Third plane over WTC ?!

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Third plane over WTC ?!; after 2nd attack !
Topic Started: Sep 12 2010, 04:47 AM (2,353 Views)
drabikpany	Sep 12 2010, 04:47 AM Post #1
9/11 Poland Posts: 39 Group: Members Member #288 Joined: Sep 20, 2009	New amateur footage showing mystery plane over twin towers after 2nd attack. What do you know?



YougeneDebs	Sep 12 2010, 06:04 AM Post #2
Posts: 758 Group: Perspectivist Member #182 Joined: Mar 30, 2009	Filmed from near the very top of St Jmes Condominum at 415 E 54th St, manhattan, nyc. But my question is: Why does the sound change at 0:25 ??? And: Does the plane look like it's flying backwards??? Edited by YougeneDebs, Sep 12 2010, 06:05 AM.



Examine911	Sep 12 2010, 04:39 PM Post #3
Posts: 25 Group: Members Member #431 Joined: Aug 23, 2010	Quote: Why does the sound change at 0:25 ??? Best guess: I'm assuming whoever uploaded the video slowed the footage down to half speed at that point and the video editing software they used cut the sound when changing the playback speed.



Matt	Sep 20 2010, 07:22 PM Post #4
Posts: 787 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: Sep 27, 2008	For more see The Flying Elephant: Evidence for Involvement of a Third Jet in the WTC Attacks
Posts: 787 Group: Members Member #7 Joined: Sep 27, 2008


Darren	Sep 20 2010, 10:25 PM Post #5
Posts: 159 Group: Global Moderator Member #137 Joined: Jan 18, 2009	Seems to match up. Edited by Darren, Sep 20 2010, 10:28 PM.



achimspok	Sep 21 2010, 03:18 AM Post #6
Posts: 470 Group: Global Moderator Member #266 Joined: Aug 2, 2009	That's probably the 4th plane over NYC. In the first video the plane flew somehow in northern direction. Thats what I already had seen in other "white plane" videos. Imo, in the video Darren linked the plane flew almost exactly towards south. All of these planes had a bright fuselage and a dark tail. Go to 1:17 and 2:12 because all the other flying objects are helicopters. The plane at 1:17/2:12 appears to be the same and is heading north. Of course the video quality is... Edited by achimspok, Sep 21 2010, 03:28 AM.



achimspok	Sep 21 2010, 03:58 AM Post #7
Posts: 470 Group: Global Moderator Member #266 Joined: Aug 2, 2009	The above plane appears to be the same like the following. The plane in souther direction was shot roughly 1 minute after the 2nd attack. The plane in northern direction apparently was shot about 5 minutes prior to the 2nd attack but... ...may be the time of the camcorder is wrong. Finally we have this plane (apparently prior to the 2nd hit) somewhere south of the towers heading east. If we try to put it in a timeline then the last picture might be the first one. A plane came from west to east - banked north - flew parallel to the alleged UA175 - and about 5 minutes later the plane few back south. Edited by achimspok, Sep 21 2010, 05:25 AM.



MrKoenig	Sep 21 2010, 05:47 AM Post #8
Atta and "Atta" Posts: 136 Group: Members Member #375 Joined: May 27, 2010	achimspok Seems to be a helicopter: achimspok Finally we have this plane (apparently prior to the 2nd hit) somewhere south of the towers heading east. Posted Image If we try to put it in a timeline then the last picture might be the first one. A plane came from west to east - banked north - flew parallel to the alleged UA175 - and about 5 minutes later the plane few back south. This one? full size Source: NIST FOIA Folder 2009 Edited by MrKoenig, Sep 21 2010, 06:13 AM.



