation for the CIA to hide the Kuala Lumpur meeting and the fact that both Mihdhar and Hazmi had been at that meeting with Walid bin Attash planning the Cole bombing.
Edited by paloalto, Jul 2 2012, 03:05 PM.
|jimd3100||Jul 2 2012, 02:29 PM Post #10|
You make a good case that the CIA was with holding info from the FBI from before the USS Cole. The Malaysia meeting was obviously very important so you would not want just pictures, but recordings of what was said, if possible. It was possible. The story is.....the Malaysian Intelligence was supposed to bug the meeting but it didn't work. I have trouble believing that. In any case without going into detail there is reason for me to believe the "planes operation" was discussed at this meeting. Attish was going to be a hijacker at first, but couldn't get a visa. Here lies an issue- the FBI likes to arrest people. The CIA gathers intelligence. When the FBI arrests people that line of Intelligence dries up. I'm still not sold that THE reason for keeping info from the FBI was because they (CIA) were already guilty of keeping info from them. It could be A reason though.
The information you provide is indeed interesting.
|paloalto||Jul 2 2012, 04:13 PM Post #11|
Jim, I have not mentioned the Saudi connection, not because they may not be anything there but out of sheer lack of time to explore every connection that had allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out the attacks on 9/11.
It is however clear that the CIA and FBI HQ knew that there was going to be a horrific al Qaeda attack just about to take place inside of the US in the summer of 2001, knew that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001 in order to take part in this attack and then deliberately shut down all investigations of al Qaeda terrorists, including FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi when they knew that this would allow these al Qaeda terrorists to carry out these attacks. This was done by people in the United States government.
Then this huge criminal conspiracy was covered up by the Joint Inquiry Committee of the House and Senate, and the 9/11 Commission. Even the DOJ IG report had been deliberately obfuscated so it made it hard to see the entire picture of what had taken place that had allowed the 9/11 attacks to take place. It was only after years of work, trying to reconcile every detail in the DOJ IG report, which in the end was the most complete account, with the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan in the July 10-17 2006 issue of the New Yorker by Lawrence Wright, and with additional detail added from the 9/11 Commission report, the Joint Inquiry Committee report, and then combining this with the Moussaoui trial Defense Exhibits, the book State of Denial by Bob Woodward, and the account of Richard Blee in the January 2007 Harpers magazine that was it possible to finally put this story back together in one place again. I used information from each of these documents in an attempt to build a consistence narrative, and as accurately as it was possible of this account.
When different points in these accounts differed, which they frequently did, I had to find the account was most consistence with the other accounts or that was most accurate. One example of this is the account of the meeting between Sherry Sabol and FBI Agent Dina Corsi and what Sherry Sabol said to FBI Agent Dina Corsi over whether Bongardt could take part in an investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. The DOJ IG report says that no one can actually remember what was said at the meeting between Corsi and Sabol. But the 9/11 Commission report said that Sabol told Corsi that since the NSA cable in her EC had no connection to any FISA warrant, Bongardt could take part in any investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi. The 9/11 Commission report even stated that this information came from a November 7, 2002 interview with DOJ IG investigators and FBI Agent Dina Corsi. Hence it was clear that not only did the 9/11 Commission report state what appears to be the most accurate recollection of this one area, but the one that actually even made the most sense. It was clearly disappointing to see that the DOJ IG report had been deliberately obfuscated, since DOJ IG interviews were all electronically transcribed and available to be reviewed even long after the interview on this point, but this obfuscation had also taken place in several other areas in this report. It was however possible to see quickly where this obfuscation had taken place. In this case the DOJ Inspector General must have thought that even though the 9/11 Commission report had come out in July of 2004, that no one would go back and compare their report against the 9/11 Commission report and see that the DOJ IG had deliberately and criminally obfuscated his own report.
This information is so horrific and disturbing that it was hard to look at other more nebulous areas like the Saudis who may have helped finance or support the terrorists who took part in the attacks on 9/11, when they were inside of the US, particularly when it was possible to find the actual names of most of the people who took part in this massive criminal conspiracy, and not only uncover their criminal actions but uncover what they knew and when they knew this information. It is also clear that criminal actions had taken place at the Joint Inquiry Committee investigation, the 9/11 Commission investigation and even at the DOJ IG investigation that had deliberately covered over these crimes.
