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Topic Started: Apr 23 2009, 05:01 AM (14,300 Views)
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Thanks for the pic Carmen, I guess this would have been taken on the bus early before either tower was hit???
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heidimarie

Debs...

No feeling of the plane arriving too soon. I was watching it and had the feeling which I’ve described in one of my original essay’s “…I mechanically tracked the airplane with my peripheral vision and centered my attention on the viewfinder as the plane traveled its low, precise course which lined up perfectly with the South Tower of the World Trade Center.” It was almost rhythmic, dependable in the way it happened—which is ultimately exactly what allowed me to be able to take the picture. The plane did what I thought it would do when I thought it would do it.

This is also difficult for me to understand. I could not have set up for and taken the picture of 175 if it had flown into the tower from behind me and over my head.

After taking picture #17, there was a lapse of 2 minutes and 26 seconds (from 3:07:12 to 3:09:38) until I took #18 (the plane). That doesn’t mean I was immediately aware of the plane right after 3:07:12, just that it was sometime after that when I “felt/heard” 175 and began thinking about and setting up the shot.

Hope this helps. TGC C
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heidimarie

Jeff...thanks for posting. That is me in the reflection.

#18 plane was taken at 3:09:38 and this bus picture (#7) was taken at 2:35:18...much too late right now for me to figure out how many minutes it was before 3:09:38. Somebody help me out...

tgc c
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Carmen, Thanks for anwering my questions. You're a real trooper!

Jeff, Thanks for posting that bus pic.


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heidimarie
Aug 13 2009, 11:43 PM
Jeff...thanks for posting. That is me in the reflection.

#18 plane was taken at 3:09:38 and this bus picture (#7) was taken at 2:35:18...much too late right now for me to figure out how many minutes it was before 3:09:38. Somebody help me out...

tgc c
Carmen~
I put some information into a Word doc; will this help?

Legend: CT = Camera Time; EDT = Eastern Daylight Time; TE = Time Elapsed from previous shot; vrt = video run time in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTW3mBAs5l8;
Point of perspective: BP = Battery Park, a grassy area; F#4 = Ferry at Station #4; CPA = City Pier A, near Clinton Castle:

#2 ?? CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt n/a

#3 ?? CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:07
Looking east along W 42nd St near 8th Ave, the Chevys shot

#4 ??CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:11
Times Square from Broadway between W 45th St and W 44th st

#5 ??CT, ?? EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:15
Bus approaching the intersection of W 42nd St and the West Side Hwy

#6 ?? CT, ?? EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:19
View is to the northwest, the USS Intrepid in the middle ground, Carmen’s bus is turning onto the West Side Hwy southbound from W 42nd St.

#7 2:35:18 CT, 8:28:34 EDT, vrt 0:23
On a bus, West Side Hwy at Gansevoort St, southbound

#8 2:53:30 CT, 8:46:46 EDT, TE = 18:12, vrt 0:27,
BP, Towers, just after wtc1 impact

#9 2:53:34 CT, 8:46:50 EDT, TE = 00:04; vrt 0:31;
BP, Towers, smoke rising

#10 2:53:40 CT, 8:46:56 EDT, TE = 00:06; missing;
BP,
#11 2:53:52 CT, 8:47:08 EDT, TE = 00:12; vrt 0:35;
BP, Towers, smoke higher

#12 2:54:14 CT; 8:47:30 EDT; TE = 00:22; vrt 0:39;
BP, zoomed in on wtc1 fire

#13 2:55:04 CT, 8:48:20 EDT, TE = 00:50; vrt 0:43;
BP, grassy area, see 19 Rector St!

#14 2:56:40 CT, 8:49:56 EDT, TE = 01:36; vrt n/a; missing

[With 09:36 between #14 and #15, this could be when Carmen left the BP grassy area and boarded the ferry at Ferry Station #4 – Debs]

#15 3:06:16 CT, 8:59:32 EDT, TE = 09:36; vrt n/a; missing

#16 3:06:42 CT, 8:59:58 EDT, TE = 00:26; vrt 0:47;
F#4, wide shot, 19 Rector mostly hidden by trees;

#17 3:07:12 CT, 9:00:28 EDT, TE = 00:30; vrt 0:51;
F#4; part zoom on wtc1;

