Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Pumpitout. We hope you enjoy your visit.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Ties Fray Between Pakistan and U.S. Intelligence Agencies
Topic Started: Feb 18 2011, 12:40 PM (480 Views)
shure
Member Avatar
Administrator
Spy Feud Hampers Antiterror Efforts
By ADAM ENTOUS, JULIAN E. BARNES and TOM WRIGHT
WORLD NEWSFEBRUARY 18, 2011.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604576150700376521050.html

Posted Image
Tensions between U.S. and Pakistani spy agencies have risen to new highs recently over Pakistan's arrest of Raymond Davies, a U.S. government contractor. Pictured, a rally against Mr.Davis which took place in Lahore, Pakistan, on Thursday.


Ties between U.S. and Pakistani intelligence agencies have deteriorated sharply in recent months, compromising cooperation on a range of critical counter-terrorism efforts, including U.S. drone strikes targeting top militant leaders, current and former officials say.

Some U.S. officials describe relations between the two spy agencies as the worst since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. One senior official said the tensions have cost the U.S. the chance to strike at some senior terrorists in the region.

The state of relations, while never perfect, is now alarming counter-terrorism and military officials, who say close cooperation between the Central Intelligence Agency and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence is essential to the campaign against al Qaeda and the war against the Taliban and its allies in Afghanistan.

Behind the falling out is a series of controversial incidents starting late last year, which prompted tit-for-tat accusations that burst into the open with the December outing of the CIA's station chief in Islamabad.

More recently, tensions have risen to new highs over Pakistan's detention of former Special Forces soldier Raymond Davis, a U.S. government contractor in the city of Lahore, for killing two Pakistanis in disputed circumstances. A Pakistani court Thursday ruled to delay by three weeks a hearing on whether Mr. Davis is covered by diplomatic immunity.

Earlier this week, President Barack Obama urged Pakistan to honor a 1961 treaty on diplomatic immunity to which both Pakistan and the U.S are signatories. Pakistan's central government faces public pressure from Islamist and student groups not to release Mr. Davis, who shot dead the two men on Jan. 27 in the center of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. Mr. Davis has said the men were trying to rob him at gunpoint.

Faced with pointed questions from lawmakers about strained ties with Pakistan, CIA Director Leon Panetta this week acknowledged relations between intelligence agencies were "one of the most complicated" he's ever seen. While the ISI continues to help the U.S. target al Qaeda leaders in the tribal areas, Mr. Panetta said its policies in other areas are in direct conflict with the U.S., stoking frequent tensions.

One U.S. official briefed on the matter, defending the agency's handling of the ties, acknowledged that relations were in a "trough at the moment," but rejected suggestions they were at their worst since 9/11. He said the disagreements stem not from a lack of cooperation "but because the Pakistanis are pulling stunts that just don't make any sense."

The CIA has long used intelligence from the ISI to help identify targets for drone strikes in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. Officials on both sides say the CIA now operates largely autonomously, especially since the U.S. has been concentrating its fire on the Haqqani militant network in the North Waziristan region.

U.S. officials say the ISI no longer provides the CIA with targeting information in most cases. A senior Pakistani official said of the CIA: "They don't ask us before they fire their missiles."

The ISI has long nurtured ties with the Haqqanis, which it sees as a strategic asset that can help Islamabad fend off Indian influences in neighboring Afghanistan, especially as U.S. forces begin pulling out in July. Washington, in contrast, sees the Haqqanis, who have been responsible for spectacular attacks in Kabul, as the biggest single threat to Western and Afghan forces, particularly in eastern Afghanistan. The group has emerged as one of the main targets of the drone strikes over the past year.

"The [ISI has] no intention of helping the United States degrade the Haqqani network," a U.S. official said.

The CIA hasn't conducted any drone strikes in the tribal areas of Pakistan since Jan. 23, one of the longest known periods without a strike since the beginning of the Obama administration. Drone strikes peaked in September with a record 22 attacks. They've been falling since then to a low of nine in January.

U.S. intelligence officials attribute the recent drop off in the number of strikes to bad winter weather. Other officials and experts say weather may well be a factor, but that the sharp drop in strikes also suggests that the CIA may be having trouble pinpointing new Haqqani targets, either because militants have gone deeper into hiding or have moved to new areas, possibly with the help of ISI.

Two tribesmen in North Waziristan say the weather has been mixed, cloudy some days or sunny on others, since Jan. 24. They said aircraft they believe to be drones can be seen flying overhead on clearer days but there have been no strikes.

The Haqqani network has long used Miranshah in North Waziristan as its main base of operations in Pakistan. But U.S. officials and outside experts say there are signs the group may be moving to a neighboring tribal area known as Kurram, possibly with the help of ISI agents, making it harder for the CIA to find targets to strike in North Waziristan.

Jeff Dressler, an expert on the Haqqani network with the Institute for the Study of War who frequently briefs U.S. military leaders, said the movement into Kurram would more than double the size of the group's safe haven in Pakistan and provide its fighters, which are aligned with al Qaeda and the Taliban, with easier access to the greater Kabul area, approximately 60 miles away, to carry out attacks.

