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| If this is it....Part 5- “KT”, Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute | |
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| Jenny | Jun 1 2010, 03:02 PM Post #1 |
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If this is it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbJxK9VKVdA “...If this is it , Please let me know...” ~mixed feelings Part 5- “Killtown”, Lew Rockwell and the Ludwig von Mises Institute Killtown as anyone can see from his yahoo profile came on the scene in March of 2002, literally months after 9/11. http:// profiles.yahoo.com/killtown Before that he was a active in the Libertarian Party, and even before that he admits to being active in the Greens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9tk0H-EDZ4 So it isn't completely fair to assume his 9/11truth involvement was phony; clearly he was interested in politics before. But how genuine was his previous interest? Its speculation, but switching from Green to Libertarian is a bit odd. It sounds more like he was a Green because of the hot chicks and drugs, and the Libertarian switch was discovering a conservative culture that he could be comfortable with and still get hot chicks and drugs. Again this is speculation, but it would explain why “KT” finds right-wing nutters comfortable company—to him that is normal. I wouldn't be surprised to discover his family as hard core Republicans with strong “Christian Values”. That's perfect recipe for raging hypocrisy later in life. Another odd bit was his choice of screen name. “Killtown”? Seriously? Are you trying to put people off? There was an 80's rap group. Maybe “KT” was a fan. There was also an African American group who I'd suspect is truly irritated with “KT” hijacking their search results. They probably changed their name.... Right, “Killtown” makes sense as a band name challenging the culture—not so much if one's really trying to get people to look into 911truth. As a name for an supposed antiwar activist, it's frankly offensive—especially used by a white boy. He's not alone in this in your face counter productive naming among supposed truthers. Somewhere out there is a user called “europeangenocide” and another called “catrapesdog”. More relevant are email addys called “slicingthroats” and “removingheads”, also from roughly the same period. Its like someone wanted a bunch of off-putting names to go with the drivel they'd soon publish. One of “Killtown”s first haunts was APFN. APFN is short for American Patriots Friends Network. “Killtowns” posts go back to at least 2003: http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/10-11-03/discussion.cgi.89.html
What's curious about the IP address “KT” used is other people posting at APFN used it as well.
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/05-10-05/discussion.cgi.52.html That seems to imply a network Killtown --and others—had access to, for the express purpose of posting to APFN. It is NOT a proxy service. It is a static corporate ip address owned by Extreme Zone in Mesa, AZ: Hostname:ip-140-158-40.phx.extremezone.com ISP:Extreme Internet That sounds like a service APFN was paying for its users to post through. Nothing wrong with that in theory, but is shows someone representing APFN spent money so people could the Extreme Zone ip like a proxy service. Whomever paid for that service could be held culpable in the later slander and attacks the list was used for. Other people used this network, notably Lisa Guliani:
Right-wing operative Marsha McCleland defending Terry Schiavo's “life” www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_2.htm http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/02-23-05/discussion.cgi.2.html
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/02-11-05/discussion.cgi.43.html And—surprise, surprise, Webfairy:
Leaving aside the extreme unlikelihood of anyone hosting material on their personal website they'll be held responsible for and not knowing whose material it is, its notable how many people who would later be trouble can be found on the APFN network. At the very least American Patriots Friends Network has an agenda of pushing right-wing extremism. They don't like discussion and they don't play nice if they're crossed—which can be just asking them a simple question; http://justanotherblowback.blogspot.com/2006/10/american-patriot-friends-network-apfn.html At the most the are crytpo fascists and racists of the worst kind-- and here's a message from David Duke to prove it: http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-24-05/discussion.cgi.21.html
Wow. David Duke. THE David Duke. And Killtown and the rest were on this email list...how could they have missed DAVID sodding “KKK” DUKE? APFN—and its associated google/yahoo groups/email lists is also a haunt of Webster Tarpley [=Larouche] and a place where virtually all of Tarpley's media—books, radio shows are promoted. http://www.mail-archive.com/apfn@googlegroups.com/msg01605.html apfn.net/Messageboard/01-21-06/discussion.cgi.67.html www.apfn.net/messageboard/07-04-05/discussion.cgi.28.html So we can safely say APFN is another Lyndom Larouche outpost. What's a nice ex-Green Libertarian boy hanging out with friends of Larouche cultists and David Duke? That by itself indicates his “Green” sympathies were probably phony. David sodding Duke—no way did would a real Green remain on an email list with David Duke. Whatever one says about his online time spent, KT wasn't lazy—his copy/pasta masterpiece, Killtown's: 250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns', was