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Carmen Taylor Answers Questions
Topic Started: Apr 23 2009, 05:01 AM (14,325 Views)
shure
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Maybe David didn't see it for the same reason this guy didn't see it;

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seatnineb

Could be true bro....

Although that guy in the Fairbanks footage never looked up(until after the plane went inside)

2 years back i sent david handshuh an email .....I asked him specifically where he was looking at the moment the plane approached and hit...

He told me "I should have seen the plane but ...never did ....wierd"

I can PM the whole email to you to confirm it authenticity(and preserve my anonymity-LOL!! )
Edited by seatnineb, May 4 2009, 01:37 PM.
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shure
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That statement doesn't tell you where David was looking. Seems to me by David's picture, as soon as he heard a sound, the explosion, he looked up and took his picture.

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seatnineb

yo man...

just PMed you the whole thing....check it out...

Edited by seatnineb, May 17 2009, 04:58 AM.
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May 4 2009, 01:10 PM
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Jeff...thanks to Genesis 6199 for your concern. Interesting how that Killtown bunch takes information, adds 2+2 and gets 5.

tgc c


I think she meant genghis6199 ^_^
It's kind of her to give them as much credit as getting close to "5". More like they come up with some imaginary numbers...

"Katies" bunch has yet to learn you always get more flies with honey than vinegar. Unless of course they're alienating people on purpose.
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Jeff...David is a nice guy and I've always known him to be straightforward and honest. I would take his statement to mean he felt that as a photojournalist, he should have seen the plane so he could have documented it...opposed to it not existing. His words almost have a melancholy tone.

I met David and Gulnara in mid-2002 in Atlantic City and we have become close friends.The conference a few years ago seatnineb refers to was actually the 5-year 9/11 commemorative exhibit I had been working on for four years. A friend and fellow Rotarian agreed, after reading my file on the exhibit in February of 2006, that our local arts center didn't have the facilities to accommodate an exhibit of this scope. Before the day was over, The University of Arkansas Fort Smith had accepted the exhibit for September. This was the largest, most comprehensive exhibit in the nation.

As to David saying he never saw a plane and my statement that I didn't hear a plane, I don't know that there is any reconciliation. Maybe David thinks he missed the shot and wasn't able to document the events completely. I'll see if he wants to talk about it.

When I told my story to our local TV station on 9/11, I had not heard anybody else's version so I know I didn't let another account influence me. I didn't hear the first plane. Why is a very good question. I also didn't hear the second plane, felt it's vibrations, though. Also didn't hear the people around me, sirens, or other sounds which I know existed. A lot of people there were in shock and probably me, too. Maybe I did hear them, but afterward didn't remember hearing or I blocked out the sounds at the time. These are real options. People in shock don't process or remember reality the same.

Does shock change the immediate processing of reality during reality, or does shock change the memory of reality? Or both? I ask this often about this scene: I'm talking softly with the couple in Battery Park, the conversation is about their nephew whom they are visiting and she says he works up there, points to the North Tower, and I look up as she points. In "reality" could I have actually heard her voice over the screeching of a low-flying jet and the immediate crash almost directly over our heads? Was there no sound? or...in my brain's survival mode of shock, did shock erase the memory of the jet and explosion and allow me to remember only a conversation which I wasn't able to consciously hear during reality?

If planes really did hit the Towers, how many eye-witness accounts were tainted by shock?

If the planes were something other than "the official story," accounts are still tained by shock. The plane images would have been the result of a very good "theatrical" production, ie holograms, and the audience would have still been shocked by the realism of the situation.

If someone were planning a coverup of this magnitude, shock is their best shield. Witnesses can be truthful and could probably pass lie-detector tests, but their collective accounts are either jumbled and conflicting or they are easily led to rationalize and accept the official story as their own truthful account.

To think of this as a theatrical production, one needs to realize that the stage is gigantic and the house is even bigger. Do all seats offer equally visability? Not meaning another structure obscuring the line of vision, but perhaps the sun's reflection or glare or a shadow making the hologram disappear to a witness with an otherwise clear line of vision. Would portions of the audience who are facing east, into the sun, or west with the sun shining into the hologram see the hologram the same way? Are the acoustics true and tuned, with speakers set up in different areas to blast out jet noises?

Holograms or Flights 11 and 175...hard to believe, for me, either way. tgc,c


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Chander

Shock can definitely affect memory. For example, one time my girlfriend woke up and found a burglar in her house. As soon as she turned on the light he ran out the back door. She was still in a state of shock that evening when we went out and saw a movie from Iran. To this day she has no memory of anything about that movie, and still doesn't quite believe that we really saw it. And she usually remembers movies much better than I do.
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wow - excellent again
and she might try to talk to david hanschuh. also excellent!
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Jenny
May 5 2009, 02:34 AM
shure
May 4 2009, 01:10 PM
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Jeff...thanks to Genesis 6199 for your concern. Interesting how that Killtown bunch takes information, adds 2+2 and gets 5.

tgc c


I think she meant genghis6199 ^_^
It's kind of her to give them as much credit as getting close to "5". More like they come up with some imaginary numbers...

"Katies" bunch has yet to learn you always get more flies with honey than vinegar. Unless of course they're alienating people on purpose.
Indeed...they are attempting to alienate people on purpose at 911movement.org... they are now ACTIVELY attempting to trash their own legitimacy and THE REASON is because of what Rosalee(The WebFairy) states in my signature below...
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seatnineb

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May 5 2009, 12:58 PM
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Jeff...David is a nice guy and I've always known him to be straightforward and honest. I would take his statement to mean he felt that as a photojournalist, he should have seen the plane so he could have documented it...opposed to it not existing. His words almost have a melancholy tone.

