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Carmen Taylor Answers Questions
Topic Started: Apr 23 2009, 05:01 AM (14,322 Views)
seatnineb

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May 12 2009, 09:45 PM
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No, I didn’t. First time I’ve seen the picture. Assume it is headed west. Good reason I didn’t see it, don’t think I was looking for one. After my pix of 175, I was watching my camera as the recording message continued so that I could take the next shot, of the devil. After that, I truly don’t remember anything until I heard a man’s voice, saying something like “lady, lady, you’ve got to get off the boat.” Seems like he guided me back to the park. I was trying at that point to get close to a group of people. Sorry I can’t provide any more help.

Oops…the other plane is heading east according to the picture if the shooter is in the same location as for the rest of the sequence…or else there is something weird about the picture. In the shooter’s second frame, is that 175 to the left of the frame heading into the South Tower? The North Tower, which I presume the picture is intended to portray, is on the right smoking? Wrong. The wind was blowing all the smoke to the east, and in this picture I can’t get my bearing. Explain better where the shooter was, maybe I’m just confused. Happens.

To simplify: If the shooter is on the south half, the smoke should be going the other direction. If the shooter is on the north half, the plane should be on the other side. Does that sound logical?

tgc c


Thanks for responding Carmen....yeah....the guy/girl who filmed this:

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...was filming from an eastern(possibly slight north eastern position)...

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Also, the smoke seems to be more horizontal than in my images. I looked back through mine, and most of them show the cloud going straighter up. Could be our angles. On the last frame, have you figured out what that building to the lower right is?

tgc c


I am thinking that this videographer is somewhere in Brooklyn...at a guess...or possibly Queens?

Carmen

the thing that is interesting is that there were many planes that flew unsually close to the WTC before,during and after the "2nd hit".......what is also interesting is that the few eye-witnesses to these other planes actually assumed that these were the planes that hit the building:

take this witness......who sees the explosion on the south tower without actually knowing/seeing what causes this explosion........but she does see a white plane flying in the viscinity:

Minutes later, the South Tower erupted in an explosion. It was a giant billow of fire blowing out the east side of the building,she said. I did not see the plane hit the building it was far enough away that THE WHITE PLANE HAD DISSAPPEARED AGAINST THE SKY so I thought it was a bomb. But we had CNN on the TV set nearby, and they replayed footage of a plane crashing into the building.
http://www.star.niu.edu/campus/articles/092401-alumna.asp

I believe the witness is refering to this plane:

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...which flew exceptionally close to the WTC at some point between the 1st and 2nd hit.

Any chance that you saw that plane?




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Jonayla
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Carmen, I'm really taken with your patience!! Thank you so much :)
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people see faces everywhere, our brains specifically look for them constantly, its called pareidolia (the same phenomenon that we have to thank for so many Mother Theresa tortilla chips etc). I don't think its a completely understood science though.

anyway, sorry to have gone slightly off-topic.



Carmen, thanks again for your time and patience
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seatnineb

Carmen....

there is nyc fotographer Michael Castellano:

he took this foto at 9:03 or 9:04am by his own estimate (just after the time of the 2nd hit):



if you look closer at the foto....you can see a plane flying off in the distance:
you can tell the foto was taken just after the explosion on the south tower because you can see smoke rising from the south tower's eastern wall :



if you zoom in...you can see it was a good size plane:



The interesting thing is that Castellano assumed his foto was taken before the 2nd hit because the plane which featured in his foto made him to believe that this was the plane that hit the WTC!

I exchanged emails with him 2 years back and pointed out this anomaly...and castellano conceded that his foto was taken after and not before the 2nd hit....

but that is the problem...Castellano never saw Flight 175 approach and hit:

Although from our angle we could not see the actual impact, AND DID NOT KNOW A SECOND PLANE HAD STRUCK and NEVER SAW IT AS IT APPROACHED
http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1403828&forward=viewportfolio

when I told him he should have seen flight 175 from his angle he conjectured that he was looking in his binoculars and not focusing on the area from where the plane approached.....

