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| A Storm is Coming | Sep 22 2011, 07:15 PM Post #1 |
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They finally found faster than light particles What took them so long? http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/particles-found-to-break-speed-of-light-challenging-laws-of-physics-20110923-1kntb.html T I I I I M E is on my side Yes it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzcWwmwChVE Heres a Cheap Trick Question to confuse the genius next to you If the Universe is 14 Billion years old based on the furthest light source reaching us from 14 Billion years in the past, then the Universe is exploding apart from the big bang at a constant speed (the speed of light) unless time becomes a factor in the equation BUT, They say the expansion is speeding up and they can't explain it BUT, If the Universe is expanding at a faster and faster rate as self proclaimed geniuses suggest, then wouldn't it now be expanding WAY faster than the speed of light ???
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| A Storm is Coming | Sep 23 2011, 07:27 PM Post #2 |
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I wonder if they will discover Nasa's secret space program next ? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-science-light-idUSTRE78L4FH20110923 Probably not... If they can't even prove that I'm not Hitler's Grandson, how the He!! will they ever know that I AM the secret Space Program? Unless somebody tells them... Whoops What I meant to say was.....um.. Welcome to PUMPITOUT.COM The World Leader in Past - Present and Future News, TODAY! Edited by A Storm is Coming, Sep 23 2011, 07:40 PM.
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| A Storm is Coming | Sep 24 2011, 03:27 AM Post #3 |
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Are these self proclaimed geniuses a bunch of retards? Here is the same topic where they say the expansion of the Universe is accelerating http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/24/science-eu-breaking-light-speed_8698457.html Why won't they ever consider the fact that Gravity itself or everything in our Galaxy whirlpooling into the center of a black hole at the Milky way center affects how they perceive the red shift? Or the fact that time itself is a manmade linear concept that does not fit this non-linear reality Or the fact that....Oh wait, that's still classified nevermind! Don Rickles said it best These people are BRILLIANT and I know that its true because they tell me so all the time or Milhouse from the Simpsons Gee, If its in a book, it's GOTTA be true! Edited by A Storm is Coming, Sep 24 2011, 03:37 AM.
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| Vikki | Sep 24 2011, 06:57 PM Post #4 |
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-science-light-idUSTRE78L4FH20110923 "Faster than light" particles threaten Einstein Particles break the speed of light Fri, Sep 23 2011 By Robert Evans GENEVA | Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:16pm EDT GENEVA (Reuters) - Sub-atomic particles apparently traveling faster than light could force a major rethink of theories about how the cosmos works and even allow dreams of time travel and extra dimensions, scientists said on Friday. Jeff Forshaw, a professor of particle physics at Britain's Manchester University, said the results, if confirmed, would mean it would be possible in theory "to send information into the past." "In other words, time travel into the past would become possible ... (though) that does not mean we'll be building time machines any time soon," he told Reuters. The international physicists who made the startling findings at CERN near Geneva said they must now be confirmed by independent research teams. The wider scientific community expressed astonishment and skepticism. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and this is an extraordinary claim," cosmologist and astrophysicist Martin Rees told Reuters. CERN, also home to the Large Hadron Collider that is probing how the universe began and developed, said measurements over three years had shown invisible neutrino particles covering the 730 km to a laboratory in Italy 60 nanoseconds -- or 60 billionths of a second -- faster than light. That reading could show that Albert Einstein, father of modern physics, was wrong when he laid down in his 1905 theory of special relativity that the speed of light was a "cosmic constant," and nothing could go faster. CORNERSTONE OF SCIENCE That principle, and Einstein's later general relativity theory, which expanded it into wider fields of physics, have been cornerstones of scientific views of the cosmos and how it works ever since. The new finding was recorded when 15,000 neutrino beams were pumped over three years from CERN to an underground Italian laboratory at Gran Sasso near Rome. Physicists on the experiment, called OPERA after the initials of its formal scientific title, say they had checked and rechecked over many months anything that could have produced a misreading before announcing what they had found. Professor Jenny Thomas, who works on neutrinos at Fermilab, the U.S. physics research center near Chicago, commented: "The impact of this measurement, were it to be correct, would be huge." OPERA's Dario Auterio, presenting the findings to a packed and clearly sceptical auditorium at CERN on Friday, said they were of "high statistical accuracy" and could not be explained by