I met David and Gulnara in mid-2002 in Atlantic City and we have become close friends.The conference a few years ago seatnineb refers to was actually the 5-year 9/11 commemorative exhibit I had been working on for four years. A friend and fellow Rotarian agreed, after reading my file on the exhibit in February of 2006, that our local arts center didn't have the facilities to accommodate an exhibit of this scope. Before the day was over, The University of Arkansas Fort Smith had accepted the exhibit for September. This was the largest, most comprehensive exhibit in the nation.

As to David saying he never saw a plane and my statement that I didn't hear a plane, I don't know that there is any reconciliation. Maybe David thinks he missed the shot and wasn't able to document the events completely. I'll see if he wants to talk about it.

When I told my story to our local TV station on 9/11, I had not heard anybody else's version so I know I didn't let another account influence me. I didn't hear the first plane. Why is a very good question. I also didn't hear the second plane, felt it's vibrations, though. Also didn't hear the people around me, sirens, or other sounds which I know existed. A lot of people there were in shock and probably me, too. Maybe I did hear them, but afterward didn't remember hearing or I blocked out the sounds at the time. These are real options. People in shock don't process or remember reality the same.

Does shock change the immediate processing of reality during reality, or does shock change the memory of reality? Or both? I ask this often about this scene: I'm talking softly with the couple in Battery Park, the conversation is about their nephew whom they are visiting and she says he works up there, points to the North Tower, and I look up as she points. In "reality" could I have actually heard her voice over the screeching of a low-flying jet and the immediate crash almost directly over our heads? Was there no sound? or...in my brain's survival mode of shock, did shock erase the memory of the jet and explosion and allow me to remember only a conversation which I wasn't able to consciously hear during reality?

If planes really did hit the Towers, how many eye-witness accounts were tainted by shock?

If the planes were something other than "the official story," accounts are still tained by shock. The plane images would have been the result of a very good "theatrical" production, ie holograms, and the audience would have still been shocked by the realism of the situation.

If someone were planning a coverup of this magnitude, shock is their best shield. Witnesses can be truthful and could probably pass lie-detector tests, but their collective accounts are either jumbled and conflicting or they are easily led to rationalize and accept the official story as their own truthful account.

To think of this as a theatrical production, one needs to realize that the stage is gigantic and the house is even bigger. Do all seats offer equally visability? Not meaning another structure obscuring the line of vision, but perhaps the sun's reflection or glare or a shadow making the hologram disappear to a witness with an otherwise clear line of vision. Would portions of the audience who are facing east, into the sun, or west with the sun shining into the hologram see the hologram the same way? Are the acoustics true and tuned, with speakers set up in different areas to blast out jet noises?

Holograms or Flights 11 and 175...hard to believe, for me, either way. tgc,c



thanks Jeff for posting Carmen's thoughts....

Handshuh is not the only fotographer who did not see the plane.

there is also michael castellano

Although from our angle we could not see the actual impact, AND DID NOT KNOW A SECOND PLANE HAD STRUCK and NEVER SAW IT AS IT APPROACHED
http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1403828&forward=viewportfolio




and here is the msnbc video shot by a still unknown videographer showing what castellano should have seen...

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Castellano told me in a email that he was not looking in the right place.......but given the panorama .....i still doubt he could have missed the plane..


Edited by seatnineb, May 5 2009, 03:02 PM.
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chrisbornag

If I remember correctly, Carmen Taylor was one of the few that really wanted the 9/11 history to be kept alive and not to be lost on time. By answering questions here, she indeed is keeping the memory of 9/11 alive. Thanks, Carmen!
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genghis6199

she's an amazingly clear woman.
she seems to completely undertsand the issues,
and treats them with respect, knowing the answers are important.

bless the woman.
all these years of anonymous accusations,
and she still has a few minutes to give us her best.

we should have handled it like this from the start.

killtowns method of putting peoples faces on dart boards
and posting their addresses had much less effect for some reason.
and it sorta cuts out the possibility of follow up questions ;)

thanks carmen. your accounts are very helpful.
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USA911

Like Chris and Ghengis, I want to thank you also, Carmen. Thanks for helping me to rethink this whole thing over again.

I walked away from September Clues about 6 months ago believing that everyone who said they saw an airplane on 9/11 was either a perpetrator, or a liar or deluded. In the excitement of my NPT epiphany of knowing that the video crashes were not real based on the fundamental laws of physics and common sense, I was a prime candidate to blindly accept this unproven proposition about all of the 9/11 eyewitnesses; a proposition which is at the heart of September Clues and implied throughout the film, but, of course, never close to being proven by it.

Thanks so much for continuing to dialog with us, Carmen. With your continued assistance in this matter, I believe we'll get much closer to the truth of September 11th.

Edited by USA911, May 5 2009, 11:26 PM.
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Scotter

Thanks Carmen
For coming out of the Lurkiness
to clear my blind attempts in
checking out your husband
And sharing some of your facts with us
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Edited by Scotter, May 5 2009, 11:43 PM.
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genghis6199

hey here's a crazy thought.

if the perps knew the videographers were gonna have strange stories

eg. "there was two planes there" "it was like a bad special effect"
"it came from north west" " it came low and silent up the hudson"
"it flew around new jersey"
"it was deafening" "it was silent"

do you think they might go on-line and try to ruin the reputation of
the videographers pre-emptively?. would it not create a divide between us and our best resource?.

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