a feat in tedious mirroring of government and MSM sources. And another trap for 9/11truth. If could be a great resource—if it hadn't been complied by an odious troll who let Internet stalkers and pedophiles destroy his website and reputation in one stroke. As it is linking to his site is automatically cause for discrediting, and anyone defending him and his supposed “research” has either been in a cave for the last 5 years or is one of his trolls. KT's Smoking Guns served two purposes, first it gave his “research creds” that opened doors from him many places. He became a mod at Loose Change forums—with all the access to personal information that implies--- long before he had his own forum. He was invited on radio shows and, more or less, conducted himself civilly, if one ignores his obsession with Val McClatchey. But without APFN and his mates Lisa, Victor and Michael, there never would have been a problem with Val. IMO I think KT was seduced into taking on the McClatchey project. It was Rumpl4skin who did the preliminary “research” and Lisa and Victor who first called Ms. McClatchey. Then they dumped it in KT's lap. Or he volunteered. This doesn't excuse his actions, it just seems to be how the ball started rolling. I think I know why they chose him—at this time 2005-2006—he was a valuable right-wing troll asset: he'd managed up to then to maintain his online anonymity. That is precisely the person you need if you're going to make it part of your operation to publish repeated lies and slanders about someone. What I don't get is why he took the job on with such gusto. Its as if he started to believe his own press-- he was invincible, special, and untouchable. KT has made zero effort to modify, qualify or mitigate the rubbish he's directed at people, including Val—something most sane people do, especially if they know they're crossing the line. They give themselves room to wiggle if they're ever caught. “KT” has given himself none of this. This is seen most glaringly in his latest lie—apropos of nothing--where three or four people are supposed to have engaged in criminal blackmail. Archived, screened and there is NO ROOM to wiggle. No excuse will save him. What that suggests is a person lost in grandiose delusions and completely out of touch with reality. Maybe that's why he took the McClatchey job on—KT is simply incapable of believing anything he does can go wrong. That makes people bold, but it also makes them stupid. They're unable to accurately judge risk, so they're unable to plan ahead effectively. In a way I feel a tiny bit sorry for him—obviously he was being taken advantage of and no one warned him of the risks. His delusions of infallibility alienated so many people online someone made an Urbandictionary entry of his trolling style, “Killtowning” http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=killtowning He was banned so many places, he was forced to start his own forum, with people beholden to him or sharing the same agenda. One of those was big in libertarian circles, a man called Rockwell, more well known as Lew Rockwell, who published the racist Ron Paul letters. Lew Rockwell in the 9/11 Truth Movement [Rockwell at 911movement] http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/884/rockwell1.jpg http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6189/rockwell4.jpg http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/26/ron-paul-95-percent-of-black-men-are-criminal/
Also: http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-plank/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletters https://www.tnr.com/article/politics/selections-ron-pauls-newsletters http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/more-selections-ron-pauls-newsletters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWpADkP4QqY Fall out at Liberty Forest: http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/3457/rockwell3.jpg http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2630/rockwell2.jpg http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/192/rockwell5.jpg http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7288/rockwell6.jpg Lew Rockwell wrote these things for Ron Paul. This scandal single-handedly destroyed left-wing Libertarian participation in the official Libertarian Party. Now “Libertarian” almost always means “Republican/right-wing nutter afraid to admit it”. Rockwell's Ron Paul forum profile: http://ns2.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?s=c48513d5f8e6e188316b37c84b589014&u=5401 Lew Rockwell is scarier than I knew: http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/angry-white-man?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720-ac15-4532a7da84ca
That explains David Duke. Not so much the crypto-Nazis. That must be filed under “complicated”. To recap, aimless supposed Green boy enjoying hippy chicks is drawn into the Libertarian party, and becomes a 911 online entity working with supporters of Lyndon Larouche, David Duke and various Holocaust deniers and confederacy sympathizers. Eventually KT would be de facto manager of a forum compiling information about activists—and one of his administrators is THE Lew Rockwell. Sorry, that man is too big for a hole in the wall operation. What that says to me is 911movement.org was a bastard stepchild operation of a right-wing think tank, and a good candidate is the Ludwig von Mises Institute or someone connected to it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute It is extremely unlikely a man like Lew Rockwell would deign to be an administrator at Killtown's backwater 911 