But it would have been impossible for castellano not to see the plane unless he had his back turned completely

an anonymouse videographer shot this video of flight 175 approaching and hitting (and passed it onto MSNBC) from a very similar angle to Castellano:

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If you take a portion of Castellano's foto:



...recrop and resize it and superimpose it on the MSNBC video you get this:

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this shows just how similar these 2 plane trajectories were........surely not a coincidence..even with Newark and JFK airports being in such close proximity.

it also highlights how castellano should haveseen flight 175 given his panoramic view......if that plane really existed.




Edited by seatnineb, May 17 2009, 04:36 AM.
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genghis6199

and here's park foremans.

note the same shine and shape of plane
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Jeff, I went back to NYC in Jan, 2005, and using my original pictures,Gulnara Samoilova, helped me re-locate to take the same shots. Of course, Iam on ground level, did not get on the ferry, and am not even sure this islike the ferry I was on. It is, however, probably a pretty good indicator ofmy height on 9/11. Just thought ya'll might find these interesting.

tgc c


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The red line is my route on the bus to Battery Park, ends about where I was standing (may have been a bit more to the east) when we looked up and saw what can only be described as “sparks, like from a 4th of July sparkler children hold” emit from the North Tower.

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1) The star is where I stood watching #11 hit.

2) Heavy short red arrow indicates probable position of ferry we were put on

3) Circle indicates where north tower was hit and smoking UP

4) Four-point star to right (east) of towers indicates helicopter

5) Red dash to left of screen indicates “speck” of 175

6) My memory and set-up, 175 comes straight in, banks and hits South Tower

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This is my shot, straight from my camera…that “crummy little Mavica…”

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This is my next shot...

Will send more from this PowerPoint presentation on “Conspiracy” I put together last year (if you want). Finally had to do one since there were so many questions…and you guys did say some unflattering things about me! Also, other pictures I send will be ones you have not seen, so use them with the integrity in which I will offer them. Thanks. Tgc c

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seatnineb

If Carmen should be reading this at some point!?

@Carmen...

I have tried to convey how i would interpret north west as seen from the area you were in on 9/11

this is taken from a chopper ......but you can see the whitehall building which features in your foto

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you can use the whitehall building as your reference:

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now my bearings may be off( I have never been to NYC myself!) but i have have written north west over that portion of the sky that i would assume roughly to be north west.....

is this the direction/area/portion of the sky that you saw the plane approach from?

Thanks in advance
Edited by seatnineb, May 18 2009, 05:00 PM.
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Jeff, please post in response to seatnineb. Thanks.



Hey…that pix you show made the building (Whitehall?) look so small. I don’t want to seem dumb, I’m pretty much real, and, please forgive my ignorance, but is that curved red brick building the one you refer to as Whitehall?



As near as I can describe, and I wish we were talking face to face, I see the plane combing in from the west, maybe a bit northwest. In my mind’s eye, it is so simple, just a straight line, clean, cool, and easy to anticipate. I so much want to describe it as best as I remember, and in my memory it is straight in from the left. Wow…if I am wrong, it is not by intention.



Also, please help me out with something else. When I showed the image in my camera to the people in Battery Park, it was “breaking news” to them and me, too. They seemed to have no pre-conceived ideas and were open to what they saw in my camera. Good, bad or indifferent, it was the best and all I had to offer at the time, and to me it was the truth and they seemed to take it that way. Our cell phones weren’t working, there were no news reports…this was grass roots, and I had no reason to lie or exaggerate. It was all reality in a situation that defied reality. There were no games at this point. It was if we shared the unbelievablity of truth together. (think I just coined a new word, or so my computer tells me.).

I think my answer would be “yes.” tgc c


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this is why they don't want us to talk to the videographers and photographers.


because they are our best indication of a problem with the planes.
there were more than one.

in the cbs shot, and detroit shot, and the a few others,
the plane seems to "appear" in top corner of screen.

it is always descending.
it is not circling.

a LOT OF WITNESSES say it "happened so fast
it circled round and boom!"

"it didn't even seem real"

jennifer spell said it still troubles her.

these people are spelling it out in black and white.
if only we listened.


this will get a section in the recut.
jeff has plenty of testimony about these extra planes.

these were "control platforms" imho opinion.

when people say a black object came up the river,
they are talking about a real object.

carmens account does not speak of divebombing.
witness accounts always differ with what we saw on the tv.

the silver divebomber and the circling plane are two diff objects 100%.

the official story tracks the plane into new york from the SOUTH WEST.

