shure

Jul 22 2010, 11:29 AM

Yes it seems the control issue is the "elephant in the room".

Dwain Deets basically said that Rob Balsamo is twisting information and misprepresenting the "impossible speed" issue, but who will ever know since Rob's article has already been posted all over the internet. Just more disinformation for people to spread around as the "truth".

dadeets

Jul 22 2010, 02:48 PM

First, Jeff did not inform me at any time, before or after, that he was recording the call. That is very unethical.

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On July 17, 2010 at 2:01 PM SHURE Dj <shure_dj@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dwain,

I have read the artice and listened to you're interview with Rob Balsamo on the plane speed of UA flight 175.

Having spent alot of time looking into the issue myself over the past few years, I was wondering if I could call and talk with you about this issue?

Sincerely,

Jeffrey Hill

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Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 00:30:42 +0200
From: dwain.deets@7problemswithbuilding7.info
To: shure_dj@hotmail.comSubject: Re: UA 175 Speed

SHURE

xxx-xxx-xxxx (gave me his phone number)

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On July 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM SHURE Dj <shure_dj@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hey,

Thank you very much, I wasn't expecting you to respond!

When would be a good time to call?

Would it be ok to record the call?

Thanks,
Jeff

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From: D.A. Deets (dwain.deets@7problemswithbuilding7.info)
Sent: July 18, 2010 7:23:12 PM
To: SHURE Dj (shure_dj@hotmail.com)

This afternoon sometime.

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Subject: A heads up...

Friday, June 18, 2010 12:40 AM
From:
"Pilots For Truth" <pilotsfortruth@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To:
"Jeff Latas", "Ralph Kolstad", "Ross F. Aimer", "Dwain Deets"


Hi Guys,

Just giving you a heads up that if you get a call from a guy named Jeff Hill, you are being recorded.

For those unfamiliar (and a bit of background), Jeff Hill is the Canadian who made the call for us to the NTSB regarding their data, back in 2006.

You can listen here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPF4Lo4wkJ4

As you can tell from the above call, he doesn't have any aero knowledge.

I asked him to make the call as we didn't have the resources at the time.

Long story short,

Jeff has since changed his position more rapidly than some people change their underwear. He has supported No Plane Theories... etc etc... spammed my Facebook page demanding we cover it... has been hostile... the list goes on...

Now that he has been made a fool regarding NPT, he is on the rampage to support the govt story.

He has attacked each of you (and me personally) on our forums claiming you are not the "professional you are cracked up to be" and that we are spreading disinformation in our presentations.

Starts here if you're interested.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10786814

I normally would not bother to give a heads up on such an idiot, but he is notorious for making harassing phone calls - recorded, and is pretty good at gathering contact information, even of those unlisted.

Just an FYI. Call me if you would like more details.

Hope you're all doing well.

Regards,
Rob

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20169&view=findpost&p=10786837

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Dwain: Its beyond the limits, that are kind of guaranteed limits, which means theres some degree of margin there and you could end up having a problem or not. So I'm not just going to come down and say flatly it can't fly at that speed, but I feel a much bigger challenge is for it to be controllable, flyable and particularly if its a inexperienced pilot and its a task that I think is very demanding.

At that speed the closure rate on the tower is going to be such that you got to be making precise corrections or you're going to miss it.

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Me: I've been through this whole impossible speed issue before and I find that its not so much the impossible speed, more of impossible maneuver of the plane by any type of pilot.

Dwain: Right, yeah.

Me: Like I said it sounds like you're on the same understanding of it as Rusty Aimer is where its not so much that the speed was totaly impossible to do, but more that its very highly unlikely or even impossible for any pilot and I would say probably 100% impossible for some amature pilots to do.

Dwain: Right, yeah, I agree with that.

Me: Rob does seem like he pushes it as impossible speed and you know

Dwain: It does, I mean I feel a little bit that he's taken the things that I've said and he's ephasized the speed part of the whole thing. He doesn't force me to say impossible speed, but he does ephasize that piece...

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Me: Dave called Rusty Aimer and he didn't so much think impossible speed as much as very unlikely maneuvers from a pilot

Dwain: Yeah

Me: Like I said, it seems the same with you and

Dwain: Right

dadeets

Jul 22 2010, 02:48 PM

Third, No, I didn't say Rob was twisting or misrepresenting what I said. I said, I believe, he was emphasizing the speed problem more than I was.