U.S. officials suspect the ISI has at a minimum tracked the militants' movements, but the Pakistani government hasn't shared that intelligence with the CIA. "No one can move out of Miranshah without someone in the Pakistani government knowing about it, especially the bigger fish," a U.S. official said.

The problems between the CIA and ISI stem from a number of factors, including Pakistani anger over public comments by U.S. officials that Pakistan isn't doing enough to combat militancy, and Pakistani concerns that the CIA is building up its own spy network as an end run around the ISI. U.S. officials, in turn, blamed ISI for leaking the identity of the CIA's station chief.

Meetings between ISI and CIA officials, formerly held every 10 days or so, have become less frequent, a senior ISI official said. A U.S. official said contacts continued but offered few details.

Pakistan last year also quietly shut down at least two so-called fusion centers that brought together U.S. and Pakistani military intelligence officials.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), chairman of the Intelligence Committee, said she now sees the CIA-ISI relationship as "something less than wholehearted partnership" because the ISI is "walking both sides of the street."







Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
shure
Member Avatar
Administrator
Probe finds connection between Davis, drone attacks
Friday, February 18, 2011
http://www.dawn.com/2011/02/18/probe-finds-connection-between-davis-drone-attacks.html

Posted Image
A GPS chip recovered from the possession of Davis was being used in identifying targets for drone attacks in North Waziristan, claimed sources. - Photo by Reuters

KARACHI: Investigation teams were astonished to learn about Raymond Davis’s alleged connections in North Waziristan, sources told DawnNews.

Sources revealed that a GPS chip recovered from the possession of Davis was being used in identifying targets for drone attacks in the tribal region.

The 36 year old US official was hesitant in giving out information about his visits to the tribal region during investigations, sources said.

The US Embassy Officials were also exerting pressure on the investigation teams, asking the not to expose the information received from Davis.

It was also learnt that Davis made up to 12 visits to the tribal areas without prior notification to Pakistani officials.

The Punjab government has shared the investigation and the possessions recovered from Davis with the federal government, said sources.







Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
MAC


Maybe someone will get pissed off enuff to spill the beans on Atta's 100k.. ^o)

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chrisbornag

shure
Feb 18 2011, 12:51 PM
Investigation teams were astonished to learn about Raymond Davis
US Caught Lying
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/02/us-caught-in-big-lie.html
"Furthermore, the kind of killing that Davis was involved in--the daylight execution on a crowded street of two young men on motorcycles, and the equipment police found in his car, which included multiple semi-automatic pistols and high-capacity clips, a telescope, a forehead-mounted infra-red flashlight, multiple cell-phones, a cell-phone locater, clippers, military knives, makeup and masks and a camera filled with photos of schools (common targets for bombings in Lahore and other Pakistani cities)--sound dirtier than the typical CIA fare."

"CIA spy" Davis was giving nuclear bomb material to Al-Qaeda, says report
http://in.news.yahoo.com/cia-spy-davis-giving-nuclear-bomb-material-al-20110219-224833-452.html
"Double murder-accused US official Raymond Davis has been found in possession of top-secret CIA documents, which point to him or the feared American Task Force 373 (TF373) operating in the region, providing Al-Qaeda terrorists with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents," according to a report."

Whatreallyhappened.com Webmaster's Commentary:
"Remember how only a few days ago the FBI was quoted as saying there was a 100% chance a nuclear bomb would be set off inside the United States by "Al Qaeda?"
Easy prediction to make when you know the CIA is giving "Al Qaeda" the fissile material and biological weapons!
Do you grasp what is going on? The CIA uses a Blackwater contract agent to approach "Al Qaeda" or any convenient dumb-ass patsy and gives them the key ingredient to make a nuclear weapon. Plus they garnish it with some biological weapons as an added bonus. Then the public is fed a story about how nuclear weapons may already be inside the United States via the port in San Diego, to make the subsequent blast explainable.
This is 9-11 all over again. The government of the US and Israel is desperate to kick off WW3 before the global revolution comes to their doorsteps. They are cornered, and nothing is more dangerous than a cornered government willing to use a nuclear weapon on their own people.
This is not science fiction.
This is not a movie fantasy about a man in a Guy Fawkes mask.
This is the real deal!
The United States Government got out of the crash of 1907 by getting into WW1.
The United States Government got out of the crash of 1929 by getting into WW2.
Here we are in the throes of the crash of 2007 (which according to the FCIC did not even have to happen, were it not for Wall Street's criminality and government complacency) and look ... how ... hard ... they ... are ... trying ... to ... start ... world ... war ... three!
And the only one who can stop this insanity is you! B-) "

CIA Spy Captured Giving Nuclear Bomb Material To Terrorists
http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=82
"While all eyes in the West are currently trained on the ongoing revolution taking place in Egypt, Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) is warning that the situation on the sub-continent has turned “grave” as it appears open warfare is about to break out between Pakistan and the United States."

