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OMG that was hilarious. And it sounds exactly like Killtown during that interview!
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Alvin and the Chipmunks cover I'm Not Sick, But I'm Not Well by Lit
Lyrics: I had visions, I was in them I was looking into the mirror To see a little bit clearer The rottenness and evil in me
Fingertips have memories Mine can't forget the curves of your body And when I feel a bit naughty I run it up the flagpole and see who salutes (but no one ever does)
I'm not sick but I'm not well And I'm so hot cause I'm in hell
Been around the world and found That only stupid people are breeding The cretins cloning and feeding And I don't even own a tv
Put me in the hospital for nerves And then they had to commit me You told them all I was crazy They cut off my legs now I'm an amputee, goddamn you
I'm not sick but I'm not well And I'm so hot cause i'm in hell I'm not sick but I'm not well And it's a sin to live so well
I wanna publish zines And rage against machines I wanna pierce my tongue It doesn't hurt, it feels fine The trivial sublime I'd like to turn off time And kill my mind You kill my mind
Paranoia paranoia Everybody's coming to get me Just say you never met me Im running under ground with the moles (Diggin big holes)
Hear the voices in my head I swear to god it sounds like they're snoring But if you're bored then you're boring The agony and the irony, they're killing me
I'm not sick but I'm not well And I'm so hot cause I'm in hell I'm not sick but I'm not well And it's a sin to live so well
Can you organize a missing group such as “Photographers And Filmmakers For Nine Eleven Truth” (PAFFNET). Such group will keep alive the memories and the research on what did and what did not happen on 9/11.
So the plane didn't dive out of the sky at all? From what I read in your answers are you saying you saw the plane coming in from far away and it was already low and flying level?
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The plane...it did not dive...came in from low and level on the western horizon, my left...actually, a bit from the northwest. I have always said west, meaning my left, but northwest could be appropriate, too. i can't pinpoint it any better. tgc, C
Whoa...maybe Carmen might want to eloborate...
According to the footage...the plane came in from the south west....not the north west.
although there are several witnesses who claim it came in from the north...did a u turn and returned from the south.
Hello, Jeff, here’s an answer to these questions seatnineb sent about my location
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Whoa...maybe Carmen might want to eloborate...
According to the footage...the plane came in from the south west....not the north west.
although there are several witnesses who claim it came in from the north...did a u turn and returned from the south.
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I have to stick with west (possibly a bit northwest). My position was south southwest of the towers (with me looking north northeast) and I turned my head very slightly left (but not up) when I felt/heard engines and saw the speck which I assumed was a small police or news-reporting aircraft approaching. Its actions from that instant on led me to believe and plan for its straight approach to the towers. I kept the towers on the screen as I peripherally watched the plane move in. Had the plane not moved according to my assumptions or had it been erratic in its maneuvers, I probably wouldn’t have been able to follow it and also keep the camera positioned for the impending shot. If it came from southwest, I would have had to turn my head much more to the left and possibly even turn my shoulders to see in that direction. Also, there was a couple sitting to my left. I think Scandinavian, tall, blonde, good looking. He was next to me, near enough that we occasionally touched, and when she started to cry he held her close to his chest and shielded her vision with his hand. He said little words to her, not in English, but I could tell they were comforting, soft. The couple would have probably blocked any kind of good view to the southwest.
I think some of you have tried to pinpoint the docked position of the ferry and my precise location by drawing lines from my picture. If you can use that position and compass bearing, maybe you can determine where I would have been looking if I turned my head less than half way to my shoulder, i.e. a slight turn, and we’ll see if my memory is serving us well. Also, as to which ferry I was actually on, I am assuming it was the one normally used for the first group to the Statue of Liberty. My ticket was for the first tour and we were in the proper line; however, after the first hit, did they load us on the correct ferry? Did the captain or some group/person in authority see more than we saw and put us on the nearest ferry or one a little further away from the Towers to “get us out of danger”? We were easy to control and would probably have followed a strong, confident voice anywhere. As we boarded, nobody asked for tickets or told us where to go. If they did, I didn’t hear it.
I understand what your saying about your location. Here is a pic of the official flight path;
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Have seen the flight path. The “thick red line” may not accurately represent the last few miles…I don’t know.