extraneous effects such as seismic tremors or moon phases. He declined to get into theoretical interpretations and told his audience of largely CERN scientists that other research centres -- Fermilab and probably Japan's T2K neutrino research team -- must now take up the baton. "In science, you can never be sure. Something odd can always happen, however careful you are," said CERN spokesman James Gillies. "You've always got to get an independent result from someone else before you can say it's a discovery." SCEPTICISM VOICED Many leading scientists were sceptical that Einstein's theories would have to be abandoned. "It is premature to comment on this," said Professor Stephen Hawking, perhaps the world's best-known physicist, who has come up with contested ideas of his own. "Further experiments and clarifications are needed." The high level of caution is normal in science where anything that could be a breakthrough discovery, especially one that overturns well-established thinking, is rigorously inspected by other researchers to see if they get the same results. CERN's research director, Sergio Bertolucci, reaffirmed this principle. "When an experiment finds an apparently unbelievable result and can find no artefact of the measurement to account for it, it is normal to invite broader scrutiny ... That is good scientific practice," he said. The measurements were posted on the scientific website arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897. Einstein's theory has been tested thousands of times over the past 106 years and only recently have there been slight indications that the behavior of some elementary particles of matter might not fit into it. OPERA spokesman Antonio Ereditato said the sub-atomic neutrino, which is normally produced in nuclear decay or nuclear reactions such as those on the Sun and was only confirmed to exist in 1934, "is still surprising us with its mysteries." Scientific bloggers on the Internet said the particle might be slipping into and out of dimensions, other than the known four of length, breadth, depth and time, as predicted by the controversial "string theory" of how the cosmos works. "Only when the dust finally settles should we dare draw any firm conclusions," said Professor Forshaw. "It is in the nature of science that for every new and important discovery there will be hundreds of false alarms." (Additional reporting by John Manley and Steve Addison; Editing by Robert Woodward and Kevin Liffey) .................................................................................................................................................................................. http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897 Cornell University Cornell University Library We gratefully acknowledge supporting institutions arXiv.org Search or Article-id (Help | Advanced search) Paper identifier '1109.4897.' not recognized There appears to be a valid arXiv paper identifier within '1109.4897.'. Perhaps the link you followed was intended as a link to arXiv:1109.4897. You might instead try to search for papers using title or author information. For additional help on arXiv identifiers, see understanding the arXiv identifier. Contact .............................................................................................................................................................................. There appears to be a valid arXiv paper identifier within '1109.4897.'. Perhaps the link you followed was intended as a link to arXiv:1109.4897. You might instead try to search for papers using title or author information. For additional help on arXiv identifiers, see understanding the arXiv identifier. Contact So, Kornhell, which way do I go to find this, back to the future or forward to the past? |
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| Vikki | Sep 25 2011, 04:05 PM Post #5 |
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I see that Cornell has fixed the link. http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897 The file can be downloaded by clicking on the pdf link in the top right-hand corner. This is a good article. Wired Science News for Your Neurons Scientists Question Faster-Than-Light Neutrinos http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/09/scientists-question-neutrinos/ The comments at the bottom of the page are interesting. |
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| A Storm is Coming | Sep 25 2011, 08:38 PM Post #6 |
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This week the Geniuses at Nasa were wrong about the reentry time of the satelite that crashed earlier than their calculations suggested They never took into account the expansion of the atmosphere caused by the recent solar activity causing the satellite to fall through the atmosphere with less friction Actually we have been able to travel faster than light now for several years since the Bose Einstein Condensate experiments If you do a search on Bose Einstein Condensates, you will find that the speed of light can be slowed down to a point where you can walk faster than the speed of light But that is cheating The speed of light is constant only in a pure uncontaminated vacuum devoid of outside interference They will eventually see what they did wrong and when they do, Jeff will suddenly realize how warped my sense of humor is Oh well, I'm probably the only one here who laughs at my jokes anyway Edited by A Storm is Coming, Sep 25 2011, 08:52 PM.
