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Topic Started: Apr 23 2009, 05:01 AM (14,293 Views)
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#reserved for my 100 words# ...
so you dont think we are ignoring you.
;) tgc.
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YougeneDebs
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Hi Carmen~

Please don’t think I’m being flip, but the four most important words I have learned during my research in the Rabbit Hole are these: Do your own research.

That’s about all I got; sorry it’s not 100 words.
Be Well,
Debs
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Matt
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After reading some writing of mine from October 2001, I only come back with a report on fear. My writing took the form of a self-published 'zine with art, poetry, and a couple funny reports. I lived in a small town.

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[TOWN] HEADLINE:

MAN OF ARABIC DESCENT REPORTED SEEN IN WAL-MART,
withdrawing cash from the ATM in numerous transactions.
Supposedly, the man rolled up the money and put it in canisters
before leaving the store.
Just before the 9/11 attacks, similar withdrawals took place in
multiple Wal-Marts.
Eyewitness "Miss Greene," after watching intently and
notifying a busy and disinterested employee, told her family and
planned to call America's Most Wanted. "Miss Greene" was sure she
remembered seeing the same "Arabic" face on the TV show recently....


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ANTHRAX PARANOIA: WORD OF MOUTH #3 AND 4

"SPILL" IN A LOCAL GROCERY STORE CAUSES A SCARE
and a refund offer to those who may have purchased products on the
possibly "infected" aisle. Sources confirm evidence of paranoia.
A sign in front of warning tape was reported to have said
something to the effect of, "If you want Halloween candy, go to the
front counter."


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A LOCAL RETAIL STORE shipping/receiving
employee, who trusted an Arabic coworker in visual/display, gave
him the keys to the roof because the air conditioning crew needed
access. Later, a phone call confirmed that no air conditioning crew
was scheduled for the day of the key borrowing.
Feeling nosy and paranoid, s/he looked through files of
shipped-to history, since the suspect often sent and received packages
for the store. The witness came across an address in Florida on
multiple occasions dating back months-- the same? of a known 9/11
suspect-- a hotel.
In addition, the witness's coworker had the week of 9/11 off
for vacation.
The witness planned to contact authorities as the increasingly
"disgruntled" suspect is still employed....


Yes, people I knew really told me these things.


Here's a bit from a different section of the 'zine:

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Posted Image WHAT WILL HAPPEN:

NEW TARGETS spread to Iraq as the "military front" grows. Saddam Insane directly linked to production of weaponized disease (and the 9/11 attacks).

ANTHRAX the word gets annoying, along with bin Satan's real name. Saying things are annoying gets annoying.

MORE DISTURBING vandalism of security in America causes psychological problems, especially including hypochondria.

...

AIRPORT SECURITY TIGHTENS, naturally, and only a handbag is allowed on board. Some fear a totalitarian state or martial law, perhaps the suspension of the Constitution and a New World Order. Others fear those people.


From the back cover, an image with text that circulated at the time:

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heidimarie

Hi...thanks for the start. Doesn't have to be 100 words, just not more--enough to show how we are different, or the same, as we were then and now...

Would like to be able to use your words to help high school students get a glimpse of what real people thought, felt, wrote then and now...and Debs, you are so right, people should research and learn for themselves, not let others spoon-feed them. This is another reason our then vs now comments are relative.

Thanks, everybody. tgc c
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beatprophet


September 11th 2001 was just another day in my working week. I had taken the bus
to around a mile from where I work. I decided to get a taxi the rest of my journey. It was
1.59pm [ 8.59 new york ] british time and as soon as I sat in the passanger seat I knew something was wrong.

The radio was on loud and it was a news broadcast on radio 1, a channel reserved mostly for
the latest chart hits. The driver told me that a plane had hit a building in New York and that
it was thought to be a small plane and an accident.

Then the second plane hit and it was clear it was no accident.

At work the radio was on and me and my fellow workers stood around the radio all afternoon.
We were all a little nervy as it seemed like the end of the world. You could just feel the sense
that the world was never going to be the same again. I remember reports of devices all around New York in vans and a possible bomb in London and multiple hijacked aircraft all accross America.

The world will never be the same as it was before September 11th. I hope justice can be found for all people involved with that day. Peace.