What I'm very interested in is how you said it came in. To paraphrase your words you said it came in straight as far as you could see, so there was no power dive where it just dropped out of the air.
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Absolutely no power dive that I am aware of. Straight in, low, level straight.
I also talked to a guy that said he saw it fly by along the Jersy shore and he said it was already flying low at that point too.
You mentioned a few time you felt/heard the plane, but it doesn't sound like you clearly remember screaming jet engines of a 767 flying right over your head. That would be louder that standing in the front row of a rock concert. Something I would think would be unforgettable.
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I live on the Arkansas River—lots of barge traffic powered by tough little tugs. We’ll be in the house at night, watching TV, and can actually feel the droning of a couple of tugs working a double line of ten, fifteen barges. You feel it. Sometimes we’ll go outside, and by the time we’ve walked the 75 feet to the water’s edge, they’re already past the bend of the river and out of sight. Yes, I more felt it, maybe heard a deep, far-off drone, roar, but do not remember hearing jet engines. Our house is also on the flight path of the Air National Guard. Jets, low, loud, changing altitudes, banking, all sorts of speeds and actions. I did not hear those sounds. BUT DO REMEMBER, like a lot of people at that time or later, I was probably in some level of shock. Did my mind protect me then, or make me forget later, or was there no sound at all, or just “recorded” sound that not everybody was able to hear?
Also I was wondering, did most people on the ferry notice the plane before it hit the tower.
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I didn’t hear anybody say or scream “another plane is coming.”
In Hezarkhani's video nobody is really screaming or anything until the explosion.
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Perhaps most people thought that the terrible tragedy/accident had already happened. Again, shock. In our pre-9/11 minds, however, I don’t think most people were thinking “terrorists, attack, war” until the South Tower was hit. Prior to the second hit, it was an unbelievable accident. Most people were with loved ones, friends, family, etc. Think what you would be doing…perhaps calming your spouse, holding, hugging for support, crying, urging an older relative to “stay calm, don’t look”, hyperventilating, holding your hand to your mouth in disbelief of this horrible accident, thinking of the people hurt, killed, wondering if the rest of your group was still in the Tower, urging your wife to stand behind you or duck beneath the bench in case glass or something fell this far? What really are the odds that people who had people stood there carefully taking pictures? What about the people who think it morbid to take pictures of disasters? This said, who do you think took pictures?
Thats another reason why I would think it was quiet since it doesn sound like very many people were aware of the "plane" until it hit the tower. AS well as other people I talked to that said it was quiet.
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Yes, quiet. We were dazed, raw, and would probably have, and did, sit there until we were told to get off. Nobody really seemed to know what to do. tgc c
Carmen...your testimony of a north -west(west) approach is interesting....
these are the witnesses who claim 175 flew from the north..........did a u turn...and then came back:
At this point I was still under the impression that this was an accident and after watching and filming this other plane make a U turn and head back towards the towers nothing in the world could have prepared me for what would happen next. http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=58174&s ...
We were observing the evacuation when we actually saw the second plane come down, flying NORTH TO SOUTH, ACTUALLY TURN AROUND. And then we lost it momentarily behind the buildings, and then the next time we saw it, it was headed straight for the south tower http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0202/18/lt.17.html
being a few blocks away from the site, Ms. Russell said she saw the second plane fly by, turn around, then hit the other tower. She put her arms up to shield her face from flying glass shards, but her arms were cut, nonetheless. http://www.mywesttexas.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=5734620...
Looking at the World Trade Center burning (North Tower) from my companies building at about 9:00am, I see another aircraft going south. It was hard to get an altitude judgement from my view, but then the plane started turning left 180 degrees. I first though it was taking ariel shots, and again it's hard to get an altitude judgement with two hugh buildings in your view. The next thing I see is a plane headed straight for the (South Tower) corner of the building and then a big orange explosion http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/63697-post42.html
On September 1, my buddy and I went to NYC to work as Ironworkers. We got dispatched to work on a high-rise IN QUEENS. We stopped working for about twenty minutes as the first building burned wondering what we could do, when we saw the second plane come around the corner of the other tower. HE MADE A U-TURN and crashed into it right before our eyes. http://www.journalregister.com/towntalk/html/messages/4 ...
