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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 26 2010, 07:49 PM (1,614 Views) | |
| broken sticks | Aug 27 2010, 06:28 PM Post #16 |
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hey, cool thread - it only took a day for you guys to find out pretty much everything we needed to know about that. good work y'all! |
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| MAC | Aug 27 2010, 07:01 PM Post #17 |
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Jeff "It could have been manipulated anywhere down the line, including having the wrong information (date, time, etc...) set on the digital camera when the photo was taken." ..which would mean the camera which took Lewin’s photo had the wrong date set at 11-09-2001. And the camera which took Bingham’s graduation photo back in 1993 was wrongly set at 30-08-2001. Then there are photos of other victims with Exif/IPTC data showing dates on, or shortly before 11-09-2001. We’d have to accept that the cameras which took those photos also had their dates set wrong. I think it would be stretching the ‘coincidence’ theory way to far. So no.. i don't think we can conclude anything yet. MAC ps.. when Jayhan/Webfairy/Nico were discussing Exif data via email, as you say, was it regarding the CNN Memorial photos? Or were they refering to other 9/11 photos? Edited by MAC, Aug 27 2010, 07:27 PM.
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| MAC | Aug 27 2010, 07:25 PM Post #18 |
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Broken Sticks Unfortunately, not quite.  Did you download the photos from the CNN links and open them in Exif Reader? Photos exif data can be manipulated with software, as demonstrated.. but we can't do that with the originals from the CNN Memorial, can we? Anybody can alter them after download, of course.. and that would be a copy. And wrong dates on cameras doesn't explain it (see my previous reply to Jeff's post).. as if the explanation would be so simple and nobody would have thought of that already. Those photos were last altered/edited after their actual snap day... last edits/alterations being on the dates shown.. 30-09-2001? Which media source was playing with Bingham's photo 11 days before 9/11? It is kinda suspicious that Bingham's et al photos have been removed from the CNN Memorial.. the ones we are concerned about. We need to dig a little more. Columbo ain't done  There seems to be a lot of enthusiasm for debunking around here at times, just as other get too enthusiastic for jumping to conspiracy conclusions... just saying folks  MAC Edited by MAC, Aug 27 2010, 07:38 PM.
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| shure | Aug 27 2010, 07:42 PM Post #19 |
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Wrong dates on cameras is just one of many reasons. I have concluded (for myself) the photos are not smoking gun evidence. Like I said MAC, knock yourself out on the wild goose chase
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| MAC | Aug 27 2010, 08:01 PM Post #20 |
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Jeff Wrong dates on cameras is highly unlikely, considering what those dates actually were.. and for ALL the cameras to have wrong dates either set on, or shortly before 11-09-2001.. that's really stretching it  Your conclusion is your choice, of course. Thanks for your input and for the software 'demo', that helped answer one question (i've found others that do it too). Like i said, i'm not "knocking myself out".. i'm looking into it.. can do no harm. Just becasue Jayhan is milking it to prop up talk of vicsims, doesn't mean there's nothing to it. Anyway, we've all chased those Wild Geese haven't we over the last few years? We're still breathing. I need the exercise anyway About the J/WF/N email discussion.. again, was it regarding the CNN Memorial photos? Thanks. Peace. MAC |
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| shure | Aug 27 2010, 08:15 PM Post #21 |
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To each their own MAC! Phil Jayhan was not part of the email discussion on the pics, but yes, It was about the same CNN memorial pics as Jayhan is discussing now. I'm sure Phil read posts about it on 911researchers and other forums back then. |
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| MAC | Aug 27 2010, 08:24 PM Post #22 |
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Ok, thanks for answering. MAC |
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| seatnineb | Aug 28 2010, 02:15 AM Post #23 |
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Think MAC is right.... Forget the messenger(Jahan) and look at the message(Exif) Looks like exif has been in existence since before 9/11: Exif was created by the Japan Electronic Industries Development Association (JEIDA). Version 2.1 of the specification is dated June 12, 1998, and the latest, version 2.3 dated April 2010, was jointly formulated by JEITA and CIPA. Though the specification is not currently maintained by any industry or standards organization, its use by camera manufacturers is nearly universal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exchangeable_image_file_format. ...which makes you wonder why the perps would not have been aware of it....if they have cocked up here?! |
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| seatnineb | Aug 28 2010, 03:01 AM Post #24 |
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@MAC How are you downloading the fotos from the websites? Cheers |
