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Jeff,

Just as I featured you on my radio program in the past, I have done three shows with Mike Sparks about "the Pentagon witnesses". I suggest that you listen to our discussion before you continue to squander the good will I and others felt toward you in the past. You just don't know what you are talking about. Go to http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com and check them out.

Best wishes,
Jim

Jeff

 

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It is hard to believe that a guy like Jim Fetzer, with all his experience from the JFK day's, would keep falling for such speculative nonsense.
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Well, got through the first one. Do I even need to listen to the others? I guess I will.

Jim you taught Critical thinking? Sounds like you should have been teaching a class in wild unsubstantiated speculation!

Since when did someone's name disquaify them? Weird names they must be agents haha!

People that I talked to who saw the plane hit the Pentagon:

Penny Elgas: (Never said a piece fell into her sunroof)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/1757591/

Albert Hemphill: (had a front row seat to the event)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3369020/

Steve Storti:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3482275/

Donald Bouchoux:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3485511/

Robert Leonard:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3480236/

Dave Winslow: (Yes he does exist)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3555689/

Father Stephen McGraw:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3485532/

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other;

Lloyd England: (wife is a clearner at the FBI building)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3464077/

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other;

Stuart Artman: (Would have seen a flyover, but didn't)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3555998/


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Witness analysis:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3490445/

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3457944/


Who cares about the truth when "outrageous conspiracy theories" are much more interesting!

On to the second audio I go!

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I wonder why there are so many witnesses involved in the military? Oh yeah becasue it happened at the Pentagon DUH!

I wonder why so many journalists were witnesses? Uh maybe becasue they were in traffic and on the highway on their way to work at their nearby offices!

Significant that most of these witnesses were in vehicles on the highway?????

Second audio was a waste of time, other than getting a lead on Vin at "Casino City". Maybe he''ll go on the Real Deal haha! That will probably never happen knowing how Carmen Taylor was willing and ignored!

I wonder why Sparks hasn't tried to contact anyone. After all, I was able to get ahold of alot of Pentagon witnesses. I guess speculation is much more fun!

A few funny Spark's paraphrases;

He looks like a drinker so he could be compromised... that James Bond stuff

...I hate when those pilots use that knots thing

The dude helped him impale the lightpole into his cab...

...Women like firefighter's so you have to have hero's

Alan Wallace might have been put under hypnosis by the psychiatrist

Conversation with Alan Wallace:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3269928/

They could use magician tricks on us... you don't want you're audience to get behind the curtain to see the beautiful girl...

Jedi mindtricks maybe?

Scarlet... we had to have our vally girl in there so the punk rockers could relate!

Conversation with Henry Ticknor: (didn't see the impact)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3315804/

Conversation with Keith Wheelhouse:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3321073/


There are some witnesses that lied! William Lagasse is a good example proven by the CITGO video:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3490445/

Roosevelt Robert's the most powerful witness to flyover hahahahahaahahahaah!
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3475443/

Talk about cherry picking!

Push that CIT garbage!



Yes interesting for entertainment value, on to round three!

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One conclusion I came to is that Mike Sparks is neurotic!

Jim it sounds like you're falling alseep during this 3rd one!

I'm glad to hear you finally came to you're senses about Obama

Back to the issue of the Pentagon;

You got a plane see and you have the Pentagon and the people see the plane and the Pentagon in their vision and then the explosion A,B,C, plane (A) Pentagon (B) explosion (C)and there you have it! The people were decieved into thinking they saw the plane hit the Pentagon!!!

Remeber this:

The Effects of Witness

http://www.stanford.edu/~bailenso/papers/presence_lineup.pdf

Various details were different, but people saw a "confederate" take the wallet!

Various details were different, but people saw a plane hit the Pentagon!

I'm done!

Here is some ammunition for you're fantasy:

Conversation with Noel Sepulveda:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3340388/

Conversation with Lee Evey: (The guy who planted the bombs in the Pentagon)
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3340125/


Take care,
Jeff

ps; Don't forget to read through this thread, you might learn something:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/3490445/

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Jeff,

Check out my blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com for another version, but take a look at "What Didn't Happen at the Pentagon" and tell me how close or how far apart we are. I am no longer sure. There was a time when I though our views overlapped to a considerable extent. What you describe is a common fallacy known as the post hoc, propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this). A plane did fly toward the building and there was somekind of explosion and some did infer that the plane had hit the building. But it actually flew over it. Are we in agreement on this much, at least, which Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confimred?

Jim

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Reading the flight recorder from 77 the pentagon was flown over by about 300 feet. There was no plane crash at Shanksville. Planes cannot bury themselves in the ground. There were no planes at WTC. People were watching and photographing a hologram.

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Hi John,

Wouldn't a hologram look the same in all the videos?

Best,
"PegCarter"

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That's like asking if a unicorn would look the same in all videos. There are no unicorns, they are imaginary. As long as you're imaging them, imagine them to have whatever properties you wish.

There are no thin-air holograms, they are the product of the fertile imaginations of John Lear, and the kind folks at CNN. The airplane trick at the WTC was done with good ol' video compositing, as I have proven.

Sincerely,

Ace Baker

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Alleged eyewitness testimony trumps laws of physics? Baloney—no wreckage (only staged crap 48-72 hours later, that’s why they kept the smudge pots burning), impossible speeds at impossibly low altitudes, etc.

