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|Third plane over WTC ?!; after 2nd attack !|
|Topic Started: Sep 12 2010, 04:47 AM (2,353 Views)|
|drabikpany||Sep 12 2010, 04:47 AM Post #1|
New amateur footage showing mystery plane over twin towers after 2nd attack.
What do you know?
|YougeneDebs||Sep 12 2010, 06:04 AM Post #2|
Filmed from near the very top of St Jmes Condominum at 415 E 54th St, manhattan, nyc.
But my question is: Why does the sound change at 0:25 ???
And: Does the plane look like it's flying backwards???
Edited by YougeneDebs, Sep 12 2010, 06:05 AM.
|Examine911||Sep 12 2010, 04:39 PM Post #3|
Best guess: I'm assuming whoever uploaded the video slowed the footage down to half speed at that point and the video editing software they used cut the sound when changing the playback speed.
|Matt||Sep 20 2010, 07:22 PM Post #4|
||For more see The Flying Elephant: Evidence for Involvement of a Third Jet in the WTC Attacks|
|Darren||Sep 20 2010, 10:25 PM Post #5|
Seems to match up.
Edited by Darren, Sep 20 2010, 10:28 PM.
|achimspok||Sep 21 2010, 03:18 AM Post #6|
That's probably the 4th plane over NYC.
In the first video the plane flew somehow in northern direction. Thats what I already had seen in other "white plane" videos.
Imo, in the video Darren linked the plane flew almost exactly towards south. All of these planes had a bright fuselage and a dark tail.
Go to 1:17 and 2:12 because all the other flying objects are helicopters.
The plane at 1:17/2:12 appears to be the same and is heading north.
Of course the video quality is...
Edited by achimspok, Sep 21 2010, 03:28 AM.
|achimspok||Sep 21 2010, 03:58 AM Post #7|
The above plane appears to be the same like the following.
The plane in souther direction was shot roughly 1 minute after the 2nd attack.
The plane in northern direction apparently was shot about 5 minutes prior to the 2nd attack but...
...may be the time of the camcorder is wrong.
Finally we have this plane (apparently prior to the 2nd hit) somewhere south of the towers heading east.
If we try to put it in a timeline then the last picture might be the first one.
A plane came from west to east - banked north - flew parallel to the alleged UA175 - and about 5 minutes later the plane few back south.
Edited by achimspok, Sep 21 2010, 05:25 AM.
|MrKoenig||Sep 21 2010, 05:47 AM Post #8|
Atta and "Atta"
Seems to be a helicopter:
Source: NIST FOIA Folder 2009
Edited by MrKoenig, Sep 21 2010, 06:13 AM.
|achimspok||Sep 21 2010, 10:21 AM Post #9|
According to the Rades data there was one outbound plane from Newark parallel to UA175
There are two planes in the BTS database out of Newark - wheels off time at about 9:00EDT
CO 09/11/2001 1402 N24224 LAX 08:08 08:58
CO 09/11/2001 0132 N17229 OAK 08:11 09:03
Both planes are Continental Airlines...
...but the BTS database includes only national flights while Continental Airlines has a lot international flights even out of Newark.
Looks like the white plane heading north is an international flight because OAK is a little late and would go south while LAX is a little early and would go west.
The south heading plane is most probably flight CO132 (CO 09/11/2001 0132 N17229 OAK 08:11 09:03). This is the last national flight out of Newark that day.
Edited by achimspok, Sep 21 2010, 04:17 PM.
|achimspok||Sep 21 2010, 06:59 PM Post #10|
The east heading planes are most likely one of the US Airways planes that arrived at LaGuardia (LGA) between 8:45 and 9:03
(Carrier Code / Date (MM/DD/YYYY) / Flight Number / Tail Number / Origin Airport / Actual Arrival Time / Wheels-on Time)
CO 09/11/2001 1.750 N17345 CLE 08:49 08:44
US 09/11/2001 2.986 N249US JAX 08:53 08:47
AA 09/11/2001 398 N3CDAA ORD 08:52 08:49
US 09/11/2001 2.608 N267AU MCO 09:02 08:54
US 09/11/2001 6.852 N102UW DCA 09:06 08:56
AA 09/11/2001 1.088 N544AA BNA 09:26 09:03
|Quantumflux432||Sep 21 2010, 08:58 PM Post #11|
||What site is the Rades data from?|
|achimspok||Sep 22 2010, 05:45 AM Post #12|
Intranet site:https://radescave.hill.af.mil (84 RADES personnel)
Looks like these links do not work anymore but I could upload the released CD-Rom Image.
Edited by achimspok, Sep 22 2010, 06:47 AM.
|seatnineb||Sep 22 2010, 12:11 PM Post #13|
That looks more like a United airlines plane to me...but could be wrong.
Also might be an idea to look over some of the live footage from ABC ,cnn...ect ect...so see if it showed from any of their angles.
But maybe it flew past the wtc before 8:53....which is when ABC went live.
Just another random thought......should not that plane have been cast in shadow....like UA175 was?....maybe it is further away?
Dunno...something to look into
Edited by seatnineb, Sep 22 2010, 12:13 PM.
|seatnineb||Sep 22 2010, 02:51 PM Post #14|
Did a quick crop,resize,cut and paste of the new foto over Fema's Cotsifas foto:
The angles are not identical so the angles and perspectiveare are gonna be off........but still.....I think it shows there was some distance between the 2 planes......but not a hella of alot...sorry not terribly scientific!
Still it may explain why that other plane was not covered by shadow(from the smoke)
Edited by seatnineb, Sep 22 2010, 02:55 PM.
|seatnineb||Sep 22 2010, 03:05 PM Post #15|
whoa whoa whoa....stop the press!
Did not Mark Birbank say that he saw a plane with a blue circular logo on the front....and that it looked like nothing seen at a commercial airport!
Given it's trajectory in the foto....this plane would fly over Brooklyn(where Birnbak was)
Edited by seatnineb, Sep 22 2010, 03:41 PM.
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