THERE CAN BE NO MISTAKE.

there was not enough real time,
and/or radar track or official account
to support any "fly round" theory.

and what about dianne sawyer, one minute after first strike?.

"we all saw a plane flying round earlier - we all saw it,
we just assumed it had circled round"

we all saw the magic show live and didn't see the magician
shoving the pigeon in his sleeve.

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seatnineb

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May 18 2009, 10:40 PM
this is why they don't want us to talk to the videographers and photographers.


because they are our best indication of a problem with the planes.
there were more than one.

in the cbs shot, and detroit shot, and the a few others,
the plane seems to "appear" in top corner of screen.

it is always descending.
it is not circling.

a LOT OF WITNESSES say it "happened so fast
it circled round and boom!"

"it didn't even seem real"

jennifer spell said it still troubles her.

these people are spelling it out in black and white.
if only we listened.


this will get a section in the recut.
jeff has plenty of testimony about these extra planes.

these were "control platforms" imho opinion.

when people say a black object came up the river,
they are talking about a real object.

carmens account does not speak of divebombing.
witness accounts always differ with what we saw on the tv.

the silver divebomber and the circling plane are two diff objects 100%.

the official story tracks the plane into new york from the SOUTH WEST.

THERE CAN BE NO MISTAKE.

there was not enough real time,
and/or radar track or official account
to support any "fly round" theory.

and what about dianne sawyer, one minute after first strike?.

"we all saw a plane flying round earlier - we all saw it,
we just assumed it had circled round"

we all saw the magic show live and didn't see the magician
shoving the pigeon in his sleeve.

could not agree more...beautifully said.
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the other plane at the WTC was probably the one tracked on radar etc.!!
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seatnineb

Thanks Carmen + Jeff

@Carmen..

thanks for taking time to respond....truly appreciated!

yeah...this is the whitehall building as shown in your 2005 trip:

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I have taken a screen capture from a video that was shot before 9/11 which gives a nice but still rough idea of a north western direction in relation to where you were:

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the shot even contains a docked ferry which i assume is in roughly the same place as where you were on 9/11...

i have painted a small black dot in in north western sky to simulate a plane approaching from that direction.let me know if this is accurate or inaccurate with regards to what you saw.

to help you out more here is a foto of a ferry taken post 9/11

the sky behind is roughly north western......but it is difficult to show with these videos/fotos

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Edited by seatnineb, May 19 2009, 02:18 PM.
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Response to Seatnineb: Your images helped. Thanks. I believe you lined my position pretty close. A different angle from mine, of course (the red arrow screen from my PowerPoint), but I think we’re pretty much coming up with the same positioning. As to the ferry, I don’t think the one we were on was that large, more like the one in my 2005 picture. I still have my Gray Line tour book and it shows a picture of one of their ferries in the Circle Line Cruises which looks “not like either of our pictures”. Perhaps this means…who knows. I’m still not sure they one they put us on was the one we were supposed to be on. Tgc c



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Response to Seatnineb: Your images helped. Thanks. I believe you lined my position pretty close. A different angle from mine, of course (the red arrow screen from my PowerPoint), but I think we’re pretty much coming up with the same positioning. As to the ferry, I don’t think the one we were on was that large, more like the one in my 2005 picture. I still have my Gray Line tour book and it shows a picture of one of their ferries in the Circle Line Cruises which looks “not like either of our pictures”. Perhaps this means…who knows. I’m still not sure they one they put us on was the one we were supposed to be on. Tgc c



thanks for your response Carmen( and as always Jeff!)

@ Carmen
this is the video that Jeff refered to ....that shows the plane diving...

this video is taken from the north east...looking towards the south west.....which is why I was trying to clarify which direction you saw the plane approached from....

because at least as seen in this video...the plane approaches from the south west...or the west....but not the north west......


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although as I said before....several witnesses did claim that the plane came from the north....turned around and the came from the south west as seen in the videos.

do the above fotos help?

Thanks in advance.


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