Beat

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A Storm is Coming

Carmen
On Sept 11 2001, I was to be sentenced for crimes I did not commit due to the perjury of FBI agent Robert G Schmitz.
Employees of a Large Int'l corporation had tried to murder me, the Federal Gov't backed the Corporation and the U.S. Postal service had opened my legal mail to the Dept of Justice which could have gotton some other people murdered!

I was Sooooo happy to see the American Icon of big business, the Federal Govt and the Postal service attacked for their crimes on the very day they were going to sentence ME for their crimes.

It really made my day!

What goes around, comes around!

Robert H. Poirier
Maplewood, MN
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A Storm is Coming

P.S.
go to google and type: Wiki Youssef Hmimssa
You will see my account of what happened in prison or read YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH by Witness on this Forum to get the full account of what happened leading up to 911

Thanks
Robert H Poirier
Maplewood, MN
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shure
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Link to You Can't Handle The Truth by Robert H. Poirier:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/793879/




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Quantumflux432

Here's a picture taken on Aug 26, 2001.

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It shows the boats.
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Quantumflux432
Jun 11 2010, 10:09 AM
Here's a picture taken on Aug 26, 2001.
It shows the boats.
Nice to have a picture with a date.
I am modeling this for X-Plane and I want to have it the way it was
before the event. This helps for accuracy.
I have my model of the ferry boat, the Miss Liberty up on x-plane.org
for downloading, along with a model of Liberty Island.
I was there, once, I should have known, in case anyone wonders,
and took the tour from Battery Park to the Island, on one of these.
Edited by jmdewey60, Jun 21 2010, 04:05 PM.
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prishep



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http://www.flickr.com/photos/martinstabe/241037051/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/martinstabe/241037051/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Comparison.
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seatnineb

Thanks for that prishep

That is one of the few pre-9/11 fotos which features the ritz carlton hotel:

Jenneifer Oberstein said that 175 nearly hit it.......but as you can see from this copy and paste I have done(superimposing Carmen Taylor's foto).......even with the difference in perspectives......Flight 175 was never in danger of hitting the ritz....

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Now maybe Oberstein was in shock...or her angle from the street made it appear as if 175 would have hit the ritz....or maybe she is talking complete bollocks......something I personally would no longer rule out
Edited by seatnineb, Sep 26 2010, 08:42 AM.
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Quantumflux432

I think Jenneifer Oberstein was somewhere at Battery Pl and West Street, right at the sidewalk next to battery park and Pier A. Look at the Dec 2002 map on google earth, before they renovated the entire area, and put a placemark at


Lat 40°42'17.17"N

Lon 74° 1'1.93"W



From her angle it seems like the plane hitted the hotel but really the plane wasn't even near the hotel.
Edited by Quantumflux432, Oct 28 2010, 10:43 AM.
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YougeneDebs
Aug 15 2009, 07:08 AM
heidimarie
Aug 13 2009, 11:43 PM
Jeff...thanks for posting. That is me in the reflection.

#18 plane was taken at 3:09:38 and this bus picture (#7) was taken at 2:35:18...much too late right now for me to figure out how many minutes it was before 3:09:38. Somebody help me out...

tgc c
Carmen~
I put some information into a Word doc; will this help?

Legend: CT = Camera Time; EDT = Eastern Daylight Time; TE = Time Elapsed from previous shot; vrt = video run time in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTW3mBAs5l8;
Point of perspective: BP = Battery Park, a grassy area; F#4 = Ferry at Station #4; CPA = City Pier A, near Clinton Castle:

#2 ?? CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt n/a

#3 ?? CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:07
Looking east along W 42nd St near 8th Ave, the Chevys shot

#4 ??CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:11
Times Square from Broadway between W 45th St and W 44th st

#5 ??CT, ?? EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:15
Bus approaching the intersection of W 42nd St and the West Side Hwy

#6 ?? CT, ?? EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:19
View is to the northwest, the USS Intrepid in the middle ground, Carmen’s bus is turning onto the West Side Hwy southbound from W 42nd St.