#18 3:09:38 CT, 9:02:54 EDT, TE = 02:26; vrt 0:55;
F#4, famous plane shot;

#19 3:09:44 CT, 9:03:00 EDT, TE = 00:06, vrt 0:59;
F#4, “Today Our Nation Saw Evil” – Carmen Taylor;

#20 3:09:50 CT, 9:03:06 EDT, TE = 00:06, vrt 1:03
F#4, wide shot, similar to #16;

#21 3:09:56 CT, 9:03:12 EDT, TE = 00:06, vrt 1:07;
F#4, part zoom, smoke chaos [elephant in lower right?];

#22 3:10:12 CT, 9:03:28 EDT, TE = 00:16, vrt 1:11;
F#4, portrait framing with mushroom;

#23 3:10:58 CT, 9:04:14 EDT, TE = 00:46, vrt 1:15;
F#4, Hole in WTC2 visible;

#24 3:14:12 CT, 9:07:28 EDT, TE = 03:14, vrt 1:19;
F#4, more zoom, [elephants on the right?]

#25 3:15:44 CT, 9:09:00 EDT, TE = 01:32, vrt 1:23
F#4, Statue of Liberty, “I took that shot to be doing something completely opposite. Had to turn around and get something other than what I had been looking at.” http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=457085&t=1546649

[With 06:52 between #25 and #26, this could be when Carmen left the ferry and went to the City Pier A area: “…I heard a man’s voice, saying something like “lady, lady, you’ve got to get off the boat.” Seems like he guided me back to the park. I was trying at that point to get close to a group of people…” from this post:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=357422&t=1546649 Debs]

#26 3:22:36 CT, 9:15:52 EDT, TE = 06:52, vrt 1:27
CPA, West Side Hwy view of Towers

#27 3:22:54 CT, 9:16:10 EDT, TE = 00:18, vrt 1:31
CPA, zoomed wtc2 hole

#28 3:23:02 CT, 9:16:18 EDT, TE = 00:08, vrt 1:36
CPA, zoom in on the south face of WTC1

[With 15:00 between #28 and #29, this could be when Carmen went to the BP grassy area again]

#29 3:38:02 CT, 9:31:18 EDT, TE = 15:00, vrt 1:39
BP, almost the same spot as earlier (pic#8 etc), just a few steps southward.

Some information is missing; I couldn’t find it in the thread; sorry.
Just trying to help,
Debs
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heidimarie

Thanks, Debs...on my way to work, no time now...will look later. as to time between 28 and 29, you said I "went to BP area again." Did not leave and go back during this time frame. Was probably showing pictures to people or just didn't take pictures for a while. When I left with Doug, we went directly to his office and it was quite a while before we returned to board a ferry and go to Jersey City.

Got to go....

Thanks again for your work. See ya.

TGC C
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heidimarie

Jeff, if this is not where you want this, go ahead and move it. Thanks

The end of July I decided to do some research on nano-thermites and had to start where everybody here has probably been. I’m posting this just in case somebody else is as far behind as I am.

On July 29 I sent this e-mail to Implosionworld.com regarding the paper they wrote. As near as I can determine, Implosionworld is well-respected and not a government agency. I think they were straightforward with their answers, although the first one was their “general” answer, but it did give me the impression they would continue in a fact-based manner.

Brent Blanchard

Hello. My name is Carmen Taylor, and I took the photo of UA 175 a split second before it hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center.

I have just read your paper A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT and found it very interesting. It also left me with questions.

One of my projects since 9/11 has been presenting programs about 9/11 to schools, and in the past few years there have been many more questions regarding “conspiracy theories.” I try to stay aware of these ideas, but last year I became involved with one of these conspiracy websites after being caught off guard with a seemingly harmless phone call. I was invited to join their group and discovered that there are many people trying to find out what happened. I answer their questions truthfully and hope this provides useful tools.

In this light, I would like to ask you some questions about the collapse. Perhaps there are some updates since 2006 and perhaps I can ask questions from different directions.

www.pumpitout.com

This is Jeff Hill’s site and, yes, it can get a bit off-base and wild—but it may take a group like this to help find the right answers.

Thank you very much, and

Take good care, Carmen Taylor


They responded on 8-3-09 with what is probably their standard answer:


Thank you for visiting and writing us at www.implosionworld.com.