It is almost beyond all belief that there was finally enough publically available information that with enough time and effort it was possible to put this entire account back together again, so the American people could at last see why the attacks on 9/11 were allowed to take place.
Edited by paloalto, Jul 2 2012, 08:21 PM.
|jimd3100||Jul 2 2012, 05:11 PM Post #12|
I agree with your analysis. In fact, the Saudi role seems to dovetail with what you are saying to expose just how disgusting this cover up is. Remember Lawrence Wright exposed how the CIA DID share info with the Saudis. If you wanted the terrorists to succeed, you would not want CIA agents enrolling them in flight schools and getting IDs for them, assisting them inside the USA, etc. The Bush Administration KNEW Saudi involvement AT THE SAME TIME they were convincing Americans Iraq was involved. And made it illegal for Bob Graham and the joint inquiry to expose it. Which is why I think there is more going on than just CYA over the USS Cole. It's treason on an incredibly corrupt and disgusting scale.
Edited by jimd3100, Jul 2 2012, 05:22 PM.
|broken sticks||Jul 3 2012, 10:38 AM Post #13|
Dovetail sounds like the right word. Saudi involvement, as an unknown, could be as large a piece of the big picture as anything. I don't want to sound like i'm saying the Saudi connection is a sidetrack here - some saudi connections of our own would be useful. Imagine a truth forum in saudi arabia!
But given the CIA's criminal culpability in the Cole bombing, what were the motives for the obfuscation of information between the Kuala Lumpur meeting and the Cole bombing dates. In other words, why keep the meeting secret before they were culpable for the Cole bombing?
I've been listening (again, many times over) to a recording of a talk Robert gave. Someone in the audience seems to have asked the same question, and the answer seems to be a guy called Ali Mohammed who was involved in the East African embassy bombings. Forgive my ignorance: was he a CIA plant in al qaeda, or was he an al qaeda terrorist who turned informer? Either way, the answer to the initial question seems to be the CIA owned this guy and didn't want his name to turn up in the investigations of the East African embassy bombings. I'll have to read up on this guy, although his name is familiar.
Edited by broken sticks, Jul 3 2012, 10:51 AM.
|jimd3100||Jul 3 2012, 11:16 AM Post #14|
Actually it was once again the CIA and White house that was doing the cover up. The joint Inquiry was censored. Those 28 pages cover both the Saudi role and the CIA-FBI.
Listen carefully to what Bob Graham says at the 1 minute mark. What do you think he is referring to? He is being "polite" of course but has been less and less polite over the years.....
Edited by jimd3100, Jul 3 2012, 11:17 AM.
|paloalto||Jul 3 2012, 11:20 AM Post #15|
Here are two accounts of Ali Mohamed, both with some what different information, but both may be right. These go to show that he had what can only be described as a resume that almost could not be believed:
Osama bin Laden's Special Operations Man
by Steven Emerson
Journal of Counterterrorism and Security International
September 1, 1998
On November 8, 1990, FBI agents raided the New Jersey home of El Sayyid Nosair, the Egyptian born Islamic militant, following his arrest in the shooting of Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City. Among the many items found in Nosair's possession were sensitive military documents from Fort Bragg, North Carolina. The documents, some of which were classified Secret, contained the locations of U.S. military Special Operations Forces exercises and units in the Middle East, military training schedules, U.S. intelligence estimates of Soviet forces in Afghanistan, a topographical map of Fort Bragg, U.S. Central Command data and intelligence estimates of Soviet force projection in Afghanistan. Appended throughout the documents were Arabic markings and notations believed to be that of Ali Mohammed. Some documents were marked "Top Secret for Training otherwise unclassified". Other documents were marked "sensitive."
[An FBI prepared inventory contains the entire listing of materials seized from Nosair's residence. Beyond the U.S. military documents, the raid on Nosair's residence produced a veritable treasure trove of terrorist documents, publications and materials. Included were actual plans for destroying skyscrapers in New York.]