#7 2:35:18 CT, 8:28:34 EDT, vrt 0:23
On a bus, West Side Hwy at Gansevoort St, southbound

#8 2:53:30 CT, 8:46:46 EDT, TE = 18:12, vrt 0:27,
BP, Towers, just after wtc1 impact

#9 2:53:34 CT, 8:46:50 EDT, TE = 00:04; vrt 0:31;
BP, Towers, smoke rising

#10 2:53:40 CT, 8:46:56 EDT, TE = 00:06; missing;
BP,
#11 2:53:52 CT, 8:47:08 EDT, TE = 00:12; vrt 0:35;
BP, Towers, smoke higher

#12 2:54:14 CT; 8:47:30 EDT; TE = 00:22; vrt 0:39;
BP, zoomed in on wtc1 fire

#13 2:55:04 CT, 8:48:20 EDT, TE = 00:50; vrt 0:43;
BP, grassy area, see 19 Rector St!

#14 2:56:40 CT, 8:49:56 EDT, TE = 01:36; vrt n/a; missing

[With 09:36 between #14 and #15, this could be when Carmen left the BP grassy area and boarded the ferry at Ferry Station #4 – Debs]

#15 3:06:16 CT, 8:59:32 EDT, TE = 09:36; vrt n/a; missing

#16 3:06:42 CT, 8:59:58 EDT, TE = 00:26; vrt 0:47;
F#4, wide shot, 19 Rector mostly hidden by trees;

#17 3:07:12 CT, 9:00:28 EDT, TE = 00:30; vrt 0:51;
F#4; part zoom on wtc1;

#18 3:09:38 CT, 9:02:54 EDT, TE = 02:26; vrt 0:55;
F#4, famous plane shot;

#19 3:09:44 CT, 9:03:00 EDT, TE = 00:06, vrt 0:59;
F#4, “Today Our Nation Saw Evil” – Carmen Taylor;

#20 3:09:50 CT, 9:03:06 EDT, TE = 00:06, vrt 1:03
F#4, wide shot, similar to #16;

#21 3:09:56 CT, 9:03:12 EDT, TE = 00:06, vrt 1:07;
F#4, part zoom, smoke chaos [elephant in lower right?];

#22 3:10:12 CT, 9:03:28 EDT, TE = 00:16, vrt 1:11;
F#4, portrait framing with mushroom;

#23 3:10:58 CT, 9:04:14 EDT, TE = 00:46, vrt 1:15;
F#4, Hole in WTC2 visible;

#24 3:14:12 CT, 9:07:28 EDT, TE = 03:14, vrt 1:19;
F#4, more zoom, [elephants on the right?]

#25 3:15:44 CT, 9:09:00 EDT, TE = 01:32, vrt 1:23
F#4, Statue of Liberty, “I took that shot to be doing something completely opposite. Had to turn around and get something other than what I had been looking at.” http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=457085&t=1546649

[With 06:52 between #25 and #26, this could be when Carmen left the ferry and went to the City Pier A area: “…I heard a man’s voice, saying something like “lady, lady, you’ve got to get off the boat.” Seems like he guided me back to the park. I was trying at that point to get close to a group of people…” from this post:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=357422&t=1546649 Debs]

#26 3:22:36 CT, 9:15:52 EDT, TE = 06:52, vrt 1:27
CPA, West Side Hwy view of Towers

#27 3:22:54 CT, 9:16:10 EDT, TE = 00:18, vrt 1:31
CPA, zoomed wtc2 hole

#28 3:23:02 CT, 9:16:18 EDT, TE = 00:08, vrt 1:36
CPA, zoom in on the south face of WTC1

[With 15:00 between #28 and #29, this could be when Carmen went to the BP grassy area again]

#29 3:38:02 CT, 9:31:18 EDT, TE = 15:00, vrt 1:39
BP, almost the same spot as earlier (pic#8 etc), just a few steps southward.

Some information is missing; I couldn’t find it in the thread; sorry.
Just trying to help,
Debs
Hi, Carmen~
I'm putting the finishing touches on a video and I would really like to have the 'date-time-stamps' of pictures #2 thru #6.

Could you please post those?

Thanks in advance,
Debs
Edited by YougeneDebs, Jan 9 2011, 12:33 AM.
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Debs, am trying to reply. must have lost my touch. think the times are in the thread toward the front. will try to find myself. tgc
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