This does contradict the 911commission report's official trajectory:
Which shows fl175 doing this U turn.....but over 100 miles away from NYC.....so it would have been impossible for any eye-witness in NYC to see this uturn....
To seatnineb: I watch 175 come in straight. I’ve used the same hand motions that describe its movement since my first telling and I see it again and again in my minds eye exactly the same. Have tried to think and reason it into different positions, but I’m just not able to change that image in my head. Perhaps what I saw from my angle as banking into the building, which showed us the plane’s underbelly, looked different from other angles and levels of vision. Seen from the east looking west out of a tall building, could that movement be described differently…a sharp turn to the right…? I just don’t know. But I don’t think I could have made the picture if it had been moving as other people remember or saw from their angle. When I watch jets in the sky, sometimes if I start watching one when it appears on the horizon in front of me, it and it’s jet stream look like they’re going straight up like a rocket launching…but what is really happening is that its coming directly toward me…odd, optical illusions…I just don’t know.
and if the witnesses hadn't of been so horrified by a building exploding, they would have seen the plane they thought was approaching, leave the scene surprisingly intact
Yea, and the FlyBird was only mentioning McGuire AFB in NJ, not Stewart AFB just a 100 miles N. of the City...as a place of rendezvous as well (?)..So, these could've seen the air weapon from there do the short U-ey; the Decoy as the white elephant could POSSibly be meant to match paths with the 'weapon (drone) and fool radar by closing to 700 feet of each other. At least do the job of looking like a passenger jet (being larger than the air weapon).
Thanks Jeff + Carmen for response....and Genghis for making a good point...
@Carmen...
Did you see this plane?( i will call it "other plane" for simplicity:
this plane was flying above the wtc about 1-1/2 minutes after the 2nd hit:
It was captured by an anonymouse videographer
this same videographer also filmed the 2nd hit :
he/she then zooms out with his/her camera:
he/she then zooms in with camera to capture "other plane" hovering over the wtc:
he/she then zooms in again to get a close up of the "other plane":
by superimposing all this screenshots one on top of the other.....resizing and cropping them accordingly......you get an idea of how close that "Other plane" was in relation to the 2nd plane that hit the building......
Carmen....Any chance that you saw that "other plane"?
No, I didn’t. First time I’ve seen the picture. Assume it is headed west. Good reason I didn’t see it, don’t think I was looking for one. After my pix of 175, I was watching my camera as the recording message continued so that I could take the next shot, of the devil. After that, I truly don’t remember anything until I heard a man’s voice, saying something like “lady, lady, you’ve got to get off the boat.” Seems like he guided me back to the park. I was trying at that point to get close to a group of people. Sorry I can’t provide any more help.
Oops…the other plane is heading east according to the picture if the shooter is in the same location as for the rest of the sequence…or else there is something weird about the picture. In the shooter’s second frame, is that 175 to the left of the frame heading into the South Tower? The North Tower, which I presume the picture is intended to portray, is on the right smoking? Wrong. The wind was blowing all the smoke to the east, and in this picture I can’t get my bearing. Explain better where the shooter was, maybe I’m just confused. Happens.
To simplify: If the shooter is on the south half, the smoke should be going the other direction. If the shooter is on the north half, the plane should be on the other side. Does that sound logical?
tgc c
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Also, the smoke seems to be more horizontal than in my images. I looked back through mine, and most of them show the cloud going straighter up. Could be our angles. On the last frame, have you figured out what that building to the lower right is?
Correction Sorry, I meant the building to the left near the shooter—the white one with the smoke drifting over it. tgc, c
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Watched the explosion, but didn’t “see” the devil…just meant to describe that I was waiting to get the next shot possible, which turned out to be the “devil” picture. After I was back in Arkansas, my brother-in-law was the one who told me about the devil in the picture. I had never visualized it. My sister apologized to me, was afraid it would upset me further if I found out about it. A friend of mine told me the picture was beautiful, that she was so glad I had taken a picture of the angel, and it helped her to know that the people in the towers who died had an angel with them. She never could see the devil, and I can’t see the angel. tgc c
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