The military documents had been given to Nosair by Ali Mohammed, an Egyptian born Islamic fundamentalist who had come to live in the United Statesin 1985. He had been in the United States earlier that decade, having graduated as a captain from a Special Forces Officers School at Fort Bragg in 1981 in a program for visiting military officials from foreign countries. He joined the U.S. military in 1986 and received a security clearance for level "secret." He was assigned as a sergeant with the U.S. Army Special Operations at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. He also served unofficially as an assistant instructor at the JFK Special Operations Warfare School at Fort Bragg where he participated in teaching a class on the Middle East and Islamic fundamentalist perceptions of the United States.
Ali Mohammed became active in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and soon connected with Islamic militants in New Jersey who had been training and supporting the jihad. Mohammed was introduced to El Sayyid Nosair by Khaled Ibrahim, an Egyptian born Islamic fundamentalist in New Jersey. Ibrahaim had become active in the Office of Services of the Mujihadeen, known Al Kifah, the group that recruited volunteers and funds for the jihad in Afghanistan. Al Kifah, headquartered in Peshawar, Pakistan, maintained scores of offices worldwide, including three dozen in the United States, with Al Kifah's primary American offices located in Brooklyn, Jersey City and Tucson, Arizona. As noted by federal prosecutors earlier this month, the Office of Services was transformed into the terrorist organization of Osama Bin Laden, known as Al Qaeda.
According to transcripts of the World Trade Center bombing trials, Ali Mohammed began giving training sessions in New Jersey in guerilla warfare in 1989 to Islamic militants that included among others, El Sayyid Nosair, Mahmud Abuhalima (later convicted in the World Trade Center bombing conspiracy) and Khalid Ibrahim. Other training sessions took place in Connecticut where Islamic militants trained on weekends. A FBI report, based on Connecticut State Police intelligence, summarized the activities of the training sessions using semi-automatic weapons.
According to military records, Ali Mohammed left the military in November 1989 and moved to Santa Clara. Law enforcement officials say he traveled to Afghanistan and Pakistan where he befriended Osama Bin Laden and other top militants in the Islamic fundamentalist movements who had sought sanctuary in Peshawar.
Mohammed maintained a very close and active relationship with the Office of Services in Brooklyn (funded by Osama Bin Laden) and in particular its head Mustafa Shalabi. Telephone toll records reveal that Shalabi and Mohammed maintained regular contact while Mohammed was still at Fort Bragg and later when Mohammed moved to Santa Clara, California. On February 26, 1991, Shalabi was found murdered in his home in Brooklyn, the victim of an internal feud with Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman's followers over how the funds of the Office of Services were to be spent. Ali Mohammed came to Brooklyn after the murder and was entrusted with moving Shalabi's family back to the Middle East and with safekeeping Shalabi's documents that have never surfaced since Shalabi's death.
From his base in Santa Clara, Mohammed soon emerged as a top aide to Osama Bin Laden. Federal officials say that Mohammed traveled regularly to and from Pakistan and Afghanistan, having helped oversee Bin Laden's terrorist bases in Khost and other terrorist camps in Afghanistan. In 1991, Mohammed was the person in charge of Bin Laden's move from Afghanistan to the Sudan. The move was considered perilous since Bin Laden had made so many enemies. Mohammed helped Bin Laden set up his new home and terrorist base in Khartoum, Sudan where 2000 "Arab Afghans" the name given to the Arab veterans of the Afghanistan jihad – were headquartered in Bin Laden terrorist camps. Mohammed continued to travel between the terrorist camps in Afghanistan, Bin Laden's base in the Sudan and the United States. Mohammed continued to train new Islamic recruits in the expanded holy war, or jihad, against the United States, Israel, the Philippines, Bosnia, Egypt and Algeria.
Law enforcement records show that Mohammed's extended stays outside the United States would range from weeks to half a year. But he would always return to the United States, which provided him a safe base from which to travel around the world on behalf of Bin Laden. In California, Mohammed became involved in smuggling illegal aliens into the United States, including suspected terrorists. Law enforcement sources say that a favorite route for Mohammed was to smuggle illegal aliens through Vancouver, Canada.
