The Flyover/Flyby Deception

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The Flyover/Flyby Deception; Russell Pickering's 17 points
Tweet Topic Started: May 24 2010, 12:36 AM (2,307 Views)
scott	May 28 2010, 04:08 PM Post #16
Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #371 Joined: May 18, 2010	Chander May 28 2010, 03:52 PM Debs Quote: I would also like to see some proof of a flyover/flyby. It may not be 'proof', but it is certainly a strong bit of evidence. I am referring to the analysis done by Pilots for 9-11 Truth that showed a plane passed over the Pentagon by about 30 feet. Could you link to that analysis? I'm actually a member at PFT, but they're not always the keenest on answering questions there.



Cams2	May 29 2010, 01:50 AM Post #17
Posts: 14 Group: Members Member #376 Joined: May 28, 2010	Yougenedebs May 28 2010, 03:04 AM Welcome, Cams2! I would also like to see some proof of a flyover/flyby. Doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon, though. Debs Thanks Debs. No you wouldn't want to be holding your breath, although apparently we are dismissing the "scientific proof"....but then again at least we aren't ignorant to the fact that CIT dismiss evidence given by their own witnesses who said they actually saw the impact.



YougeneDebs	May 29 2010, 02:04 AM Post #18
Posts: 758 Group: Perspectivist Member #182 Joined: Mar 30, 2009	Cams2 May 29 2010, 01:50 AM Yougenedebs May 28 2010, 03:04 AM Welcome, Cams2! I would also like to see some proof of a flyover/flyby. Doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon, though. Debs Thanks Debs. No you wouldn't want to be holding your breath, although apparently we are dismissing the "scientific proof"....but then again at least we aren't ignorant to the fact that CIT dismiss evidence given by their own witnesses who said they actually saw the impact. Speaking of dismissing evidence... Was CIT able to get rid of the Wikipedia entry for the "scientific method of corroboration"? Attached to this post: WikiCorroborationNOT.jpg (74.94 KB) Edited by YougeneDebs, May 29 2010, 02:05 AM.



Cams2	May 29 2010, 02:15 AM Post #19
Posts: 14 Group: Members Member #376 Joined: May 28, 2010	Chander May 28 2010, 03:52 PM Debs Quote: I would also like to see some proof of a flyover/flyby. It may not be 'proof', but it is certainly a strong bit of evidence. I am referring to the analysis done by Pilots for 9-11 Truth that showed a plane passed over the Pentagon by about 30 feet. Are you refering to the paper by Rob Balsamo (and/or the videos) where the plane is shown to be 286.3 feet (or 'about 300 feet) above the Pentagon by factoring in 'local pressure to true altitude', yet failing to even show the true direction of the pane (10 degree variation) and not adjusting for magnetic variation? http://pilotsfor911truth.org/techpaperAA77 http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3752900324142560520 I personally find it difficult, on face falue, to simply believe an organisation who in the past have critiqued and released videos showing Flight 77 north of the Citgo station whereas in reality the 'true' direction is further south. Perhaps some of these professional pilots should refresh on how to use a compass? What is the "Official" Flight Path of Flight 77 at the Pentagon http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6508



Cams2	May 29 2010, 02:26 AM Post #20
Posts: 14 Group: Members Member #376 Joined: May 28, 2010	Very interesting Debs



A Storm is Coming	May 29 2010, 03:30 AM Post #21
Posts: 1,147 Group: Global Moderator Member #372 Joined: May 19, 2010	What we have here, is a failure to comunicate! A North side approach from the plane and the South side damage track of a missile answers all the most important questions as to why there are 2 flightpaths and why the FBI seized all the videos of the attack! Even Roosevelt Roberts indicated that it was clear that it was some sort of attack and there was going to be a countermeasure to it! at 4:12 in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_BTH7zcNg AND, we saw the plane HIT the Pentagon BEFORE there was an explosion! Just like at the World Trade Center! The explosion did NOT prevent us from seeing the impact! Edited by A Storm is Coming, May 29 2010, 03:49 AM.