The attacks of 9/11 continue to evoke deep emotions with many people, and we appreciate the overwhelming feedback received in relation to our report. Please know that we read every email, and wish we could staff enough people to personally respond to everyone.

If your inquiry involves a request to publish or link to our copyrighted report, the answer is "yes", so long as you email us a link and include the entire report (to ensure proper context). Many professional organizations and educational institutions have already done so, and we encourage the promotion of accurate information at every opportunity.

To our friends who disagree with our analysis, we hear you too. We understand and accept that there will always be a segment of people who are skeptical of things they don't fully understand or do not come with easy answers. We also understand our report will probably not change your mind about an "explosive conspiracy", but respect your opinion nonetheless. You are a vital part of what makes America great.

And finally: Longtime visitors to implosionworld know how reluctant we are to recommend outside websites, however we suggest you take a moment to visit www.debunking911.com and www.911myths.com. These independent portals (each with no affiliation to implosionworld.com) offer well reasoned, accurate information that explores this subject in far more detail than our report. They also examine many questions and rumors regarding 9/11 that do not relate to explosive demolition assertions.

Thanks again for writing us, and keep "Questioning everything...in a responsible and factually accurate manner".

Best regards,
The Implosionworld team


I then asked the following question without attempting to lead them to any particular answer:

Another photojournalist, a friend of mine, Allan Tannenbaum, is doing much good work bringing attention to the medical conditions of people who worked Ground Zero immediately after the attack and for months to follow. These serious health issues seemingly brought about by contaminates they breathed, are hard for me to understand. I wouldn’t think employees from professional implosion and clean-up businesses are suffering in the same manner.

Why the difference in the effects of exposure to dust from a planned implosion versus the WTC site?

Here is a direct link to Allan’s website: http://www.sohoblues.com/9-11-Still-Killing.html

If you can provide me any information relative to this issue I will be very grateful. I am not a conspiracy theorist, and have continued to dialogue with Pumpitout for only one reason: To answer truthfully.


Implosionworld responded 8-4-09

one obvious answer is blast sites are always very clean prior to demo....no asbestos, lead paint, no active pipes, sewage or utilities....no possibility of stockpiled toxic items like gas, oil, cleaning agents, etc inside the bldg.

My response and next question 8-4-09

Thank you. Thought this was probably the answer, but wanted something from an expert. What about glass…windows, etc?

Their response 8-4-09

yes, same thing. but they should'nt cause health problems other than stepping on it-



I responded with another question 8-7-09

Again, thank you. Would like to ask two questions….

Some medical reports pertaining to lung and bronchial problems of first responders and workers indicate pulverized glass was among the particles found in those areas. Would this be odd or expected? Any ideas?

Also, any update on the trace amounts of nano-thermite which showed up?

Implosionworld response of 8-12-09

hi, both assertions are outside of our area of expertise. only comment would be that nano-thermite, if it truly existed on beams, could be related to a variety of causes or activities unrelated to the collapse. to our knowledge no beam was tested for n/t while on site, only after cutting, and removal, and shipping, and storage in a yard or warehouse, and further shipping to testing site...traces of almost any chemical could be found on those beams by then...

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tgc Carmen
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Do you have those videos with an English voiceover or a translation?
I'd love to know exactly what he's saying.



achimspok
Aug 13 2009, 04:59 PM
DrBabs
Aug 10 2009, 07:16 PM
Excess heat would have burned the people on the street
who lived through the dust cloud.
Yes, that's right - what ever the source was - but there was ...

a lot of heat...
and more heat...
and burnt people in the dust.

Read the Task Force Interview of EMT Patricia Ondrovic.

I watched those videos and thought they were very
good.

Please note I didn't say there was no heat. That would
be absolute zero. I said there wasn't excess heat.

By this, I mean specifically that the dust cloud was
not a pyroclastic flow. It was pyroclastic-like, but it
wasn't as hot as the pyroclastic flow from a volcano.

Example: Mount Vesuvius explodes and the people
don't die from the ashes. They die from the pyroclastic
flow. It seared their lungs, and they died burnt to a
crisp, crawling on the ground (which was much higher
than street level due to the rain of debris and ash).