forum unless he had a vested interest in it. Which means Killtown—and all his little friends—were part of a Right-wing think-tank agenda, whether they knew it or not. There was a suspicion of Larouche connections given so many associates of “Killtown” pimp Webster Tarpley's books. There's also rumour “Killtowns” group was the beneficiary of “anonymous” donations and the Larocuhe PAC is a reasonable source of such funds. But its seems more likely, given the intimate association Rockwell had with 9/11 movement.org, that in this case, any financial funding and “marching orders” came from or were heavily influenced by, Lew Rockwell's think-tank the Ludwig von Mises Institute. It is noteworthy Lew Rockwell, again using the screen name Rockwell, was involved with Rick Seigel's 911researchers.com, (though not as an administrator to the best of my knowledge). That would indicate the Ludwig von Mises Institute had an agenda they wished to push in the 9/11 truth movement, and they saw “Killtown” and his forum as one of the platforms to push that agenda. So how does that happen? Killtown goes to Rockwell and says: “Please kind sir, come to my forum and be an admin.” Or Rockwell goes to Killtown- “Son, I see you're doing good work here, mind if I become part of your club?” Neither of those work. This is Lew sodding Rockwell. He's Ron Paul's ghostwriter and has money coming out his ears. He's not coming hat in hand to some wee Internet troll, nor would be impressed by pleadings from the same. The only scenario that makes sense is Rockwell had a guiding hand in setting up “Killtowns” forum at some level because Rockwell a saw the endeavor as promoting his interests, which includes promoting Ron Paul, racism and glorifying the Confederacy, btw. Now the mystery of why some racist material was tolerated at “Killtown's” forum is solved. Whatever Rockwell's involvement and support, it does not involve rescuing Killtown from obscurity. He served his purpose and now “KT” is too hot to handle. Imagine the headlines: “Libertarian Think-tank behind harassment of Shanksville 9/11 witness and Canadian actor”. Yeh, that's a hot potato Mr. Rockwell won't be picking up too soon. And no overview of Killtown's career can be complete without a brief mention of his Nazi Bimbo. http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37884 Either she has Nazi sympathies or is indifferent to them. She has posted under Xena Warrior Princess and the911stalker, but I like “Nazi Bimbo”. Honestly, how does THIS happen if she's not a Nazi Bimbo? http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/840/nogwguesswho2.jpg Brief mention ends. One lesson in all this is you can count on right-wing operatives to shoot themselves in the foot—eventually. Its all rather sad and a bit of a waste. Imagine if “Killtown” had been committed to actually helping people. But he was never committed about anything. At most the evidence shows he followed one ridged path doggedly, even though it was self destructive. Why did he do it? It wasn't for 9/11 truth and justice. It wasn't to research 9/11. It wasn't because he cared about anyone or anything or any-cause. I think he did it because it was the closest thing to having friends—the closest thing to getting the validation his empty life lacked. That he apparently has no moral compass or ability to admit mistakes and change his ways, meant he was doomed from the start to be his own worst enemy. In a very literal sense “Killtown” is broken—being so impoverished in his internal life, his only sense of validation came from provoking others online. Honestly, if it wasn't 9/11, it would have been something else. What is shocking and a bit tragic is that his pursuit of validation destroyed his credibility so utterly, the very thing he craved is now impossible for him to get as “Killtown”. There is one way out for him: apologize, repudiate and clean up everything he's done. But he will never do this, thus dooming himself to be cut off from meaningful human interaction in 911 truth—or else where-- forever. Every troll following in Killtown's shoes—mark this and mark it well: an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Anyone encouraging you to do their dirty work and promising you can escape consequences—or they will protect you no matter what you do—it is a lie. If you are caught, you will be alone. It is only a matter of time. Look at how many powerful allies Killtown had—that are gone. It is not worth it and whomever you are none of you were as valuable as “Killtown” was. There will never be another “Killtown”. He was created during a unique set of on-line circumstances and personal quirks that will not be reproduced. “Killtown's” rise and fall is a lesson in the dangers of right-wing hubris. Now I must regretfully caution all 9/11 truth activists of African descent, or who identify as African descent or who LOOK LIKE they could be of African descent: there are bono fide racists(er, supporters of “the Confederacy”) operating in 9/11 truth and we know how dangerous racists can be. Under no circumstances let anyone manipulate you into surrendering your anonymity unless it is your informed decision. Note: I have been informed who “Killtown” is and exactly how to find him—observe I haven't revealed this information once. That's because when its time to deal with him, it won't be in public online. http://coljennysparks.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-this-is-itpart-5-killtown-lew.html Next: If this is it...Part 6- Jenny's Eagle Edited by Jenny, Jun 1 2010, 03:32 PM.
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