CIA link emerges in Pakistan double shooting
http://whatreallyhappened.com/CIA%20link%20emerges%20in%20Pakistan%20double%20shooting
"Pakistani officials say an American man in custody for the killing of two men in the Pakistan city of Lahore last month is a CIA agent.
In remarks bound to inflame tensions between Islamabad and Washington, a Pakistani intelligence official told a news agency Raymond Davis was working as an undercover CIA contractor when he shot two Pakistani men who he claims threatened him.
The anonymous Pakistani official reportedly said it is "beyond any shadow of a doubt" that Davis was working for the CIA."

Captured CIA Agent Connected To False Flags Within Pakistan?
http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/21/captured-cia-agent-connected-to-false-flags-within-pakistan/
"This is not only being reported by Press TV, it is being reported by multiple other news outlets that are not connected to the Iranian government. Was Raymond David a false flag operative?

AMERICAN HELD IN PAKISTAN IS ACTING CIA STATION CHIEF
http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2011/02/american-held-in-pakistan-is-acting-cia-station-chief
"A British and a Pakistani newspaper have confirmed that an American diplomat, who is being held in Pakistan for killing two armed men in Lahore, is in reality an employee of the Central Intelligence Agency."
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chrisbornag

chrisbornag
Feb 22 2011, 11:14 AM
"the equipment police found in his car... sound dirtier than the typical CIA fare."

"Remember how only a few days ago the FBI was quoted as saying there was a 100% chance a nuclear bomb would be set off inside the United States by "Al Qaeda?"
Easy prediction to make when you know the CIA is giving "Al Qaeda" the fissile material and biological weapons!"
Two CIA contractors spirited out of Pakistan, by: J.T. Waldron
http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/02/reuters-reuters-two-u.html
"(Reuters) - Two U.S. citizens with diplomatic status were quietly withdrawn from Pakistan after being involved in a fatal car accident last month while trying to help Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor being held by Pakistani authorities on murder charges."
"Editors Note: Keep in mind that these agents were also involved with providing Al Qaeda operatives with "nuclear fissile material" and "biological agents". This is what the U.S. is attempting to cover up."

Pakistan's intelligence [ISI] ready to split with CIA
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_pakistan_feuding_spies
"Pakistan's ISI spy agency is ready to split with the CIA because of frustration over what it calls heavy-handed pressure and its anger over what it believes is a covert U.S. operation involving hundreds of contract spies, according to a document obtained by The Associated Press and interviews with U.S. and Pakistani officials.
Such a move could seriously damage the U.S war effort in Afghanistan, limit a program targeting al-Qaida insurgents along the Pakistan frontier, and restrict Washington's access to information in the nuclear-armed country."
"Webmaster's Commentary: Go ahead, ISI; blow the lid off the nuclear false flag Davis was trying to set up. I dare you!"

American Raymond Davis' police interview after shooting two Pakistanis dead
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8316093/American-Raymond-Davis-police-interview-after-shooting-two-Pakistanis-dead.html
"what an American diplomat was doing driving alone in a Honda Civic through the streets of Lahore with a Glock handgun."

CIA Agent Caught Red-Handed Aiding Pakistani Terrorism
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/cia-agent-caught-red-handed-aiding.html
"the deeper story is that Davis allegedly actively aided and abetted terrorism. As CNN notes: Davis was suspected in masterminding terrorist activity. "Davis was instrumental in recruiting young people from Punjab for the Taliban to fuel the insurgency."

Government Infiltrates Terror Cells Time and Again ... But Fails to Stop Attacks
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/government-infiltrates-terror-cells.html
"government infiltrates Terror Cells to CAUSE attacks! Like the situation unfolding in Pakistan where CIA contract agent Davis was discovered trying to give nuclear and biological weapons materials to terrorists."

Fake Al Qaeda
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the TV watcher to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US . . ." -- Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook.

Widow of man shot dead by US consul official [Raymond Davis] commits suicide
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8308913/Widow-of-man-shot-dead-by-US-consul-official-commits-suicide.html
"Shumaila Kanwal, the widow of Muhammad Faheem, was admitted on Sunday night after swallowing rat poison. She spoke to reporters at her bedside shortly before her death. "I want blood for blood. The way my husband was shot, his killer should be shot in the same fashion," she said."

Father of [American] teen killed in Gaza flotilla raid seeks American justice [is it any left?]
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/focus-u-s-a/father-of-teen-killed-in-gaza-flotilla-raid-seeks-american-justice-1.345023
"the U.S. gives more weight to its relationship with Israel than to the welfare of its own citizens."

Note: Mossad agents dress themselves as Arabs, as U.S. Military, as CIA agents. Check very carefully the hand of Israel behind any and every suspicious false flag act and attack, please! This time, don't be lost in the 'video games' and oppose deeply any kind of deception.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Join the millions that use us for their forum communities. Create your own forum today.
« Previous Topic · Lates News · Next Topic »
Add Reply