In a seemingly bizarre twist, while in California, Mohammed volunteered to provide information to the FBI on a smuggling operations involving Mexicans and other aliens not connected to terrorist groups. Within time, officials say, the relationship allowed Mohammed to divert the FBI's attention away from looking at his real role in terrorism into examining the information he gave them about other smuggling. This gave Mohammed a de facto shield in effectively insulating himself from FBI scrutiny for his ties to Bin Laden. And the relationship helped protect Mohammed from being scrutinized by other federal agencies. Mohammed has succeeded in creating an ingenious scheme all the while he worked for Osama Bin Laden. Mohammed had also tried to cultivate a relationship with the CIA, which did not succeed, although he had far better success in playing off the FBI against the CIA in his dealings with both agencies. Like a John Le Carre thriller, Mohammed played the role of a triple agent and nearly got away with it.
Federal law enforcement officials say that Mohammed's role and association with the Islamic militants surfaced in connection with the World Trade Center bombing trials in 1994 and 1995. He was named on a list of some 118 potential unindicted co-conspirators in the World Trade Center bombing conspiracy released by federal prosecutors.
In 1996, according to intelligence reports, Mohammed helped move Bin Laden back from the Sudan, which wanted to maintain an official arms' length relationship (yet keeping its close connections secret), to Afghanistan. Mohammed continued working for Bin Laden in 1997band 1998, maintaining his role as one of Bin Laden's top lieutenants.
To those who know Mohammed, he is regarded with fear and awe for his incredible self-confidence, his inability to be intimidated, absolute ruthless determination to destroy the enemies of Islam and his zealous belief in the tenets of militant Islamic Fundamentalism. The question now is will he cut a deal.
Ali Abdul Saoud Mohamed, (علي محمد) (born June 3, 1952) is a double agent who worked for both the CIA and Egyptian Islamic Jihad simultaneously, reporting on the workings of each for the benefit of the other.
He came to the United States working as a translator for Ayman al-Zawahiri, who toured California mosques to raise money to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. While there, Zawahiri encouraged him to infiltrate the United States, to whom he later presented himself as defecting. Since he simply walked into the CIA office in Cairo and asked to speak to the station chief and offered his services, the Americans assumed he was an Egyptian spy, but nevertheless recruited him to be a junior intelligence officer. When tasked to infiltrate a mosque with ties to Hezbollah, he simply informed the leadership he was an American spy intending to collect information; since a loyal American spy was also in the congregation, he reported Mohamed's bizarre behaviour to the CIA, who dismissed him and sought to ban him from entering the United States. Ironically however, he was simply picked up by the Special Forces in the American army, who sent him to the Special Warfare school and encouraged him to pursue a doctorate in Islamic Studies and teach courses on the Middle East.
In the 1980s Mohamed trained anti-Soviet fighters en route to Afghanistan. FBI special agent Jack Cloonan called him "bin Laden's first trainer". Mohamed was charged with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. In October 2000, he pleaded guilty to five counts of conspiracy to kill nationals of the United States and to destroy U.S. property.
Mohamed has been described as "Six-foot one, 200 pounds, and exceptionally fit, ... a martial artist and skilled linguist who spoke fluent English, French, and Hebrew in addition to his native Arabic. He was disciplined, clever, and gregarious, with a marked facility for making friends."
Mohamed was a major in the Egyptian army's military intelligence unit, until being discharged for suspected fundamentalism in 1984. He enlisted in the U.S. Army and used U.S. military information to train al-Qaeda and other Muslim militants, and write al-Qaeda's multivolume terrorist training guide. 
In the United States
In 1984 Mohamed offered his services to the CIA in Cairo station and was stationed in Hamburg, Germany. There he "entered a mosque associated with Hezbollah and immediately told the Iranian cleric in charge that he was an American spy assigned to infiltrate the community." The mosque had already been penetrated and his announcement was passed on to the CIA, which, according to Lawrence Wright, "terminated Mohamed" and "sent out cables labeling him highly untrustworthy." By this "time, however, Mohamed was already in California on a visa-waiver program that was sponsored by the agency itself, one designed to shield valuable assets or those who have performed important services for the country." 