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| MAC | Aug 28 2010, 11:12 AM Post #25 |
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seatnineb Howdy, Rustled up so far; Bingham (archived page) http://web.archive.org/web/20020111141251/http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1607.html Bingham (archived jpg) http://web.archive.org/web/20060312223530/www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/bingham.mark.jpg Bingham’s photo is missing from the Memorial http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1607.html Lewin’s photo is still currently in the original Memorial. http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1359.html Rice (archived page) http://web.archive.org/web/20040206031249/www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1727.html Rice (archived jpg) http://web.archive.org/web/20041210124807/www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/rice.david.jpg Rice’s photo is missing from the Memorial http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1727.html Menchaca (archived jpg) http://web.archive.org/web/20080306051455/www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/menchaca.dora.jpg Menchaca’s photo is missing from the Memorial http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1438.html Puopolo (archived jpg) http://web.archive.org/web/20080306053447/www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/images/full-size/puopolo.sonia.jpg Puopolo’s photo is missing from Memorial http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/people/1411.html IPTC dates complete with the all important 'ATTACKS VICTIMS' blurb Bingham - 30-08-2001 Lewin - 11-09-2001 Rice - 11-09-2001 Menchaca - 08-09-2001 Puopolo - 03-04-2001 You can check these for yourself with Exif Reader. Unless Lewin and Rice had their photo’s taken on 9/11 (!), or all the digital cameras which took them had the wrong dates which all just happened to be on, or shortly before 11-09-2001 (Bingham, Lewin, Rice & Menchaca especially), the odds against which must be astronomical.. or unless whomever edited the photos for the Memorial (assuming post-9/11) had the wrong dates on their PCs (if that be the case), or as is the case with Lewin and Rice, they just worked really fast to prepare their photos for the obituary (before any official announcement of their supposed deaths was even made!).. then ?? Dunno. Exif Reader http://www.takenet.or.jp/~ryuuji/minisoft/exifread/english/download.html ‘Taking-a-picture-day’ (in the IPTC section) can be the day the photo was snapped, or the last time it was altered/edited. MAC |
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| MAC | Aug 28 2010, 11:20 AM Post #26 |
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seatnineb That was my first thought, seems too good to be true. But then, Capone was cocky.. until they got him with the income tax. He didn't see that coming! So who knows? Could it be built in whistleblowing even? A perp with a conscience.. now there's an oxyjob Assuming it can't all be explained by something else, that is. Will see. Peace. MAC |
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| shure | Aug 28 2010, 11:51 AM Post #27 |
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Scanning the photo into a computer would also affect the exif/iptc data. |
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| MAC | Aug 28 2010, 12:19 PM Post #28 |
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Good one. I thought the PC itself, too. Question then is.. why was Bingham's photo being scanned on 30-08-2001, or Lewin's and Rice's on 11-09-2001, with 'Attacks Victims' blurb in the IPTC? That info appeared somewhere between the photo's being taken and being in possession of CNN staff. MAC |
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| shure | Aug 28 2010, 01:00 PM Post #29 |
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MAC, Have you checked the many other pics of people listed on the CNN memorial? Is it only these 3 (Bingham, Lewin, Rice) you have a problem with? |
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| MAC | Aug 28 2010, 02:55 PM Post #30 |
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A few, at random, some don't have any IPTC data to view, which is a bit useless. It's the photos which have been deleted that allegedly have the IPTC anomalies, according to Mr Jayhan who says he copied many of them first.. he hasn't posted the rest anywhere that i can see though.. would be nice to see the rest, but unless they have a CNN link, or a web archive link to view the originals then they're not much use (someone can manipulate them afterwards, otherwise... not that i'm implying Jayhan would do that, but you can't verify them for yourself). Bingham - 30-08-2001 Lewin - 11-09-2001 Rice - 11-09-2001 Menchaca - 08-09-2001 Puopolo - 03-04-2001 the date alone is not so strange for Puopolo in terms of TAPD (imo), except that the date (as the last edit date) appears with the 'Attacks Victims' blurp. Tut.. i don't have a 'problem'... I think it's worth looking into.. you do not. That's fair enough. I'm not jumping to any conclusions. Your issues with Jayhan are not mine. Forget the messenger. If this turns out to be a dead end then that won't bother me in the least. I don't know who would have been the last to edit the photos (thus altering the IPTC data).. the sources that supplied them to CNN, or CNN.. or somebody inbetween? MAC |
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