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| Mars Rover | Jul 10 2009, 10:45 AM Post #331 |
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'The face'.....![]() Another shot from 'the face'...... ![]() IMO there's no face.... Only our brains looking for one..... |
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| heidimarie | Jul 10 2009, 10:46 AM Post #332 |
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ER and HP...do you mean the face in the immediate explosion, or in the smoke plume which followed? Are faces, with eyes, not somewhat similar to an OWL face? Also, from the first hit, would spiraling smoke be an indication of the vortex? I have an image which definitely shows spiraling smoke. May be on the sequence a few pages earlier in this thread? Just a question. I have no knowledge of vortex other than what i have learned here. tgc C |
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| heidimarie | Jul 10 2009, 10:48 AM Post #333 |
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I didn't see the face in my photo until back home in Arkansas and my brother-in-law pointed it out to me. Nobody else who viewed my images prior to that mentioned it, either. |
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| heidimarie | Jul 10 2009, 10:54 AM Post #334 |
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Look at Broken Sticks, July 2. He found some of my pictures and posted link. Look at #12 |
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| elephant room | Jul 10 2009, 10:58 AM Post #335 |
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courtesy of carmen taylor |
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| heidimarie | Jul 10 2009, 11:18 AM Post #336 |
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Try the 4th down on the sequence of images for the spiraling smoke on hit one. The subsequent pictures, which we tend to dwell on the second hit, show the first hit has smoke that continues to spiral, whereas, the 2nd hit has smoke that acts differently. You guys are great detectives...and I appreciate your kind words. tgc c |
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| elephant room | Jul 10 2009, 11:26 AM Post #337 |
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this one? If this is the one you mean this would be the south side of the north tower ... If I understand wake vortex correctly it would be seen on the side that the 'plane' entered and following it into/at the entrance side of the building. Edited by elephant room, Jul 10 2009, 11:30 AM.
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| heavyplastic | Jul 10 2009, 03:36 PM Post #338 |
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Exactly, it's spinning air, doing around 500 mph horizontally and spinning inward from both wingtips. (wax in, wax out!) |
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| shure | Jul 10 2009, 03:42 PM Post #339 |
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Wake Vortex:![]() Every aircraft generates a wake of turbulent air when it flies. This disturbance is caused by a pair of tornado-like counter-rotating vortices that trail from the tips of the wings. The existence of these cylindrical vortices was proclaimed in 1907, just four years after the first powered aircraft flights by the Wright Brothers, following airflow studies by British aerodynamicist F. W. Lanchester. |
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| broken sticks | Jul 10 2009, 03:49 PM Post #340 |
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Carmen (and everybody), if you want to watch a no-plane video that demonstrates wing vortices, this one is ok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlj1mVD2-HM But details on it are patchy. I have a friend who is convinced purely on the missing vortex problem, but i haven't found anyone who knows very much about it. I've heard the effects are less at higher speed, and all the videos you'll see of the effects are at about 150mph, but i also found a video one time that showed a bunch of what they claimed to be vortex effects at the WTC after the second crash. It was sketchy, but they did point out a few spiraling areas of flame/smoke. If we should be seeing anything remotely like the demonstrations in that video i linked above, then there was no plane. I'm not sure its that simple though. Edited by broken sticks, Jul 10 2009, 03:52 PM.
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| heidimarie | Jul 10 2009, 07:01 PM Post #341 |
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just got home, no time, will watch later...but wasn't trying to mean yes or no to planes, just that the spiral was different. I'm open to whatever develops. |
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| broken sticks | Jul 10 2009, 08:06 PM Post #342 |
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cool... and cool, me too i think we need to look at the maths of how this wake vortex thing works, and also have a proper look for any possible signs of the effects (once we have a better understanding of what those effects would be).
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| heavyplastic | Jul 11 2009, 09:45 AM Post #343 |
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Right, no conclusions yet, just question marks that need investigation. |
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| RasgaSaias | Jul 14 2009, 08:07 AM Post #344 |
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Hello Carmen. Thanks for your time to answer all these questions. However there's something I'd like to call your attention for. I'm not sure if you're aware of what just happened here some pages back when a guy named Ace Baker posted you some questions. It looked like an innocent conversation, but it's far from that. His idea was to prove his point that nobody will provide him original copies from videos or pictures showing the 9/11 planes. He offers up to $100.000 for any taker. http://acebaker.blogspot.com/2009/04/100000-amateur-video-challenge.html In this case, we're not talking about a video, but even though he asked you to name your price. http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/single/?p=415475&t=1546649 Can you please help us to prove this guy wrong and provide an original copy from the picture with the plane? Please, even if you don't want to make money with this, at least make it in the name of truth and sanity. He is accusing you and all the others who saw a something of being payed actors, accomplices in mass murder. His in the making of a documentary that will soon be available to the public where your name will probably be included in the list of the 9/11 criminals. Making a copy from your floppy disk won't damage it. And it will be a good opportunity to create some backups. Carmen, will you please help us to help you and provide Ace Baker what his asking for? This is extremely important. Edited by RasgaSaias, Jul 14 2009, 08:10 AM.
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| heidimarie | Jul 14 2009, 10:20 AM Post #345 |
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RS...so good to hear from you and, yes, I will help you and our group. First, though, you know that whatever is provided by me, or anybody already labeled a criminal, murderer, perp, or any other name some groups have given us, will never satisfy these people. No matter what evidence is given, in a biased court, it always proves guilt. That being said, I won't even try. I'll provide only the facts and truth as I know it. Two of my pictures belong to the AP. I honor my obligations, and will not offer to sell something that is not mine. The AP has treated me fairly and respectfully. Pumpitout, after we got to know one another, has treated me fairly and respectfully. I intend for these relationships to continue. The latest images ya'll have pulled from the internet (the mirrors link) are as good as any I've ever seen and for research probably can't be equaled. To just "prove" something to somebody who can't be satisfied is no reason for me to make and send copies, but, as you mentioned, I do need to make some more backups. Relative to your concern for the safety of the originals, I appreciate your urging me to act. I will follow through. Thank you. I also have some photos I received back in 2006 beginning 9-12 and 9-22-2001 which have some arial shots of ground zero and surrounding streets and buildings. What are the street intersections and direction from the towers of the location where the "plane part" hit? I'll send pictures of the area if I have them. Please don't think I'm being difficult, but I will help. tgc C Edited by heidimarie, Jul 14 2009, 10:23 AM.
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i think we need to look at the maths of how this wake vortex thing works, and also have a proper look for any possible signs of the effects (once we have a better understanding of what those effects would be).

7:27 PM Jul 10