YougeneDebs	May 29 2010, 03:47 AM Post #22
Posts: 758 Group: Perspectivist Member #182 Joined: Mar 30, 2009	A storm is coming May 29 2010, 03:30 AM What we have here, is a failure to comunicate! A North side approach from the plane and the South side damage track of a missile answers all the remaining questions as to why there are 2 flightpaths and why the FBI seized all the videos of the attack! Even Roosevelt Roberts indicated that it was clear that it was some sort of attack and there was going to be a countermeasure to it! at 4:12 in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_BTH7zcNg AND, we saw the plane HIT the Pentagon BEFORE there was an explosion! Just like at the World Trade Center! The explosion did NOT prevent us from seeing the impact! I got to hand it you storm; when you’re right – you’re right! It was all timed for preciseness; it was like we were being invaded. So; what time was it that Roberts stepped outside? 9:12? Seems a bit early, don’t you think?



A Storm is Coming	May 29 2010, 03:52 AM Post #23
Posts: 1,147 Group: Global Moderator Member #372 Joined: May 19, 2010	Yougenedebs May 29 2010, 03:47 AM A storm is coming May 29 2010, 03:30 AM What we have here, is a failure to comunicate! A North side approach from the plane and the South side damage track of a missile answers all the remaining questions as to why there are 2 flightpaths and why the FBI seized all the videos of the attack! Even Roosevelt Roberts indicated that it was clear that it was some sort of attack and there was going to be a countermeasure to it! at 4:12 in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_BTH7zcNg AND, we saw the plane HIT the Pentagon BEFORE there was an explosion! Just like at the World Trade Center! The explosion did NOT prevent us from seeing the impact! I got to hand it you storm; when you’re right – you’re right! It was all timed for preciseness; it was like we were being invaded. So; what time was it that Roberts stepped outside? 9:12? Seems a bit early, don’t you think? If he was in error, it's not relevant! A lot of simple errors were made by a lot of people being interviewed! What IS important is what the majority of witnesses agree on! Edited by A Storm is Coming, May 29 2010, 03:56 AM.



scott	May 29 2010, 04:58 AM Post #24
Posts: 58 Group: Members Member #371 Joined: May 18, 2010	Cams2 May 29 2010, 02:15 AM What is the "Official" Flight Path of Flight 77 at the Pentagon http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=6508 Craig Ranke dealt with that thread of yours in the last post of that thread: Craig Ranke CIT As discussed in detail in the podcast debate I had with John Bursill no data controlled by the govt and released after the fact is required to establish the "official flight path". Independent photographic evidence definitively establishes the exact location of the damage trail starting with the light poles, the generator trailer, the outer facade damage of the E-ring, and ending with the the inner C-ring hole damage. The location of this damage is a proven fact. Caustic Logic and John Farmer both agree with us on this simple point. THAT is what is irreconcilable with a plane north of the gas station at all (even where Turcios puts it) and why the witnesses prove the plane did not hit. Brian Good brought up a valid point: faked SoC damage doesn't mean that the plane didn't crash from an NoC trajectory. However, no NoC damage has ever been found, by anyone; that is the death knell of any argument that the plane could have hit from an NoC trajectory. Edited by scott, May 29 2010, 05:03 AM.



YougeneDebs	May 29 2010, 05:04 AM Post #25
Posts: 758 Group: Perspectivist Member #182 Joined: Mar 30, 2009	A storm is coming May 29 2010, 03:52 AM Yougenedebs May 29 2010, 03:47 AM A storm is coming May 29 2010, 03:30 AM What we have here, is a failure to comunicate! A North side approach from the plane and the South side damage track of a missile answers all the remaining questions as to why there are 2 flightpaths and why the FBI seized all the videos of the attack! Even Roosevelt Roberts indicated that it was clear that it was some sort of attack and there was going to be a countermeasure to it! at 4:12 in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_BTH7zcNg AND, we saw the plane HIT the Pentagon BEFORE there was an explosion! Just like at the World Trade Center! The explosion did NOT prevent us from seeing the impact! I got to hand it you storm; when you’re right – you’re right! It was all timed for preciseness; it was like we were being invaded. So; what time was it that Roberts stepped outside? 9:12? Seems a bit early, don’t you think? If he was in error, it's not relevant! A lot of simple errors were made by a lot of people being interviewed! What IS important is what the majority of witnesses agree on! So; are you saying that Roberts is a 'majority of one'?