Perhaps people had best review Gerard Holmgren’s deconstruction of Pentagon witness statements: http://bogusstory.com/conflictingwitnesses.html

Jeff constructs a biased sample to “amp up” his preestablished conclusion, like all perp aiders and abettors do. Like the WTC events, one of the keys is the almost total lack of testimony of ear-drum-splitting decibels from a kamikaze airliner coming in at 500+ mph—ludicrous.

Also, review Jack White’s deconstruction of the staged photos by DoD here: www.911studies.com
and my interview with him: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=interview_jack_white He devastates the whole bogus airliner crash at the Pentagon, and you might pay particular attention to the street lamp fraud.

--Morgan (aka Rodney Dangerfield)

PS I agree with Ace about video compositing until my good friend John L. or anyone else can offer solid evidence for holograms, no contest until then, especially since the studies of witness testimony at WTC shows overwhelming lack of support for planes, e.g., Andrew Johnson’s site plus “The Original No Planers” at http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=original_no_planers Like my mistaken if interesting conjecture in 2006 about how they did the plane trick, http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=plane_trick_wtc2,
the perps were right about their shock and awe stunts: rely on media shills and their TV trickery plus traumatized anger and peer pressure to convince people that planes did crash. We know the evil doers did not do an airline fly over and “disappearance” tech stunt at the WTC if only because that thesis/article never excited the truthlings to attack it!? I’m not so sure about Shanksville given somewhat more reliable testimony there. In general, there appears little or no need to account for plane images in the air by ground witnesses because at worse, their collective testimony is a wash.

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While we’re on witnesses, the smell of cordite and shock waves were widely reported at the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11, impossible from a plane crash, and only caused by some kind of explosive: http://www.911review.org/Wiki/Flight77Witnesses.shtml

Plus we have the following jewels from that page:

Penny Elgas sits on the FDIC Advisory Committee on Banking Policy, alongside of Jean Baker,
who just happens to be the Chief of Staff at the Office of President George H.W. Bush.

(Father) Stephen McGraw is a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney reborn as an Opus Dei priest.

I'm not sure exactly who Meseidy Rodriguez is, but his name appears in legal filings
concerning Dick Cheney's top-secret energy policy meetings, which probably isn't a good sign.

Having established that, let's now take a look at who our group of mystery witnesses are
(or who they were at the time of the Pentagon attack):

Bob Dubill was the executive editor for USA Today.
Mary Ann Owens was a journalist for Gannett.
Richard Benedetto was a reporter for USA Today.
Christopher Munsey was a reporter for Navy Times.
Vin Narayanan was a reporter for USA Today.
Joel Sucherman was a multimedia editor for USA Today.
Mike Walter was a reporter for USA Today.
Steve Anderson was the director of communications for USA Today.
Fred Gaskins was the national editor for USA Today.
Mark Faram was a reporter for Navy Times.

Etc.

USA Today and the CIA are both headquartered in McLean VA, on their likely links (along with Popular Mechanics) see:
Remember Operation Mockingbird? Free press my ass:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html
More accurately, as Joe Keith puts it, “The media are the enforcement arm of the PTB.”
http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofPMstaff.htm
and so on...

USA Today is little more than a front operation for the CIA.

What? You didn’t know that the media were in bed with the gov’t and PTB? This is news? Lord love it.

--Morgan

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Thanks for telling it like it is, Morgan! Interesting about Elgas! That is new to me.

Jack

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That was a quote from that website page but they made an error: James Baker was GHWB chief of staff.

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OK, here’s the webpage with Elgas and Becker on the FDIC committee 2003:
http://www.fdic.gov/about/learn/advisorycommittee/minutes042203.html

Erica F. Cooper, Designated Federal Officer for the Committee and Deputy General Counsel of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, was also present at the meeting. Committee members Jean Becker, Chief of Staff, Office of President George H.W. Bush, Houston, Texas; and Andrew B. Craig, III, Retired Chairman, NationsBank Corporation (now Bank of America), were absent from the meeting.

John M. Reich, Vice Chairman of the Corporation's Board of Directors, and the following members of the Corporation's staff were present at the meeting: John F. Bovenzi, Steven O. App, John M. Brennan, Robert W. Russell, Jodey C. Arrington, C. K. Lee, Cynthia L. Keil, Andrew B. Stirling, William F. Kroener, III, Arleas Upton Kea, Arthur J. Murton, Frederick S. Selby, Mitchell L. Glassman, D. Michael Collins, Cottrell L. Webster, Robert E. Feldman, Alice C. Goodman, James Phillip Battey, Gaston L. Gianni, Jr., Vijay G. Deshpande, Scott M. Polakoff, Stanley R. Ivie, Sandra L. Thompson, John M. Lane, Donna J. Gambrell, Miguel D. Browne, Kathy L. Moe, Richard A. Brown, Joan S. van Berg, Catherine A. Wright, G. Penny Elgas, and Daniel T. Engen.

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Totally destroys any credibility of Elgas!

Jack

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funny how morgan reynolds believes witness testimony regarding the smell of "cordite", but not the many witnesses who watched the plane enter the building.

Chander

Jul 18 2010, 10:51 AM

"Witness" Neil Sepulveda also says he saw
77 with its landing gear down.

Question: Who is dumb enough to believe
that assertion by this teller of falsehoods?

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the mind plays tricks chander - memories can change in time.