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| Vikki | Sep 26 2011, 11:25 AM Post #7 |
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hey will eventually see what they did wrong and when they do, Jeff will suddenly realize how warped my sense of humor is Oh well, I'm probably the only one here who laughs at my jokes anyway ......................................................................................................................................................................... LOL! :))))))))))))) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/22/us-science-higgs-idUSTRE77L5KS20110822 By Robert Evans GENEVA | Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:54pm EDT GENEVA (Reuters) - Scientists chasing a particle they believe may have played a vital role in creation of the universe indicated on Monday they were coming to accept it might not exist after all. Snip: A number of scientists from the center went on to make comments that raised the possibility that the mystery particle might not exist. Snip: Scientists at the U.S. Fermilab near Chicago have been in a parallel search in their Tevatron collider for nearly 30 years. Last month they said they hoped to establish if the Higgs exists by the end of September, when the Tevatron closes down. For some scientists, the Higgs remains the simplest explanation of how matter got mass. It remains unclear what could replace it as an explanation. "We know something is missing, we simply don't quite know what this new something might be," wrote CERN blogger Pauline Gagnon. "There are many models out there; we simply need to be nudged in the right direction," added Gagnon, an experimental physicist. (Editing by Andrew Heavens) -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/science-light-idUSL5E7KN33E20110923 UPDATE 2-"Faster than light" particles may be physics revolution By Robert Evans GENEVA, Sept 23 | Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:22am EDT GENEVA, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Leading scientists said on Friday the discovery of sub-atomic particles apparently traveling faster than light could force a major rethink of theories on the makeup of the cosmos if independently confirmed. Jeff Forshaw, a professor of particle physics at Britain's Manchester University, told Reuters the results if confirmed would mean it would be possible in theory to "send information into the past". "In other words, time travel into the past would become possible...(though) that does not mean we'll be building time-machines anytime soon." [snip] GHOST PARTICLES The CERN team, working in an experiment dubbed OPERA, pumped neutrinos -- often called ghost particles because they pass through matter, and human bodies, unnoticed -- from CERN 730 kms (500 miles) to Gran Sasso south of Rome. Over three years, and from 15,000 neutrino "events", a huge detector at the Italian centre deep under mountain rock recorded what OPERA spokesman Antonio Ereditato described as the "startling" findings. He said his team had high confidence they had measured correctly and excluded any possibility of some outside influence, or artefact, affecting the outcome. "My dream is now that other colleagues find we are right," he added. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Key Words are: Ghosts, Dreams, Mirages and Unknown Unknowns. I think I may have found the answer to this great mystery. Quote: The CERN team, working in an experiment dubbed OPERA, pumped neutrinos -- often called ghost particles because they pass through matter, and human bodies, unnoticed -- from CERN 730 kms (500 miles) to Gran Sasso south of Rome. So, they pumped a bunch of neutrinos to GranS asso and repeatedly got the same output. |
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| A Storm is Coming | Oct 5 2011, 07:53 AM Post #8 |
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Update The Nobel Prize in Physics was just awarded to a group of pseudo scientists who think they have found the Universe expanding faster than the speed of light Lets put this in "Perspective" First they say the Universe is around 14 billion years old because the most distant objects we see required 14 billion years for the light to reach us That would mean the Universe expanded at the speed of light WRONG! buts lets continue... Now they win a Nobel prize for discovering that the rate of expansion is accelerating http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/04/trio-americans-share-2011-nobel-prize-in-physics/ WRONG AGAIN! The world is full of Lying Scumbags who think they can just steal knowledge and technology and become masters of the Universe F U K A S H I M A It's ClueTime Little Bitches! You have no sense of TIME Now send me the Nobel prize and put my name in Lights you little pricks! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44705396/ns/technology_and_science-science/ Edited by A Storm is Coming, Oct 5 2011, 08:08 AM.
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| A Storm is Coming | Oct 5 2011, 08:59 AM Post #9 |
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Nobel Awards of 2011 Brought to you by Bogus Physics.edu Because YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! If the light from the most distant objects took 14 billion years to get here and the Universe is expanding at the speed of light (BY THEIR MATH / NOT MINE), then the Universe is at least 28 billion light years across and twice as old as they say it is do to the fact that we won't see the current size untill the light reaches us in another 14 billion years! Do the Math! Then send me another Nobel Prize and spell my name right you Morons! It's spelled just like it sounds.... A Z Z H O L E ! Edited by A Storm is Coming, Oct 5 2011, 11:40 AM.
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| A Storm is Coming | Oct 15 2011, 04:07 PM Post #10 |
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Hey Your GPS is off http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php Edited by A Storm is Coming, Oct 15 2011, 04:24 PM.
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