In America he married an American woman from Santa Clara, California after a 6 week courtship and became a U.S. citizen. He enlisted in the U.S. Army and managed to get stationed at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina until 1989. "His awed superiors found him 'beyond reproach' and 'consistently accomplished'." 
According to Cooperative Research, Mohamed was a Drill sergeant at Fort Bragg, and was hired to teach courses on Arabic culture at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School.
In 1988 Mohamed informed his superior officers in the U.S. Army that he was taking some leave time to fight Soviets in Afghanistan. "A month later, he returned, boasting that he had killed two Soviet soldiers and giving away as souvenirs what he claimed were their uniform belts."
Mohamed's commanding officer, Lt. Col. Robert Anderson, said he wrote detailed reports aimed at getting Army intelligence to investigate Mohamed — and have him court-martialed — but the reports were ignored.
"I think you or I would have a better chance of winning Powerball, than an Egyptian major in the unit that assassinated Sadat would have getting a visa, getting to California ... getting into the Army and getting assigned to a Special Forces unit," he said. "That just doesn't happen."
It was equally unthinkable that an ordinary American GI would go unpunished after fighting in a foreign war, he said.
Anderson said all this convinced him that Mohamed was "sponsored" by a U.S. intelligence service. "I assumed the CIA," he said.
Mohamed also took maps and training manuals off base to downsize and copy at Kinko's and used them to write al-Qaeda's multivolume terrorist training guide that became playbook.
Mohamed also conducted clandestine military and demolition training through the Al Kifah Refugee Center. While in the United States, he helped train a number of jihadis, like El Sayyid Nosair and Mahmud Abouhalima, who assisted Ramzi Yousef in his 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.
In the early 1990s Mohamed returned to Afghanistan, where "he trained the first al-Qaeda volunteers in techniques of unconventional warfare including kidnappings, assassinations, and hijacking planes, which he had learned from the American Special Forces." According to FBI special agent Jack Cloonan, in one of Mohamed's first classes were Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and other al-Qaeda leaders.
In 1993 Mohamed also traveled to Africa to survey embassies in Africa such as the Nairobi, (Kenya) embassy which Al-Qaeda later bombed. He became an FBI informant.
In 1994, al-Qaeda operative Mohammed Atef refused to allow Mohamed to know which name and passport he would be traveling under, expressing concerns that Mohamed could be working with the American authorities.
In a televised interview Mohamed explained his rationale for his efforts: "Islam without political dominance cannot survive."
While he was subpoenaed in "Blind Sheik" Omar Abdel-Rahman's trial, Ali Mohamed was not arrested until years later — on 10 September 1998, when he attempted to flee to Egypt after being subpoenaed in the aftermath of the embassy bombings in Nairobi and Tanzania. After eight months of imprisonment, Ali Mohamed entered a guilty plea in May 1999. What happened after that is unclear. The trial proceeded, but there is no record of any sentencing or even a conviction. As late as February 20, 2002, CBS News reported that "Mohammad pleaded guilty and is awaiting sentencing." He has now been arrested again by the Pakistani Army in Karachi.
Speculated cooperation with US IntelligenceIn October 2001, the Raleigh News & Observer noted that Ali Mohamed may be cooperating with the US government. "Defense lawyers and many other observers believe that Mohamed, who has not yet been sentenced, is now cooperating with the United States, though the government has never confirmed this. When he is sentenced he could receive as little as 25 years under his plea agreement." In his book "The Mission, The Men, and Me: Lessons from a Former Delta Force Commander", former Delta Force commander Pete Blaber indicates he met Ali Mohamed who gave him information on how to infiltrate Afghanistan, find Al Qaeda commanders, and operate in country undetected in late 2001.
Further news sources in 2001 seem to suggest that Ali Mohamed is providing information on Bin Laden and al-Qaeda in an attempt to reduce his sentence, and that his sentencing "has been postponed indefinitely.". In 2006, Mohamed's wife, Linda Sanchez, was reported in 2006 as saying, "He's still not sentenced yet, and without him being sentenced I really can't say much. He can't talk to anybody. Nobody can get to him. They have Ali pretty secretive...it's like he just kinda vanished into thin air."
Edited by paloalto, Jul 3 2012, 11:57 AM.
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