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| seatnineb | May 13 2009, 07:27 AM Post #136 |
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| Jonayla | May 13 2009, 07:48 AM Post #137 |
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Carmen, I'm really taken with your patience!! Thank you so much
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| broken sticks | May 13 2009, 08:21 AM Post #138 |
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people see faces everywhere, our brains specifically look for them constantly, its called pareidolia (the same phenomenon that we have to thank for so many Mother Theresa tortilla chips etc). I don't think its a completely understood science though. anyway, sorry to have gone slightly off-topic. Carmen, thanks again for your time and patience |
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| seatnineb | May 13 2009, 08:43 AM Post #139 |
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Carmen.... there is nyc fotographer Michael Castellano: he took this foto at 9:03 or 9:04am by his own estimate (just after the time of the 2nd hit): if you look closer at the foto....you can see a plane flying off in the distance: you can tell the foto was taken just after the explosion on the south tower because you can see smoke rising from the south tower's eastern wall : if you zoom in...you can see it was a good size plane: The interesting thing is that Castellano assumed his foto was taken before the 2nd hit because the plane which featured in his foto made him to believe that this was the plane that hit the WTC! I exchanged emails with him 2 years back and pointed out this anomaly...and castellano conceded that his foto was taken after and not before the 2nd hit.... but that is the problem...Castellano never saw Flight 175 approach and hit: Although from our angle we could not see the actual impact, AND DID NOT KNOW A SECOND PLANE HAD STRUCK and NEVER SAW IT AS IT APPROACHED http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1403828&forward=viewportfolio when I told him he should have seen flight 175 from his angle he conjectured that he was looking in his binoculars and not focusing on the area from where the plane approached..... But it would have been impossible for castellano not to see the plane unless he had his back turned completely an anonymouse videographer shot this video of flight 175 approaching and hitting (and passed it onto MSNBC) from a very similar angle to Castellano: ![]() If you take a portion of Castellano's foto: ...recrop and resize it and superimpose it on the MSNBC video you get this: ![]() this shows just how similar these 2 plane trajectories were........surely not a coincidence..even with Newark and JFK airports being in such close proximity. it also highlights how castellano should haveseen flight 175 given his panoramic view......if that plane really existed. Edited by seatnineb, May 17 2009, 04:36 AM.
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| genghis6199 | May 13 2009, 09:44 AM Post #140 |
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and here's park foremans. note the same shine and shape of plane ![]() |
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| shure | May 13 2009, 10:56 AM Post #141 |
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| shure | May 13 2009, 02:52 PM Post #142 |
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| seatnineb | May 18 2009, 04:58 PM Post #143 |
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If Carmen should be reading this at some point!? @Carmen... I have tried to convey how i would interpret north west as seen from the area you were in on 9/11 this is taken from a chopper ......but you can see the whitehall building which features in your foto ![]() you can use the whitehall building as your reference: ![]() ![]() now my bearings may be off( I have never been to NYC myself!) but i have have written north west over that portion of the sky that i would assume roughly to be north west..... is this the direction/area/portion of the sky that you saw the plane approach from? Thanks in advance Edited by seatnineb, May 18 2009, 05:00 PM.
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| shure | May 18 2009, 10:22 PM Post #144 |
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| genghis6199 | May 18 2009, 10:40 PM Post #145 |
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this is why they don't want us to talk to the videographers and photographers. because they are our best indication of a problem with the planes. there were more than one. in the cbs shot, and detroit shot, and the a few others, the plane seems to "appear" in top corner of screen. it is always descending. it is not circling. a LOT OF WITNESSES say it "happened so fast it circled round and boom!" "it didn't even seem real" jennifer spell said it still troubles her. these people are spelling it out in black and white. if only we listened. this will get a section in the recut. jeff has plenty of testimony about these extra planes. these were "control platforms" imho opinion. when people say a black object came up the river, they are talking about a real object. carmens account does not speak of divebombing. witness accounts always differ with what we saw on the tv. the silver divebomber and the circling plane are two diff objects 100%. the official story tracks the plane into new york from the SOUTH WEST. THERE CAN BE NO MISTAKE. there was not enough real time, and/or radar track or official account to support any "fly round" theory. and what about dianne sawyer, one minute after first strike?. "we all saw a plane flying round earlier - we all saw it, we just assumed it had circled round" we all saw the magic show live and didn't see the magician shoving the pigeon in his sleeve. |
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| seatnineb | May 19 2009, 10:36 AM Post #146 |
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could not agree more...beautifully said. |
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| broken sticks | May 19 2009, 12:23 PM Post #147 |
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the other plane at the WTC was probably the one tracked on radar etc.!! |
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| seatnineb | May 19 2009, 02:07 PM Post #148 |
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Thanks Carmen + Jeff @Carmen.. thanks for taking time to respond....truly appreciated! yeah...this is the whitehall building as shown in your 2005 trip: ![]() I have taken a screen capture from a video that was shot before 9/11 which gives a nice but still rough idea of a north western direction in relation to where you were: ![]() the shot even contains a docked ferry which i assume is in roughly the same place as where you were on 9/11... i have painted a small black dot in in north western sky to simulate a plane approaching from that direction.let me know if this is accurate or inaccurate with regards to what you saw. to help you out more here is a foto of a ferry taken post 9/11 the sky behind is roughly north western......but it is difficult to show with these videos/fotos ![]() Edited by seatnineb, May 19 2009, 02:18 PM.
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| shure | May 19 2009, 09:48 PM Post #149 |
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| seatnineb | May 20 2009, 04:35 PM Post #150 |
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thanks for your response Carmen( and as always Jeff!) @ Carmen this is the video that Jeff refered to ....that shows the plane diving... this video is taken from the north east...looking towards the south west.....which is why I was trying to clarify which direction you saw the plane approached from.... because at least as seen in this video...the plane approaches from the south west...or the west....but not the north west...... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() although as I said before....several witnesses did claim that the plane came from the north....turned around and the came from the south west as seen in the videos. do the above fotos help? Thanks in advance. |
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