achimspok	Sep 21 2010, 10:21 AM Post #9
Posts: 470 Group: Global Moderator Member #266 Joined: Aug 2, 2009	According to the Rades data there was one outbound plane from Newark parallel to UA175 There are two planes in the BTS database out of Newark - wheels off time at about 9:00EDT CO 09/11/2001 1402 N24224 LAX 08:08 08:58 CO 09/11/2001 0132 N17229 OAK 08:11 09:03 Both planes are Continental Airlines... ...but the BTS database includes only national flights while Continental Airlines has a lot international flights even out of Newark. Looks like the white plane heading north is an international flight because OAK is a little late and would go south while LAX is a little early and would go west. The south heading plane is most probably flight CO132 (CO 09/11/2001 0132 N17229 OAK 08:11 09:03). This is the last national flight out of Newark that day. Edited by achimspok, Sep 21 2010, 04:17 PM.



achimspok	Sep 21 2010, 06:59 PM Post #10
Posts: 470 Group: Global Moderator Member #266 Joined: Aug 2, 2009	The east heading planes are most likely one of the US Airways planes that arrived at LaGuardia (LGA) between 8:45 and 9:03 (Carrier Code / Date (MM/DD/YYYY) / Flight Number / Tail Number / Origin Airport / Actual Arrival Time / Wheels-on Time) CO 09/11/2001 1.750 N17345 CLE 08:49 08:44 US 09/11/2001 2.986 N249US JAX 08:53 08:47 AA 09/11/2001 398 N3CDAA ORD 08:52 08:49 US 09/11/2001 2.608 N267AU MCO 09:02 08:54 US 09/11/2001 6.852 N102UW DCA 09:06 08:56 AA 09/11/2001 1.088 N544AA BNA 09:26 09:03



Quantumflux432	Sep 21 2010, 08:58 PM Post #11
Posts: 75 Group: Members Member #304 Joined: Oct 23, 2009	What site is the Rades data from?



achimspok	Sep 22 2010, 05:45 AM Post #12
Posts: 470 Group: Global Moderator Member #266 Joined: Aug 2, 2009	Intranet site:https://radescave.hill.af.mil (84 RADES personnel) Mil site:https://wwwmil.rades.hill.af.mil Public site:http://www.rades.hill.af.mil Looks like these links do not work anymore but I could upload the released CD-Rom Image. Download here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CIRSUZJ9 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8AT86CJW Edited by achimspok, Sep 22 2010, 06:47 AM.



seatnineb	Sep 22 2010, 12:11 PM Post #13
Posts: 503 Group: Thespian Member #64 Joined: Oct 26, 2008	IMO That looks more like a United airlines plane to me...but could be wrong. Also might be an idea to look over some of the live footage from ABC ,cnn...ect ect...so see if it showed from any of their angles. But maybe it flew past the wtc before 8:53....which is when ABC went live. Just another random thought......should not that plane have been cast in shadow....like UA175 was?....maybe it is further away? Dunno...something to look into Edited by seatnineb, Sep 22 2010, 12:13 PM.



seatnineb	Sep 22 2010, 02:51 PM Post #14
Posts: 503 Group: Thespian Member #64 Joined: Oct 26, 2008	Did a quick crop,resize,cut and paste of the new foto over Fema's Cotsifas foto: The angles are not identical so the angles and perspectiveare are gonna be off........but still.....I think it shows there was some distance between the 2 planes......but not a hella of alot...sorry not terribly scientific! Still it may explain why that other plane was not covered by shadow(from the smoke) Edited by seatnineb, Sep 22 2010, 02:55 PM.



seatnineb	Sep 22 2010, 03:05 PM Post #15
Posts: 503 Group: Thespian Member #64 Joined: Oct 26, 2008	whoa whoa whoa....stop the press! Did not Mark Birbank say that he saw a plane with a blue circular logo on the front....and that it looked like nothing seen at a commercial airport! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYUs9u1YwV0 Also Given it's trajectory in the foto....this plane would fly over Brooklyn(where Birnbak was) Edited by seatnineb, Sep 22 2010, 03:41 PM.



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