A Storm is Coming	May 29 2010, 05:10 AM Post #26
Posts: 1,147 Group: Global Moderator Member #372 Joined: May 19, 2010	Yougenedebs Quote: So; are you saying that Roberts is a 'majority of one'? No, are you? The majority of witnesses saw the Plane North of the gas station and the majority saw it hit the Pentagon! Including myself and the explosion came AFTER it hit so we clearly saw it hit!



YougeneDebs	May 29 2010, 05:16 AM Post #27
Posts: 758 Group: Perspectivist Member #182 Joined: Mar 30, 2009	A storm is coming May 29 2010, 05:10 AM Yougenedebs Quote: So; are you saying that Roberts is a 'majority of one'? No, are you? The majority of witnesses saw the Plane North of the gas station and the majority saw it hit the Pentagon! Including myself and the explosion came AFTER it hit so we clearly saw it hit! oh. I thought you were watching the TV. In Detroit. my bad.



A Storm is Coming	May 29 2010, 05:39 AM Post #28
Posts: 1,147 Group: Global Moderator Member #372 Joined: May 19, 2010	Yougenedebs May 29 2010, 05:16 AM A storm is coming May 29 2010, 05:10 AM Yougenedebs Quote: So; are you saying that Roberts is a 'majority of one'? No, are you? The majority of witnesses saw the Plane North of the gas station and the majority saw it hit the Pentagon! Including myself and the explosion came AFTER it hit so we clearly saw it hit! oh. I thought you were watching the TV. In Detroit. my bad. I thought you were investigating 911? My bad



YougeneDebs	May 29 2010, 06:26 AM Post #29
Posts: 758 Group: Perspectivist Member #182 Joined: Mar 30, 2009	Deceptions come in different forms. Take the two views from Dawn Vignola’s apartment: Someone could try to block the Sheraton Hotel, like this: Or, someone could try to capture the view as used on 9/11, like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcUCrZETIb0 Which view is the more truthful? Well, according to plan271: “In fact, from the positions they were standing in their apartment at the time, they would not have had to turn their heads to see the approach and eventual crash…” plan271 Feb 4 2008 08:40 AM [...] From the POV of Ms Vignola's apartment, it appears that approximately two or more full lengths of the airplane would be visible, unobscured [at the moments of impact]. They would indeed have been able to see the full impact as they described independently. In fact, from the positions they were standing in their apartment at the time, they would not have had to turn their heads to see the approach and eventual crash, which again makes these two witnesses vastly more credible than anyone in a car, under a gas station car port, or otherwise under the rapidly passing airplane. A detailed interview and objective truthful reporting continue to maintain that Vignola and Timmerman are the best two witnesses available, that they saw more than anyone else regarding the Pentagon attack given their unique POV, and that what hit the ground and the building was indeed one passenger airplane. http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=89 When I went looking for views of the Sheraton from Dawn’s apartment, it struck me as quite odd that CIT would take up a camera position that obscures the Sheraton. Why would they do that? Attached to this post: VignolaSheratonView1.jpg (30.34 KB) Edited by YougeneDebs, May 29 2010, 06:27 AM.



shure	May 29 2010, 07:54 AM Post #30
Administrator Posts: 6,257 Group: Administrator Member #1 Joined: Feb 13, 2008	Dawn Vignola won't talk to anyone thanks to CIT.



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