Haven't you seen those pictures of how those people
died? A pyroclastic flow from the volcano killed them.
The flow from the WTC was nothing like this hot.
You didn't find corpses like this littered all over the
place.

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See this guy? He's propping himself up on his elbows,
gasping his last breath, because the pyroclastic flow
washed over him. It was hot.

Compare this to the dust cloud survivors. Reports were
that they survived it. They didn't get burnt to a crisp
as the dust cloud passed over them.

Second point: The rescue workers crawled all over and
directly on top of all the areas of Ground Zero, which
fumed for five months until they removed the last of
the debris. It wasn't hot five months into the thing,
but it was still fuming. It wasn't hot two days into the
thing because you can see fire fighters digging through
the rubble. But the fumes were there.

Patricia's Testimony:

"As I was running, parked cars were blowing up and some were on fire, the street was cracking a bit as well. "

Yeah, what caused those parked cars to blow up?
I'm curious. Despite what Hollywood tells you, it's
not that easy to blow up a car. Cars don't automatically
blow up when they crash. They're engineered to avoid
blowing up, actually.

So why did the cars blow up? What physical force did this?
Nukes? Thermite planted in the building? I'm trying to
think of what the major theories say about the blown up
cars. How do these theories explain it?

Edited by DrBabs, Aug 17 2009, 08:59 AM.
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Carmen~

You have been a really great help!

Is there anything I can do for you?

Debs
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thanks, debs...when Jeff posts some of the pictures and sketches, I'll be interestd to hear your responses. You're very insightful. tgc c
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Aug 17 2009, 05:11 PM
thanks, debs...when Jeff posts some of the pictures and sketches, I'll be interestd to hear your responses. You're very insightful. tgc c
How 'bout it, Jeff!

The lady wants to see her pictures here! Don't forget the sketches, either! ;)


Once I get all the pictures together and sorted out, I can put together a video! I'll start working on the storyboard, now!

Thanks,

Debs
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This is the direction I was looking when I first saw the plane. I then turned my head back to the camera screen and then tracked the plane by just shifting my eyes, trying to watch both the screen (so I wouldn’t shake and lose the Towers from the screen) and the plane so I’d know when to press the shutter. When the plane hit, I was looking straight at the Towers, watching both the real image and the screen image.

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This is how I remember when I took the picture. There were probably people sitting next to the ones on my right and left, but I remember nothing about them.

We were sitting on some kind of metal “seat.” The back came up to about my shoulders. The curve of the end of the ferry may not have been has sharp as I remember, ie, a little wider U shape than I have drawn.

Also, you have the ferry at the dock, just turn it around. Think Spok and I were having language mis-communication. Isn’t his work great.

Thanks.

TGC C


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Jeff....

Remove the dock. It didn't exist on 9-11.
Reposition the ferry to a position between where the two are currently setting.
Keep Michael where he is
Put me on the pointed end of the ferry.
Remember...We may or may not have been on the actual ferry we were to be loaded onto.
Also, We were on an upper deck and my seat was on the end of that particular deck.

Try this and I'll see if we can get it more accurate.

Thank ya friend, tgc c
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Jeff~ Thanks for posting the pictures!

Carmen~ Nice sketches! They'll help explain your position.

Thank you both, very much.

Debs
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Hi, Carmen~

I couldn’t find the times for the early shots; could you please dig them out? I think the video I’m making would be much better if I had the times.


#2 ?? CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:07
Looking east along W 42nd St near 8th Ave, the Chevys shot

#3 ?? CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:11
Times Square from Broadway between W 45th St and W 44th St

#4 ??CT, ??EDT, TE ??, vrt n/a
SOS Chinese protester

#5 ??CT, ?? EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:15
Bus approaching the intersection of W 42nd St and the West Side Hwy

#6 ?? CT, ?? EDT, TE ??, vrt 0:19
View is to the northwest, the USS Intrepid in the middle ground, Carmen’s bus is turning onto the West Side Hwy southbound from W 42nd St.

example:
#7 2:35:18 CT, 8:28:34 EDT, vrt 0:23
On a bus, West Side Hwy at Gansevoort St, southbound

If you could provide the Camera Time (CT), I'll gladly convert it to EDT.

Thanks!

Debs
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